QLD..SECRET speed camera vehicles with no warning signs

[csv8]

SECRET speed camera vehicles with no warning signs, point-to-point speed cameras, alcohol ignition interlock devices and new speed traps will be part of Queensland's biggest road safety blitz next year.

Police will use undercover vehicles – in a variety of models, makes, ages and colours, with no advance warning or departure signs at the site – in an all-out bid to lower the state's shocking road toll, which is likely to reach 340 this year.

The State Government will reveal details of its new two-year Road Safety Action Plan today, including unprecedented measures aimed at cracking down on speeding and drink driving.

Premier Anna Bligh told The Sunday Mail it was clear the present speed and drink-driving messages were not getting through to some motorists.

She made no apology for resorting to sneaky, covert tactics to nab leadfoot drivers.

"Despite pleas from police, emergency personnel, road safety experts and even victims' families, a dangerous minority continue to ignore the road safety basics," Ms Bligh said.

"My message is simple: it's got to stop. These measures are about doing what we can to make that happen."

Among the tough new measures to be announced today:

• Point-to-point cameras, to catch motorists who slow down before a camera then speed up.

• Red-light cameras which also measure the car's speed.

• A third of mobile speed camera vehicles to be unmarked and undercover.

• A system of alcohol ignition interlock devices, which cost between $2000 and $3000, to be rolled out next year.

The Government will finally act on a three-year-old promise to force repeat drink-drivers to fit the alcohol ignition locks to their vehicles.

Offenders will be made to pay for the devices themselves, and the car will not start if the driver has been drinking.

They are used in Victoria, New South Wales, the Northern Territory and South Australia.

"International research shows that re-offences are reduced by 73 per cent when these alcohol interlockers are used," Ms Bligh said. "The bottom line is that means this scheme will save lives."

The Premier said the interlockers will be mandatory for offenders convicted of:

• Driving with a blood alcohol content of 0.15 or more.

• Failing to provide a specimen of breath or blood.

• Committing their second drink-driving offence within five years.

• Operating a vehicle dangerously while under the influence.

About 35 per cent of drink drivers booked in 2008-09 were repeat offenders.

Ms Bligh said point-to-point cameras had never been used in Queensland, but were a success overseas.

Two cameras, 1km or 2km apart, measure a vehicle's average speed.

Ms Bligh said all red-light cameras would be replaced by digital cameras that could also read the car's speed.

In most red-light offences, motorists have sped up across the intersection, and will now get at least two tickets.

There also will be new sites for red-light cameras.

Industry experts predict the digital cameras will produce an extra $80 million a year in revenue.

All the new measures were approved at the final Cabinet meeting of the year last week – but the cost of the road safety plan has yet to be worked out.

Police Minister Neil Roberts said introducing covert enforcement for speed would be a huge deterrent, as motorists would have no idea where or when they might be caught.

That old wreck parked on the side of the road might well be a mobile speed camera vehicle in 2010-11, he said.

"Cabinet approved a maximum of 30 per cent of mobile speed camera hours be undertaken using covert speed camera vehicles in a variety of models, makes and colours with no advance warning or departure signs at the camera site," Mr Roberts said.

"These reforms will increase the detection of motorists who speed or run red lights by improving the unpredictability and number of hours of enforcement conducted.

"You will be more likely than ever to get caught if you are speeding."

Police ran a road toll campaign this year, Below 299 in 2009, but a fatality in north Queensland yesterday raised the number of deaths to 315.

[SLO AU XR8]

As long as the vehucles used are under 5 yeats old the police are legal to use any cars. At least in QLD!

[UNR8D]

defenation of STUPID is to repeat the same mistake twice... Idioticy is to do it 3 times... bligh is an UTTER MORON.

how about putting the money from your speed cams into an education progam and defensive driver training program and watch your road toll drop, mandatory 5-10 year retesting to bring you up to scratch on new road laws and make sure you havent fallen prey to bad habbits.. OHH SORRY that dosent raise money does it...

I hate bligh with the power of a thousand suns... the best she could do is vapourise off the face of this earth tommorow.

[paule11]

Would be better to put the money into better roads and testing of drivers there are a lot of bad drivers out there maybe fix our roads. The alcohol testing I have no problem with.

I suppose she has to raise money some how she is selling of rail and ports so there will be no income from that and she will have to get money some how .

[Bucknaked]

I like the idea of the ignition locks. Thats a great idea.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

I like the idea of the ignition locks. Thats a great idea.

Until the day the car cannot be started and someone dies or severly crippled because they can't get to a hospital or whatever.

Not everyone lives in a city with ambulances or other services....

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by flappist

Until the day the car cannot be started and someone dies or severly crippled because they can't get to a hospital or whatever.

Not everyone lives in a city with ambulances or other services....

The number of the dead and severely crippled will only increase if someone whose had too much to drink gets behind the wheel...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

The number of the dead and severely crippled will only increase if someone whose had too much to drink gets behind the wheel...

Such a simple view.

1) Any interlock can be defeated by getting someone else (e.g. your kid) to blow through it.
2) Any interlock can be defeated just the same as any other piece of electronics.
3) If you are 0.051 and your kid has just been bitten by a brown snake and you do not take him to hospital HE WILL DIE, not maybe...

Interlocks are no different to speed limiters. Lock all cars to 50 max and no one speeds, ever.
Interlocks stop a car not a driver, if a person constantly drives in a very inebriated state they will not have a license and will not care about the law so how will a court order to fit an interlock to a car that much of the time is not even registered work?

I do get amazed at the constant naivety, particularly in younger drivers that a BAC of 0.051 is dangerous yet 0.049 is safe.

For years the limit was 0.15, why isn't every one dead?
Then the limit was 0.08, again why isn't everyone dead?

Just because the media repeat it over and over again does not make it true.

The problem we have is that the majority of senior police in QLD are uni grads who went straight into desk jobs at Makerston St and have little or no actual real world experience.
They ignore the recommendations from the rank and file on anything to do with road safety as they already have the answers, it is always speed and drink.
Why is that?
Because you can measure speed and BAC so it is easy to convict. It is very hard to measure fatigue, lack of driving skill or just plain stupidity.

These senior police advise public vegetables who advise the premier.
Why does the solution to all problems involve increased revenue?

QLD has 3 fixed speed cameras all with signage.
VIC has 1 bazzillion speed cameras, all hidden.

If speeding is the problem why are there any road deaths in VIC at all?

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by flappist

Such a simple view.

Did you care to read the post I made after that one....? XCPWSF was able to point out the flaw of the technology and did it without belittling me. Your post otherwise makes very valid points that I agree with.

[prydey]

red light cameras that detect speed as well have been operational in S.A for a few years now. surely s.a. isn't ahead of another state in something?

i'll probably get flamed for this as well, but i don't white understand the complaints on here. are all those complaining doing so because they admit they speed around and drive under the influence of alcohol?

i've driven the bruce, pacific, gateway, logan etc and i can tell you the speed zones are obviously for tourists. maybe thats why all you qlder's are so upset. you have to conform like the rest of the country and drive at the posted limit.

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by prydey

red light cameras that detect speed as well have been operational in S.A for a few years now. surely s.a. isn't ahead of another state in something?

i'll probably get flamed for this as well, but i don't white understand the complaints on here. are all those complaining doing so because they admit they speed around and drive under the influence of alcohol?

i've driven the bruce, pacific, gateway, logan etc and i can tell you the speed zones are obviously for tourists. maybe thats why all you qlder's are so upset. you have to conform like the rest of the country and drive at the posted limit.

The complaint here is as it is in any other state. These things do not reduce road toll. Simple. They just bankroll a selfish government off a percentage of stupid people. As it has been said education is the solution, NOT fining morons into oblivion.

[Swordsman88]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

The complaint here is as it is in any other state. These things do not reduce road toll. Simple. They just bankroll a selfish government off a percentage of stupid people. As it has been said education is the solution, NOT fining morons into oblivion.

110% agree...of course we are all beating a dead horse. The politicans are not really at fault niether, its the misinformed sheep-like populace that stick to this idea that speed is the only (let alone major) contributor to the road toll. It simply isn't. That is why the increased focus on speeding in the last 5-10 years has failed so dismally. Politicans know this but they keep on spinning the line because its 'too hard' to explain what the real problem is.

There are also some gov.funded 'research groups' that need a good kick up the behind for placating the government going along with this ludicrous line. Even the police are starting to get in on it, with 'questionable' reporting of speed as a factor in crashes it wasn't even the primary cause. I was involved in an accident in a 'low speed' suburban area not that long ago and i had to spend quite a bit of time repeatedly telling the investigating constable that while not looking at my speedo at the time of the accident (i'd rather be watching the road then thanks) i can gurantee i was not going over the speed limit. In fact i was almost certainly doing 10km/h less....and yes, it wasn't my fault! GRRR :

[Jeddak]

Well ,,they don't get any of my hard earned money ,

while it is not acceptable to some ,the easiest and cheapest way to "not pay the revenue" is.... don't speed.

its the same with random breath tests,if one does not like paying a fine or loosing that drivers license.....dont drink and drive

while this sounds like "giving in to the bastards" .I for one need my license for work, and while we live in a town small enough that you can walk from one side to the other in under a half hour,it would be rather difficult to lug my nearly half a ton of tools with me if the license was lost. and not to mention that to visit any of our kids and their families requires a minimum 380k drive ,one way.(there is no daily bus or passenger train out here either)

and having driven out west on these long lonely roads for thirty years now
and only collecting two speeding tickets (one for when the law changed the speed zone that had been in place for years.110 down to 100,I fired past the new sign and didn't see it ...BINGO!) I just don't see the need to save just a few minutes time over every one hour period. and run the risk of paying out dollars. (not to mention a rather severe crash into a cow or -roo because I was going too quick to dodge around them safely)

Keep in mind too ,revenue raising or not ,in a high speed crash ,its the cops and ambos , and fireies that have to clean up the mess and pack bits of bodies into bags, and these people SUFFER, so if you wont slow down for the money or the law do so for the emergency services .

speed doesn't kill .its the sudden stop that does it and the faster you go the stop is more jarring .

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Jeddak

Well ,,they don't get any of my hard earned money ,

while it is not acceptable to some ,the easiest and cheapest way to "not pay the revenue" is.... don't speed.

its the same with random breath tests,if one does not like paying a fine or loosing that drivers license.....dont drink and drive

while this sounds like "giving in to the bastards" .I for one need my license for work, and while we live in a town small enough that you can walk from one side to the other in under a half hour,it would be rather difficult to lug my nearly half a ton of tools with me if the license was lost. and not to mention that to visit any of our kids and their families requires a minimum 380k drive ,one way.(there is no daily bus or passenger train out here either)

and having driven out west on these long lonely roads for thirty years now
and only collecting two speeding tickets (one for when the law changed the speed zone that had been in place for years.110 down to 100,I fired past the new sign and didn't see it ...BINGO!) I just don't see the need to save just a few minutes time over every one hour period. and run the risk of paying out dollars. (not to mention a rather severe crash into a cow or -roo because I was going too quick to dodge around them safely)

Keep in mind too ,revenue raising or not ,in a high speed crash ,its the cops and ambos , and fireies that have to clean up the mess and pack bits of bodies into bags, and these people SUFFER, so if you wont slow down for the money or the law do so for the emergency services .

speed doesn't kill .its the sudden stop that does it and the faster you go the stop is more jarring .

Buy a horse and cart, 1hp at all 4 legs.

[Jeddak]

Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Buy a horse and cart, 1hp at all 4 legs.

After having grown up on a cattle station ,I can say with certainty that a horse is NOT the answer.......... im only a mechanic not a vet!!
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[UNR8D]

bucknaked.. I will agree on that point. but that just brings us in line with other states.

on the other idea's she can go jump.

[SSD-85]

x3 on the ignition locks, the only half decent idea in the list. The rest is just to make up for 3.1% payrise for QLD MP's.... :

I have actually already seen a number of unmarked police speed camera vans. Still can't fool me.

[fangq]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

x3 on the ignition locks, the only half decent idea in the list. The rest is just to make up for 3.1% payrise for QLD MP's.... :

I have actually already seen a number of unmarked police speed camera vans. Still can't fool me.

Anyone recall the promises made when the Gatsos were first introduced into QLD ?? All vehicles were to be sell signposted etc. Hansard would have the relevant debates..sigh
Steve

[GS608]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

x3 on the ignition locks, the only half decent idea in the list. The rest is just to make up for 3.1% payrise for QLD MP's.... :

I have actually already seen a number of unmarked police speed camera vans. Still can't fool me.

yep but the unmarked ones are still landcruisers, patrols, pajeros or vito vans. now they're going to be using ANYTHING as a camera car..absolute . running the state into even more debt

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

x3 on the ignition locks, the only half decent idea in the list. The rest is just to make up for 3.1% payrise for QLD MP's.... :

I have actually already seen a number of unmarked police speed camera vans. Still can't fool me.

Victoria has had these for ages, I know they're always in a 60 zone at Bulla or the 100km/h zone near my place ocasionally.

Also my aunty has an ignition lock on her car, after her 4th DUI she has to have it in all her cars, what happens is you blow into it, if it detects alcohol, the car wont turn on, if it doesn't the car starts up, from then on, every 5 minutes driving it beeps at you and you have to blow into it again or it completely shuts off the car. (Thats when you lose power steering/brakes and everything else).

What she does, is gets her daughter to blow into the unit so she can drive around tanked still. It doesn't work, believe me, she needs to go to jail to smarten the F up.

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Victoria has had these for ages, I know they're always in a 60 zone at Bulla or the 100km/h zone near my place ocasionally.

Also my aunty has an ignition lock on her car, after her 4th DUI she has to have it in all her cars, what happens is you blow into it, if it detects alcohol, the car wont turn on, if it doesn't the car starts up, from then on, every 5 minutes driving it beeps at you and you have to blow into it again or it completely shuts off the car. (Thats when you lose power steering/brakes and everything else).

What she does, is gets her daughter to blow into the unit so she can drive around tanked still. It doesn't work, believe me, she needs to go to jail to smarten the F up.

That's actually a very good point I failed to realise. Really do not like DDs :

[Gaz]

Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Victoria has had these for ages, I know they're always in a 60 zone at Bulla or the 100km/h zone near my place ocasionally.

Also my aunty has an ignition lock on her car, after her 4th DUI she has to have it in all her cars, what happens is you blow into it, if it detects alcohol, the car wont turn on, if it doesn't the car starts up, from then on, every 5 minutes driving it beeps at you and you have to blow into it again or it completely shuts off the car. (Thats when you lose power steering/brakes and everything else).

What she does, is gets her daughter to blow into the unit so she can drive around tanked still. It doesn't work, believe me, she needs to go to jail to smarten the F up.

Do us all a favour, next time your aunty gets behind the wheel tanked and her daughter is dumb enough to blow into it for her, call the cops and get them to cut her off - get her off the bloody road and get the book thrown at her daughter for allowing her to do it.

I know their family, but I wouldn't have any issues ratting her out and telling her to her face that you dobbed her in.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Gaz

Do us all a favour, next time your aunty gets behind the wheel tanked and her daughter is dumb enough to blow into it for her, call the cops and get them to cut her off - get her off the bloody road and get the book thrown at her daughter for allowing her to do it.

I know their family, but I wouldn't have any issues ratting her out and telling her to her face that you dobbed her in.

I've been tempted to multiple times as she causes a whole heap of crap and starts a lot of family fights, I'll also add she drives while under the influence of illicit drugs.

She has this crappy dark green 70s Commodore. She only "works" to afford her next drug hit. You'd think a woman in her mid 40s would eventually grow a brain, but obviously not.

[balthazarr]

Originally Posted by XCPWSF

Victoria has had these for ages, I know they're always in a 60 zone at Bulla or the 100km/h zone near my place ocasionally.

Also my aunty has an ignition lock on her car, after her 4th DUI she has to have it in all her cars, what happens is you blow into it, if it detects alcohol, the car wont turn on, if it doesn't the car starts up, from then on, every 5 minutes driving it beeps at you and you have to blow into it again or it completely shuts off the car. (Thats when you lose power steering/brakes and everything else).

What she does, is gets her daughter to blow into the unit so she can drive around tanked still. It doesn't work, believe me, she needs to go to jail to smarten the F up.

1. How smart are these interlocks? ie. What's to stop someone using a bike pump/fan/some-other-ingenious-contraption to fool the thing? Does it measure the temp/humidity of the air "breathed" in?

2. I can't believe it completely shuts off the car. Because that's safe... :

[XDV800]

For some reason this is how it sounded to me...

SECRET revenue camera vehicles with no warning signs, point-to-point revenue cameras, total moron ignition interlock devices and new revenue traps will be part of Nannylands biggest road revenue blitz next year and forever.

Bored Police will snooze in undercover vehicles – in a variety of Landcruisers, Patrols, Transits, Mercedes Sprinters, Volkswagen Transporters, Hyundai I-loads, etc, parked on the side of the road like always – in an all-out bid to lower the state's shocking $15 billion revenue shortfall, which is likely to need foolish speeders to top it up till 2085.

The State Laughing Stock will reveal details of its new two-year Road Revenue Raising Action Plan today, including unprecedented measures aimed at cracking down on everyday honest people and brainless toolbags. Everybody basicly. Drive a car and and we will be watching you.

Pirate Captain Bligh told The Sunday Fail it was clear the present revenue and drink-driving messages were not getting through to some minions.

She made no apology for resorting to sneaky, covert tactics to nab middle-income hardworking drivers. "It's all us politicians know how to do".

"Despite pleas from police, road revenue experts and even shareholders in revenue camera technology manufacturers, a dangerous majority continue to go about their daily grind without contributing to the road revenue slap in the face," Cpt Bligh said.

"My message is simple: it's got to stop. These measures are about doing what we can to make more plebs suffer in the hip pocket."

Among the so-called tough new measures to be announced today:

• Point-to-point cameras, to catch motorists who slow down before a camera and cause a pile-up of 15 cars behind them.

• Red-light cameras which also measure the car's speed so that a further revenue can be extracted.

• A third of mobile speed camera vehicles to be unmarked and undercover. Even though they are pretty much unmarked now until you get within snapping range

• A system of potential killer ignition interlock devices, which cost between $2000 and $3000, to be rolled out next year.

The Government will FINALLY act on a three-year-old promise to force repeat drink-drivers to fit the flaming idiot ignition locks to their vehicles.

Offenders will be made to pay for the devices themselves, and the car will not start if the driver has been drinking. This scheme is inspired, these are the types of people that deserve to pay for their negligence.

They are used in Victoria, New South Wales, the Northern Territory and South Australia, but they all got the idea from the U.S.

"International research shows that re-offences are reduced by 73 per cent when these drongo interlockers are used," Cpt Bligh burped. "The bottom line is that means this scheme will save lives."

The Pirate said the interlockers will be mandatory for offenders convicted of:

• Driving after 3+ stubbies in a row. Because thats not too much!

• Failing to provide a specimen of breath or blood.

• Committing their second drink-driving offence within five years.

• Operating a vehicle dangerously while munted.

About 35 per cent of drink drivers booked in 2008-09 were complete and utter brainless tit-rats.

Cpt Bligh said point-to-point cameras had never been used in Nannyland, but were raking it in overseas.

Two cameras, 1km or 2km apart, measure a vehicle's average speed. Thats all we're going to tell you.

Cpt Bligh said all red-light cameras would be replaced by digital cameras that could also read the car's speed.

In most red-light offences, motorists have sped up across the intersection, and will now get at least two tickets. Chu Ching.

There also will be new sites for red-light cameras. Wherever there isn't 1 already!

Industry experts predict the digital cameras will produce an extra $80 million a year in revenue. <*I didn't edit that 8)

All the new measures were approved at the final Cabinet meeting of the year last week – but the cost of the road safety plan has yet to be worked out. Just like any other plan the government rolls out. Just put it on tic.

Police Minister Neil Roberts said introducing covert enforcement for speed would be a huge money grab, as motorists would have no idea where or when they might be gouged.

That old wreck parked on the side of the road might well be a mobile speed camera vehicle in 2010-11, he said. Might just be a broken down Wicked van too but you'd all better slam on the brakes to 30 km/h below the limit just incase.

"Cabinet approved a maximum of 30 per cent of mobile speed camera hours be undertaken using covert speed camera vehicles in a variety of models, makes and colours with no advance warning or departure signs at the camera site," Mr Roberts said. "erm actually we don't use ADVANCE warning signs currently so thats a moot point."

"These reforms will increase revenue.

"You will be more likely than ever to get caught if you use your vehicles power."

Police ran a road toll campaign this year, Below 299 in 2009, but a fatality in north Queensland yesterday raised the number of deaths to 315. Whomever caused that needed to be educated better probably.

[UNR8D]

YZFR101 im going to buy you a beer for that... while your at it submit that to the sunday fail... being the utter morons they are, wont proof read it and because someone has done their job for them will probably just print it.

[Destroyer XR8]

Up here at the sunny coast i went past a unmarked merc sprinter on friday night i didnt notice it until a few seconds before i went past it, also the cops are starting to use manufacturer colour marked cars, i've seen all sort of colours in the fg xr6 turbo. The article says next year the crackdown will start but i bet you thet will send them out over christmas without a doubt.

[GS608]

Originally Posted by Destroyer XR6

Up here at the sunny coast i went past a unmarked merc sprinter on friday night i didnt notice it until a few seconds before i went past it, also the cops are starting to use manufacturer colour marked cars, i've seen all sort of colours in the fg xr6 turbo. The article says next year the crackdown will start but i bet you thet will send them out over christmas without a doubt.

ugh please dont go down the same road as NSW..those factory coloured cop cars look crap...white for gd and red for hwp please..they already have covert and unmarked

[SLO AU XR8]

Originally Posted by XR-CHIEF

ugh please dont go down the same road as NSW..those factory coloured cop cars look crap...white for gd and red for hwp please..they already have covert and unmarked

Too late, we have already got multicolour FG XR6T Marked cars

[kenz]

Originally Posted by Destroyer XR6

also the cops are starting to use manufacturer colour marked cars, i've seen all sort of colours in the fg xr6 turbo. .

Ive seen red, yellow, black, blue, green and purple lol Usually only around the highway exits or high speed roads though

Originally Posted by Scotty85

No, something far worse

far far far far far far far far far far far far worse lol