New "hoon" catagory.

[4Vman]

The media have come up with a new hoon category: the "midlife crisis" hoon....
Apparently 150 were caught in Vic last year......
3000 "hoons" were caught in total last year leaving the other 2850 to the U25 yo "young hoon" category..!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...18/2468545.htm

[GT0132]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

The media have come up with a new hoon category: the "midlife crisis" hoon....
Apparently 200 were caught in Vic last year......

Ahhhhhh so it's not just me then....I thought I was going crazy

[Nikked]

Is there a pensioner hoon category as well?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Is there a pensioner hoon category as well?

They're the ones doing 40 under, not 40 over...

[b0son]

"These are mature, sensible people, one would think, but they are putting themselves at risk and other road users at risk."

If these are such mature and sensible people, why do they make up a fair slab of DUI convictions?

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by b0son

"These are mature, sensible people, one would think, but they are putting themselves at risk and other road users at risk."

If these are such mature and sensible people, why do they make up a fair slab of DUI convictions?

Is that a play on words or do you have some kind evidence to back that up??!!

[b0son]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Is that a play on words or do you have some kind evidence to back that up??!!

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by b0son

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

perhaps . it's a good thing they are too old to know how to txt as well. like the other 80%

[schnoods]

Originally Posted by b0son

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/jsp/conten...ull&pageID=164

31% were between 21 and 29 years of age,
32% were aged between 30 and 39 years, 19% were aged over 40,
and the remaining 18% were 20 years of age or younger

Now if you take the above info, from 21-39 year olds account for 63 percent over a 18 year period, where as the over 40 crowd (which could apply to a 90 year old) accounted for only 19 percent which is similar to the under 20 crowd, unfortunately it is only a 3 year span there, unless they are underage drinking and driving...



Interesting graph as well on page 4-5 with high blood alcohol readings and drink driving offences.

http://www.monash.edu.au/cemo/roadsa...ndsexsmall.pdf

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by b0son

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

Not quite right.... there was no upper limit on the 40+ age group.
But around 50% were in the 18 - 29 age group!

[FalconXR6]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Not quite right.... there was no upper limit on the 40+ age group.
But around 50% were in the 18 - 29 age group!

What's this obsession with age?
Why are people always pulling out age statistics?
Whether it be speeding, accidents, drinking, etc - age is always categorised.

To the people over 40 pointing the finger at the younger generation and shaking their heads; are you people not the parents of the children / adults in this age group? Something to think about...

Screw age stats - their as meaningless as "speed" as a factor in an accident.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Not quite right.... there was no upper limit on the 40+ age group.

I looked at a different set of stats, where the DUI charges were broken down by individual ages. 40-60 were around 20% (give or take). 60+ is <<5%

[buickman]

Originally Posted by b0son

around 20% of drink drivers are in the 40-60 age group.

I’m in that age group and going back to the 1970’s we used to help friends into their cars to drive home knowing they were intoxicated .

Law enforcement’ was not as we know it with breath testing stations you just took the chance that a police car was not following you.
Most of us grew out of that stupidity thank goodness

But the ones that continued to do it and survive into middle age have not learnt even with current law enforcements in place and because of their history and lifestyle they show up more so than a lot of other age groups in drink driving

[FPV+fteT3]

Just got home from hooning turn on the computer great to see I have a category now! oh well must go out and get the excess rubber out from under the guards and off rear quarters......lol

[Burnout]

OMG, I've been tagged with a new moniker! :

[shane3]

Originally Posted by b0son

"These are mature, sensible people, one would think, but they are putting themselves at risk and other road users at risk."

If these are such mature and sensible people, why do they make up a fair slab of DUI convictions?

Oh please!!!!!!! these are only the people that the cops actually catch, tonight on the Monash I had a little old grey haired lady in the middle lane doing 60 when every one else was doing 100, now tell me that that isn't dangerous, that can be considered as dangerous driving and falls into the "Hoon" act.

And just because your older doesn't mean you have to grow up!!

Stats taken from a Vic police web site on Hoon laws and offenses

Hoon statistics

Types of offenses committed

Offense Number (per cent)

Careless driving, 3 per cent, (changing lanes with out indicating or failing to do an over the shoulder check falls into this)

Conduct, engage in race, speed trial, 0.9 per cent (only 270 people court "racing")

Court order, past offense, 0.5 per cent

Drive while disqualified, 5 per cent, (just because you don't have a license doesn't mean you can't drive, just means don't get court!!!)

Excessive speed, 39.3 per cent, (Now this can be from 5 KM/H and above the posted speed limit)

Failure to have proper control, O.7 per cent (chirping the wheels also counts, sliding in the wet aswell)

Improper use of motor vehicle, 48.4 per cent (can be any thing the cops like it to be)

Speed or drive in a dangerous manner, 1.3 per cent

Smoke or undue noise, 0.3 per cent (a loud exhaust falls into this section)

[Falc'man]

1433 police officers fined for speeding
What hope do we have when those responsible for up-holding/enforcing the law can't get it right?

[ea90gl]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

1433 police officers fined for speeding
What hope do we have when those responsible for up-holding/enforcing the law can't get it right?

Doesnt surprise me at all, last night while dropping a mate off at his place we were chugging along at 60 in a 60 zone, while I checked my rear view mirror I notice some bike lights approaching gaining on me. Next thing I know this cop on a bike passes us and in the distance of about 5km through the 60 zone he ended up being way infront of us. Must of been doing at least 70km/h. No way he was heading to any callout/scene otherwise it would of been all out or nothing. Funnily enough we see the single brake light turn right a number of intersections up heading to that areas police station. I say practice what you preach otherwise stop feeding us this "speeding is the devil's act and will definately cause you to kill thousands of families" crap

[Turbotory]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

1433 police officers fined for speeding
What hope do we have when those responsible for up-holding/enforcing the law can't get it right?

Just had a peek... the last couple of lines brought it home.

"Cumming was banned from driving for a year for speeding in a police car at 202km/h on the F6 twice in January, 2006. There was no pursuit underway."

"Cumming pleaded guilty to two counts of exceeding the speed limit by more than 45km/h - but remains on the force."

And they have the audacity to berate us

[itchy brother]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

1433 police officers fined for speeding
What hope do we have when those responsible for up-holding/enforcing the law can't get it right?

Law Hoons!! :hihi: :hihi:
They are properly trained to hoon around!

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

1433 police officers fined for speeding
What hope do we have when those responsible for up-holding/enforcing the law can't get it right?

hmm i remember laminge shutting my thread down when i posted that

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread....highlight=1433

i mean really it just goes to prove that they dont believe in that speed kills crap anymore then we do, they are just paid to uphold some arbitary law made by some guy who gets chaufferred around everywhere.

[bigev]

It'd be helpful if the Vic government wasn't trying to change the common perception of what a hoon is.

If you asked a few years back if someone doing 40k's over the limit was a hoon, the answer no doubt would have been no.

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by bigev

It'd be helpful if the Vic government wasn't trying to change the common perception of what a hoon is.

If you asked a few years back if someone doing 40k's over the limit was a hoon, the answer no doubt would have been no.

Yes. To me hooning, blatant rule breaking, and stupidity are totally different things. One is harmless and the others are obvious.

The media, the state government and their puppets (police chiefs) these days put it all in the one basket.

And those that are a real problem on the roads, who are outside this 'hoon' definition, continue to be ignored.

[Rev28K]

Getting grey hair - tick
Every car owned has seen a racetrack - tick
Current address has more parking spaces then bedrooms - tick
Believe that current policing on roads is misguided - tick
Way too much time & money spent on cars - tick
Still daydreams about modifications and the stinking hot PRB clubman I'd get if I won tattslotto - tick

Woohoo - I'm a middle aged hoon!

[burnz]

the older i get the more i hate a police state, every road with a price tag (tolls)

or maybe i'm just a grumpy old man.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by burnz

the older i get the more i hate a police state, every road with a price tag (tolls)

or maybe i'm just a grumpy old man.

You are not alone in your antipathy. It seems we can't escape the daily grind of the print media castigating us mere mortals for not being as servile as the politicians in their grip.

We are supposed to be inspired by road toll counts as if it's the score at a cricket match, we are supposed to feel a guilt and get chided if we suggest the fault may lay with people being allowed to buy a missile on wheels that is inherently and universally unsafe; the beige brigade' who demand "off with their heads" for every misdemeanour spend their entire lives inside the safety circle and eventually expire without ever being more than a drone.

I marched in the sixties for social freedoms, but now I'm old enough to be a legitimate grump I wish I never did, because somewhere along the line we lost a lot more ground than when we started, not that people under 40 would know what it's like without a social conditioning nanny state interfering in every aspect of their lives.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by Wally

You are not alone in your antipathy. It seems we can't escape the daily grind of the print media castigating us mere mortals for not being as servile as the politicians in their grip.

We are supposed to be inspired by road toll counts as if it's the score at a cricket match, we are supposed to feel a guilt and get chided if we suggest the fault may lay with people being allowed to buy a missile on wheels that is inherently and universally unsafe; the beige brigade' who demand "off with their heads" for every misdemeanour spend their entire lives inside the safety circle and eventually expire without ever being more than a drone.

I marched in the sixties for social freedoms, but now I'm old enough to be a legitimate grump I wish I never did, because somewhere along the line we lost a lot more ground than when we started, not that people under 40 would know what it's like without a social conditioning nanny state interfering in every aspect of their lives.

I honestly don't feel that the general media are "anti" performance vehicles or car enthusiasts 1 bit... nor are they overly biased against any demographic that can't be supported via evidence...
There might be isolated segments that are anti anything but the overwhelming feeling i get is they're "against" anti social driving habits.. not the cars.
The fact that they're highlighting an over 40 "hoon" category suggests to me anyone's fair game if they stick their head out.

[Wally]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

I honestly don't feel that the general media are "anti" performance vehicles or car enthusiasts 1 bit... nor are they overly biased against any demographic that can't be supported via evidence...
There might be isolated segments that are anti anything but the overwhelming feeling i get is they're "against" anti social driving habits.. not the cars.
The fact that they're highlighting an over 40 "hoon" category suggests to me anyone's fair game if they stick their head out.

I don't think they are anti performance either, but there have been significant editorials to suggest that once out of their cars and behind a keyboard, the editors become disassociated with general population and push for social engineering, balanced by individual rights tokenism.

I don't know why the press feel it's their warrant to set the agenda for social consciousness and why they have to play the police, hospital, hooning,etc cards everytime there's an election looming or they want to tip out a minister without being seen as pernicious. In the case of them promoting the enfranchisement of the police force we now have a situation in Qld where the govt is empowering the officers to be judge, jury and executioner on matters that have traditionally been serious enough for judicial oversight.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Wally

I don't think they are anti performance either, but there have been significant editorials to suggest that once out of their cars and behind a keyboard, the editors become disassociated with general population and push for social engineering, balanced by individual rights tokenism.

I don't know why the press feel it's their warrant to set the agenda for social consciousness and why they have to play the police, hospital, hooning,etc cards everytime there's an election looming or they want to tip out a minister without being seen as pernicious. In the case of them promoting the enfranchisement of the police force we now have a situation in Qld where the govt is empowering the officers to be judge, jury and executioner on matters that have traditionally been serious enough for judicial oversight.

The media have an agenda pure and simple, the want to postion the public and have turned journalism into a joke. Australia doesn't really have a free media anymore. They need to keep the readers and make a profit. Unfortunatly this is what you get when you allow two comapnies to own all media outlets in the country. ABC is an exception but they are pushing an agenda as well.

[gtfpv]

i once new a pregnent , schizzo diabetic smoker who was always angry and telling her husband chores to do by txt on the way home from work , she had 2 jobs and often went for a glass of champaigne after work, because she was pregnant her blood pressure was high , so she took medication for that too, should 've seen her in peek hour busting for a squirt, the m5 tunnel always played up with her asthma , she' had puffers in the car every where . good thing she gave up the partying to have the baby though! never new her to drive fast.