A sad reminder - 5 die in M5 crash

gu4800 · 05-02-2008, 08:45 PM

Just a reminder that speed kills. 5 young men die, and everybody reads about it on the M5board (forum for BMW). He was a new member to their forum, and only just got his car.

A sick feeling - the 15th of January a member posts about possibly looking for an airstrip to do some LEGAL speed runs. The final post from the young driver involved in the crash was:

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AmericanM5 - I'm in

That post was made on the 26th of January - he died that night/early morning at an airstrip, taking 4 mates with him. Obviously couldn't wait for the planned event with other forum members and decided to go to an airstrip 12 miles from his home. It all ended in tragedy for 5 families.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=111545

XRQTOR · 05-02-2008, 08:49 PM

Is this the one where they ran out of run way flat stick, i saw the vid of the aftmath on another board if its the same one.

gu4800 · 05-02-2008, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Is this the one where they ran out of run way flat stick, i saw the vid of the aftmath on another board if its the same one.

Yep - tried to brake, but left it too late.

Werd. · 05-02-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Is this the one where they ran out of run way flat stick, i saw the vid of the aftmath on another board if its the same one.

No this is the one that happened 2 weeks ago.

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Nikked · 05-02-2008, 08:52 PM

the Strip was too short for what they were doing, silly it was, but still a tragic accident for all involved.

flappist · 05-02-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by gu4800

Just a reminder that speed kills. 5 young men die, and everybody reads about it on the M5board (forum for BMW). He was a new member to their forum, and only just got his car.

A sick feeling - the 15th of January a member posts about possibly looking for an airstrip to do some LEGAL speed runs. The final post from the young driver involved in the crash was:

That post was made on the 26th of January - he died that night/early morning at an airstrip, taking 4 mates with him. Obviously couldn't wait for the planned event with other forum members and decided to go to an airstrip 12 miles from his home. It all ended in tragedy for 5 families.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=111545

NO SPEED DOES NOT KILL.

Driving beyond your abilities and doing stupid things in stupid places kills.

It really worries me that so many are just following the propaganda and believe anything they see on TV like a bunch of sheep.

RG · 05-02-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

NO SPEED DOES NOT KILL.

Driving beyond your abilities and doing stupid things in stupid places kills.

It really worries me that so many are just following the propaganda and believe anything they see on TV like a bunch of sheep.

Correct, the fact he left the braking way too late and didn't have a clue what he was doing is what killed him and his mates.

XRQTOR · 05-02-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

NO SPEED DOES NOT KILL.

Driving beyond your abilities and doing stupid things in stupid places kills.

It really worries me that so many are just following the propaganda and believe anything they see on TV like a bunch of sheep.

Correct speed doesnt kill, the sudden stop at the end does. Some people really cant grasp just how much ground your covering at these speeds.

I saw an accident that most of you would have seen on the news in the past few weeks and the person who died never had any actual visable injuries but died shortly after from internal injuires.

fmc351 · 05-02-2008, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

NO SPEED DOES NOT KILL.

Driving beyond your abilities and doing stupid things in stupid places kills.

It really worries me that so many are just following the propaganda and believe anything they see on TV like a bunch of sheep.

Sheep? Buy yourself a mirror and maybe some shears.

Speed does kill, only an idiot assumes that those who make the statement 'speed kills' believe every time you go fast you die, that was never the message and your post clearly tries to attach that interpretation to it, that is propaganda. Red wine doesnt stain either, its the idiot who drops it, uh huh great logic in that. You wont die if you hit a wall at 10km/h in an M5, but chances sure as hell increase with speed until we reach a speed where its a certainty. Obviously speed kills. We've all seen motor racing, clearly we know you can go fast, in controlled conditions, with enough skill. The message is aimed at public roads.

The only reason you can say 'speed doesnt kill' is youre not dead. Same with the young lad in the M5, last week. At least this young kid had enough intelligence to do it off road.

Just a tragic waste of life.

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Originally Posted by BMX_datto

If he killed people old enough to know better, why were they in the car????

Because theyre under the delusion/misrepresentation speed doesnt kill.

Truth is, like many here, they dont know better, but as usual just cant be told even when its Police in their spare time on here, Ambulance drivers and any number of other people. These people have enthusiast blood in them, the people on here repeatedly posting the warning posts are not the bowls club brigade.

flappist · 06-02-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by fmc351

Sheep? Buy yourself a mirror and maybe some shears.

Speed does kill, only an idiot assumes that those who make the statement 'speed kills' believe every time you go fast you die, that was never the message and your post clearly tries to attach that interpretation to it, that is propaganda. Red wine doesnt stain either, its the idiot who drops it, uh huh great logic in that. You wont die if you hit a wall at 10km/h in an M5, but chances sure as hell increase with speed until we reach a speed where its a certainty. Obviously speed kills. We've all seen motor racing, clearly we know you can go fast, in controlled conditions, with enough skill. The message is aimed at public roads.

The only reason you can say 'speed doesnt kill' is youre not dead. Same with the young lad in the M5, last week. At least this young kid had enough intelligence to do it off road.

Just a tragic waste of life.

Because theyre under the delusion/misrepresentation speed doesnt kill.

Truth is, like many here, they dont know better, but as usual just cant be told even when its Police in their spare time on here, Ambulance drivers and any number of other people. These people have enthusiast blood in them, the people on here repeatedly posting the warning posts are not the bowls club brigade.

You appear to be confused.
I stated that this accident was caused by lack of ability and misjudgment, not SPEED KILLS.
You disagree and say that SPEED KILLS is true for public roads but not for other places under controlled conditions.

Well the accident happened on an airstrip, no corners, no other traffic, which are fairly controlled conditions.
The only thing missing was the skill and experience necessary to do exactly what has been done dozens of times in magazine tests at avalon.

This is a tragedy but should be used as an example. Just because you have a high powered modded car does not mean that you know how to drive it.

FordACE · 06-02-2008, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

You appear to be confused.
I stated that this accident was caused by lack of ability and misjudgment, not SPEED KILLS.
You disagree and say that SPEED KILLS is true for public roads but not for other places under controlled conditions.

Well the accident happened on an airstrip, no corners, no other traffic, which are fairly controlled conditions.
The only thing missing was the skill and experience necessary to do exactly what has been done dozens of times in magazine tests at avalon.

This is a tragedy but should be used as an example. Just because you have a high powered modded car does not mean that you know how to drive it.

I think most people aren't quite understanding what you're saying flappist. I actually totally agree with you. In practice it is the speed that kills (i.e the sudden stop), but what is actually killing is the ignorance of people and their rapidly decaying skill levels on our poorly maintained (what the government calls) roads.

gtfpv · 06-02-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by FordACE

I think most people aren't quite understanding what you're saying flappist. I actually totally agree with you. In practice it is the speed that kills (i.e the sudden stop), but what is actually killing is the ignorance of people and their rapidly decaying skill levels on our poorly maintained (what the government calls) roads.

humans arent machines, and skill levels of humans have limits . average skill levels are low .

troppo · 06-02-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by FordACE

In practice it is the speed that kills (i.e the sudden stop)

Personally, I think the confusion lies in thinking these two things are the same...a rapid change in speed is very hazardous to one's health (acceleration or deceleration) but speed is not.

gtfpv · 06-02-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

NO SPEED DOES NOT KILL.

Driving beyond your abilities and doing stupid things in stupid places kills.

It really worries me that so many are just following the propaganda and believe anything they see on TV like a bunch of sheep.

i'm pretty sure that the speed he hit the windsrceen at, or the speed that his body tried to break through the seatbelt, would've had a direct relation to his death . FLAPPIST GET OVER THIS SPEED DOESN'T KILL CRAP, with little technicality theories . it does young people no good reading this sort of rubbish.

JC · 06-02-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

NO SPEED DOES NOT KILL.

Driving beyond your abilities and doing stupid things in stupid places kills.

It really worries me that so many are just following the propaganda and believe anything they see on TV like a bunch of sheep.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

I agree with this statement 1000000000%

Speed is a calculation of Distance over time. If speed killed, then anyone not at rest would die immeditely they tried to move.

Inappropriate Speed kills - whether it be because of weather conditions, driver (in)ability, mechanical failure etc. And technicaly, it's usually the impact that does the killing, and the vehicle's velocity (speed) may be a contributing factor into the reason the impact occurred.

FordACE · 06-02-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Nail. Hammer. Head.

I agree with this statement 1000000000%

Speed is a calculation of Distance over time. If speed killed, then anyone not at rest would die immeditely they tried to move.

Inappropriate Speed kills - whether it be because of weather conditions, driver (in)ability, mechanical failure etc. And technicaly, it's usually the impact that does the killing, and the vehicle's velocity (speed) may be a contributing factor into the reason the impact occurred.

This is 100% on the ball.

XRQTOR · 06-02-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Nail. Hammer. Head.

I agree with this statement 1000000000%

Speed is a calculation of Distance over time. If speed killed, then anyone not at rest would die immeditely they tried to move.

Inappropriate Speed kills - whether it be because of weather conditions, driver (in)ability, mechanical failure etc. And technicaly, it's usually the impact that does the killing, and the vehicle's velocity (speed) may be a contributing factor into the reason the impact occurred.

I was just about to put it into as basic form as possible and you have done it already. It's kinda basic really......

TheSneakiness · 07-02-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Nail. Hammer. Head.

I agree with this statement 1000000000%

Speed is a calculation of Distance over time. If speed killed, then anyone not at rest would die immeditely they tried to move.

Inappropriate Speed kills - whether it be because of weather conditions, driver (in)ability, mechanical failure etc. And technicaly, it's usually the impact that does the killing, and the vehicle's velocity (speed) may be a contributing factor into the reason the impact occurred.

Was just gonna post something like if you drive along at 80km/h shouldn't you drop dead if speed killed, but this is a better way of putting it.

Falc'man · 07-02-2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by flappist

NO SPEED DOES NOT KILL.

Driving beyond your abilities and doing stupid things in stupid places kills.

It really worries me that so many are just following the propaganda and believe anything they see on TV like a bunch of sheep.

Spot on.

Commiserations to the families involved. Yes, it should be a lesson to all the
young out there, learn to drive at high speed in the proper environment!

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Originally Posted by FordACE

Just remember, at 80 km's hr if you hit a pole your going to die. So theoretically speed does kill and we should all travel below this speed to ensure that our lives are not wasted so tragically by speed.

Speed required to kill someone is 50km/h.

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Originally Posted by FordACE

All that I'm trying to get at is that the government needs to put in more effort into driver training.

But... that would cost them money. They don't have money. They should put
speed cameras up on every corner and use the revenue to... err...

"Speed Kills." It makes me feel better every time I pay a speeding ticket that I
never killed myself when "speeding" 15km/h and under at the time.

fmc351 · 07-02-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

"Speed Kills." It makes me feel better every time I pay a speeding ticket that I
never killed myself when "speeding" 15km/h and under at the time.

Make sure to log in and tell us what you feel if it does kill you.

Makes as much sense as yours.

The young lad in question could have made your exact post right up till he crashed.

XR6Dan · 05-02-2008, 09:16 PM

That is so very tragic.

||| · 05-02-2008, 09:19 PM

1) he "borrowed" his fathers car without permission

2) he broke into a private airstrip

3) he killed himself and people who were old enough to know better

waste of a nice car

more of the story & pics here:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4198416&page=1

**Stav** · 05-02-2008, 09:45 PM

Thats just a tragic loss..:(

XCSEDAN · 05-02-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by |||

1) he "borrowed" his fathers car without permission

2) he broke into a private airstrip

3) he killed himself and people who were old enough to know better

waste of a nice car

more of the story & pics here:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4198416&page=1

show some god damn respect. people like you drive me me up the wall, the kid is dead for christs sake.
have you been so god damn perfect in your life!? NEVER MADE A MISTAKE!???
yes what he did was wrong, big friggen deal. do you make stupid posts like that just to make people angry?????????????

XplosiveR6 · 05-02-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by XCSEDAN

show some god damn respect. people like you drive me me up the wall, the kid is dead for christs sake.
have you been so god damn perfect in your life!? NEVER MADE A MISTAKE!???
yes what he did was wrong, big friggen deal. do you make stupid posts like that just to make people angry?????????????

Him killing 4 innocent people Isn't enough of a big deal for you? why should we show respect for him.

FlipXW · 05-02-2008, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Him killing 4 innocent people Isn't enough of a big deal for you? why should we show respect for him.

Im sure those other 4 people knew exactly what the were doing aswell. Its not like he forced them to come along. Its just an absolutely tragic situation :(.

P.S. Dont think for a second im defending his actions, because im definetly not.

XCSEDAN · 05-02-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XplosiveR6

Him killing 4 innocent people Isn't enough of a big deal for you? why should we show respect for him.

that is a big deal, but, the people in the car cannot have been that ignorant to be thinking "hey doing a speed run at 3am on a runway in an M5 is a smart and safe idea"
i beleive the blame is partly lays within them. not more then about 30% but still... they must have been out of there minds if they thought doing that was safe....

Shaggzy · 05-02-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by |||

3) he killed himself and people who were old enough to know better

If he killed people old enough to know better, why were they in the car????

nommic · 05-02-2008, 09:39 PM

The kid was a moron.

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=111454

That's him asking about all the transmission settings on the M5, and admitting that he has little experience with high performance cars. Basically that thread is him trying to get people to tell him how to use the car.

DoreSlamR · 05-02-2008, 09:44 PM

In the 1900's they thought speed could kill you....could tear the flesh off the bone..In those motorized contraptions without horses.

Ahh how far we've come