What defines a Hoon?

[SensationFG8]

With all this talk of crushing hoon cars etc I thought i'd throw the question out there. What would be the definition of a hoon?

Are they going to have powers to determine it on the spot and the car gets crushed no questions? If someone gets a bit of wheel spin taking off or if they accelerate a bit quick are they deemed a hoon?

Personally I think we need to be careful about the proceedure going forward. At this stage the police impound the car no questions asked no recourse to get it back. Take the mechanic in the lambo example. What if we had crush laws, does the owner lose his lambo?

I hope the government doesn't get into a knee jerk populist approach with any new laws the introduce and they think very carefully about how they implement this if they do. As a reasonably young person driving a nice shiny V8 I dont want some jealous cop crushing my car because I got to the speed limit a bit quick for his taste.

[chuckles]

i got pulled over a few months back because the cop said "you were using excessive acceleration which constitutes dangerous driving". Never got a fine but got a written warning. soon they will have cameras measuring how fast you accelerate from a set of lights and fine you for it

[aussie muscle]

That doesn't make sense. since when is acceleration dangerous, unless you get it sideways or something?

maybe they'll charge people for pollution if they smoke their tires?

[XBROO]

This is a really bad law as it's the police that decides, it should be a court matter. I mean I don't go around hooning, but every now and then I give the GT a sqirt from a set of light. Like nothing bad just first to second let off in 3rd which comes pretty natural for an old car. But this would be classed as hooning and then what? They crush an original XBGT. Then instead of being a traffic offender, I become a murderer because the way I feel about my car, I might lose it. Look I don't go around looking to race people or go to illegal burnouts or anything along those lines. I'm just a car enthusiast that only gets the car out for club runs, car shows and swap meets. I know they want to stop hooning but I think this is abit drastic. Unless your a repeat offender and you're just aren't getting it.

[ltd_on20s]

i wonder if anyone ever got a fine for riding a horse and cart too fast back in the day.....

[91'dSpecEB]

Have to agree this whole 'hoon' thing has been blown waay out of proportion. Its suicide being a P plate driver these days. Anything to nab you for something. I dont break the speed limit but i too enjoy getting to 50 or 60 a bit quick, sometimes your just in the mood, whats the big deal if your not going past the limit..?

[XBROO]

Agreed there no difference if you accelerate quickly to 60 from a set of lights, to if the light was already green and you come though at 60.

[91'dSpecEB]

Good point!

[TasXR6]

Unfortunately there is a law stating "excess acceleration" or driving for public display of acceleration. Like sustained loss of traction, they wont book you if you accidentally loose traction off the lights from being a bit dopey with the clutch, but if you rev it up and dump it and then hold the foot down to keep it going, your done. Same sort of thing goes for acceleration, if you take off and go to 60 quickly, your unlikely to get booked, but if you slam it to firewall, even if you dont break traction but it is clear you are flooring it, you could be booked.

In my experience as a last year P plater in tassie, the cops arent often truly unfair. Ive been pulled over once for speeding back when I was displaying P's, i was doing 104kmh and the officer had a chat to me about agreeing that 80 was a bit of a pain on a highway run, but 104 was excessive. He told me to continue on at a speed I thought was reasonable.

Also, I have been pulled up for spinning my wheels in the wet, when it let go i pushed a little further across the lights and let the one wheel wonder continue, right in front of an unmarked. He pulled me and asked what that was, and I said im sorry, i was being stupid and spun my wheels in the wet. He told me it was cause for a "sustained loss of traction" fine, but he said as i was straight up about deliberately being a dick, he wrote me a warning.

I dont see a problem if your not being a retread.

[SVTVNM]

Anyone who doesn't sit 10kays under the speed limt, and anyone who doesnt have a knitted blanket on the back seat.

[Zaxx]

Originally Posted by TasXR6

Unfortunately there is a law stating "excess acceleration" or driving for public display of acceleration. Like sustained loss of traction, they wont book you if you accidentally loose traction off the lights from being a bit dopey with the clutch, but if you rev it up and dump it and then hold the foot down to keep it going, your done. Same sort of thing goes for acceleration, if you take off and go to 60 quickly, your unlikely to get booked, but if you slam it to firewall, even if you dont break traction but it is clear you are flooring it, you could be booked.

In my experience as a last year P plater in tassie, the cops arent often truly unfair. Ive been pulled over once for speeding back when I was displaying P's, i was doing 104kmh and the officer had a chat to me about agreeing that 80 was a bit of a pain on a highway run, but 104 was excessive. He told me to continue on at a speed I thought was reasonable.

Also, I have been pulled up for spinning my wheels in the wet, when it let go i pushed a little further across the lights and let the one wheel wonder continue, right in front of an unmarked. He pulled me and asked what that was, and I said im sorry, i was being stupid and spun my wheels in the wet. He told me it was cause for a "sustained loss of traction" fine, but he said as i was straight up about deliberately being a dick, he wrote me a warning.

I dont see a problem if your not being a retread.

Lucky?

Maybe you were lucky to get a nice cop?

I can't see the problem with accelerating quick..

The way I see it there's a line. It's like, a hoon who will consistently smoke up at the lights, get the back out around corners, be idiots in traffic.
And then there are average joes like, most on this forum who drive sensibly, but don't mind giving it a little bit extra every now and then..

What's the harm?

[4Vman]

Its just a word guys... we make too much of it i think.

[mrbaxr6t]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Its just a word guys... we make too much of it i think.

yes it is just a word, but there are many others that can be used in a derogatory way that the swear filter doesn't like, this word has been made into a derogatory term by the media in the eyes of the public, yes its just a word but one that gets used in a derogatory way toward a specific group .. ring some bells?

what say we add it to the swear filter, it offends me

[Airmon]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Its just a word guys... we make too much of it i think.

A word which defines an illegal form of Behaviour. I think a clear definition is warranted given you can be fined for being one.

In NSW, while the term "Hoon" is not defined specifically, hoon behaviour is said to be "a driver who commits a street racing or aggravated burnout offence".
Street racing, which includes hard acceleration, even if you are the only car on the road at the time.

Basically a Hoon is whoever the Police at the time define it to be. It comes down to their judgement, so long as you are driving aggressively.

[burnz]

one "K" over the speed limit.
grandma letting one wheel slip on wet pedestrian crossing.
you looked sideways at the copper.
you have a big mack, while officer has only a 1/4 pounder.
you have a nice car.
govco valued your car while you were in the drive threw.

[Stattic]

Originally Posted by burnz

one "K" over the speed limit.
grandma letting one wheel slip on wet pedestrian crossing.
you looked sideways at the copper.
you have a big mack, while officer has only a 1/4 pounder.
you have a nice car.
govco valued your car while you were in the drive threw.

having p plates
having a recently washed car
having a loud stereo
having a couple of mates in the car
shoplifting
raising your voice
hacking government websites
having a pod filter
having a cannon exhaust

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Stattic

having p plates
having a recently washed car
having a loud stereo
having a couple of mates in the car
shoplifting
raising your voice
hacking government websites
having a pod filter
having a cannon exhaust

Throwing rocks at celebrities (Patty Newton) while on pushbikes.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertai...-1225701407394

PLEASE DONT CRUSH MY PUSHBIKE!!!

[GasoLane]

"What defines a Hoon?" Easy.......Whoosha

[gemini]

Its not only the police you have to worry about. Its people on the street that want to make trouble for you. I drive a 300zx. When I had my old Magna, I never had problems. When I sold it and got the Z, im getting evil looks from old people and had someone yell at me to slow down. I was doing 50 in a 60 ffs!

[Stattic]

Originally Posted by gemini

Its not only the police you have to worry about. Its people on the street that want to make trouble for you. I drive a 300zx. When I had my old Magna, I never had problems. When I sold it and got the Z, im getting evil looks from old people and had someone yell at me to slow down. I was doing 50 in a 60 ffs!

lol! That's gold!

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by gemini

Its not only the police you have to worry about. Its people on the street that want to make trouble for you. I drive a 300zx. When I had my old Magna, I never had problems. When I sold it and got the Z, im getting evil looks from old people and had someone yell at me to slow down. I was doing 50 in a 60 ffs!

Them things look like they are going fast even when they're standing still.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

With all this talk of crushing hoon cars etc I thought i'd throw the question out there. What would be the definition of a hoon?

........

Well it dates back to the 1930's in Oz and those people across the tasman. It then meant:

1. a procurer of prostitutes, but not a pimp
2.a showoff with limited intelligence
3.a flashy lout or hooligan
4. one who drives in a dangerous, showing-off manner

In the 80's it became:

1. exhibitionist, loutish behaviour.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Wally

Well it dates back to the 1930's in Oz and those people across the tasman. It then meant:

1. a procurer of prostitutes, but not a pimp
2.a showoff with limited intelligence
3.a flashy lout or hooligan
4. one who drives in a dangerous, showing-off manner

Did you ever get called a hoon back then Wally?

[auxr]

Handling
Option
Overdrive
Nanny

It's only a word, as has been previously mentioned.

[SensationFG8]

Originally Posted by auxr

Handling
Option
Overdrive
Nanny

It's only a word, as has been previously mentioned.

It may be "only a word" but if it is enshrined in law with very real consequences then it has effectively become more than that.

[just_pazz]

anyone who drives a modded vehicle....

[TasXR6]

Originally Posted by just_pazz

anyone who drives a modded vehicle....

Its almost percieved that way the general populace. I know around here (launceston, tas) there are quite a few modified cars (as a percentage of the total cars) and of which most come out at night. I too am guilty of going for a drive of an evening to meet some friends and have a chat in a car park. But mostly it is entertaining to watch the f-tards that will drive their old magna/pintara/pulsar/excel far more dangerously than the people with the "modified" cars.

And the police down here at least seem to realise that, as very often I have seen a clearly borderline modified car roll on by a squaddie, and a stock magna/pintara/pulsar/excel and often it is the latter that has been pulled.

Police around here seem to be pretty reasonable..

[Fairmont Man]

Hey guys, just wanted to add my 2 cents worth. To me there is a difference between a hoon or hooning and speeding. A hoon for me is someone who basically drives recklessly, such as throwing the car sideways around most corners, doing burnouts and donuts, excessive speeding in built up areas, zipping in and out of traffic and leaving every set of lights in a cloud of smoke. On the other hand, someone on a well made and maintained road such as the Hume Freeway, or sections of the Princes Highway, or other major highways who gets up to 130, 140, or maybe 150km/h, I wouldn't describe as a hoon. They are just speeding, plain and simple. I'd also think one to be far more dangerous than the other. I think you can be speeding as defined under the law without having the hoon element, but doubt that many hoons don't speed.

Just my point of view, and there sure is alot of debate on it at the moment.

[|||]

a hoon to me is someone who doesnt mind ripping a great skid but is also a top bloke who would help you move house or assemble a gazebo

[blueoval]

A hoon I think is based on a person or persons behaving in a manner that draws unnecessary attention to themselves while in ANY type of vehicle. Whether it be accelerating too fast, speeding, burnouts, stereos too loud or revving their engine unnecessarily, It is not and should never be about the vehicle.

A 'hoon' will demonstrate their behavior in what ever vehicle they want. It doesnt matter what brand, stock or modified. The 'person' whom is operating the vehicle at the time should be penalized.