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Originally Posted by Van D

The rest of who? Guys in bars/clubs?

I don't understand the distinction your are making between guys in bars and men in general. I go out to clubs/bars. I've never taken advantage of anyone, because other guys do does not make it ok.

Originally Posted by Van D

I'm just speaking from experience. I usually go out about 3 times a week.

That's how you formed your opinion.

Originally Posted by Van D

And the ladies who are wearing little clothing and happy to drink a lot (and make a scene of it) definitely get the most attention.

I have visited countries were women will hiss or throw stones at other women for exposing a hand or ankle.
Some of the ladies you are talking about may show poor taste in your opinion, but it's a free country.

Originally Posted by Van D

I'm not saying from me, i've no interest in girls like that, but they certainly attract a lot of attention from a lot of other guys.

Attracting a lot of attention from guys=I want to be/have no defence when/deserve to be, raped by guys?
Not you, but "other" guys have no control when confronted by "the ladies who are wearing little clothing and happy to drink a lot". The "very bad actions and consequences", that can come are the fault of the women.

Sorry to keep going on about it, but how does this attitude differ from Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali's. Remember the Sheik?. He was defending the actions of those pack rapists in Sydney. You may remember what the court thought of the idea the victims brought on the attacks themselves. And what all media and any right minded person thought of the Sheiks defence;

Originally Posted by Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali's

Because a woman possesses the weapon of seduction. It is she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us, dallying. It's she who shortens, raises and lowers. Then it's a look, then a smile, then a conversation, a greeting, then a conversation, then a date, then a meeting, then a crime, then Long Bay jail. (laughs).
'If I came across a rape crime – kidnap and violation of honour – I would discipline the man and order that the woman be arrested and jailed for life.' Why would you do this, Rafihi? He says because if she had not left the meat uncovered, the cat wouldn't have snatched it."

If you take a kilo of meat, and you don't put it in the fridge or in the pot or in the kitchen but you leave it on a plate in the backyard, and then you have a fight with the neighbour because his cats eat the meat, you're crazy. Isn't this true?

"If you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, is it the fault of the cat or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem.

I don't agree with you, the Sheik, or anyone else that blames a rape victim because they: choose to dress as they wish, enjoy a drink, or flirt with whomever they please. This is Australia 2007 not 1907. We are not some fundamentalist state living under Sharia law.

Just my opinion of course.