Changes the Victorian driving laws.

[vztrt]

Just so Victorian drivers know the new rules.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/ne...0827-f16k.html

New laws to crack down on distracted drivers
Clay Lucas and Barry Park
August 28, 2009

WHEN your parking meter runs out, do you like to grab the space next to it if it's free?

When you drive, do you sometimes talk on your mobile phone with it sitting in your lap and switched to loudspeaker?

Or does your dog occasionally sit on your lap while you drive?

All this, and much more, will become illegal under new road laws to be introduced in November.

Under the laws, announced by Roads Minister Tim Pallas yesterday, drivers will for the first time be fined $234 and lose three demerit points if any of their passengers are not wearing a seatbelt.

The current seatbelt laws specify that drivers are liable for penalties only if passengers not wearing a seatbelt are aged under 16.

The laws also make it compulsory for children to be in a child restraint until age seven. Infants must be in a capsule until six months of age.

And laws governing mobile phone use while driving - responsible for many serious accidents and deaths each year - will be tightened dramatically.

A driver is four times more likely to crash while using a mobile phone. Already, more than 40,000 drivers a year are fined for using a mobile phone, ranking it among the state's top three driving offences.

Under the changes, mobile phone use while driving will only be permitted if the phone is in a commercially designed holder and the driver does not need to touch any part of the phone to receive a call (by using bluetooth or a similar technology).

Even holding a mobile phone - whether or not engaged in a phone call - will now be prohibited. Holding a phone, the new laws specify, include a driver resting it on their lap.

Drivers who flout the mobile phone laws will also risk a $234 fine and three demerit points.

Other changes to the road safety laws are designed to minimise driver distractions, such as from portable music players and satellite navigation systems.

And drivers must show even more care when passing a tram: currently, road rules state only that a car must not pass the rear of a tram if a pedestrian is crossing.

Now, if a tram is stopped at a tram stop, a car must stop too - regardless of whether they can see a person crossing the road to get on or off the tram.

Parking laws have also been reviewed, in a move that will please councils reliant on revenue from fines.

A driver who moves their car to another parking spot must now move it off the length of road, or out of the area to which a parking sign applies.

This means a motorist who moves their car to an adjacent parking spot once their time has run out would be liable for a fine.

For skateboarders or those who ride a foot-propelled scooter, there are changes too.

Skateboards must not be used on roads at night - VicRoads says this is dangerous because skaters are so difficult to see - and wearing a helmet will now be compulsory for scooter riders.

Motorcyclists will also have to contend with new laws that raise the minimum age of a passenger to eight.

And motorbike riders will no longer be allowed to have an animal sitting on the fuel tank.

One exception to this, said VicRoads director of road user safety David Shelton, was if a motorcyclist had a legitimate use for the animal, such as a dog on a farm. However, no such exceptions will apply to a car driver who allows a dog between them and the steering wheel.

''Those days will be well and truly over,'' Mr Shelton said.

The RACV's chief engineer, Peter Daly, said the improvements to road rules were crucial to stop deaths and serious injuries on the roads.

"The issue at the core of these changes is driver distraction and it must be addressed if we are to reduce crashes on our roads,'' he said.

The new laws will come into force on November 9.

[chevypower]

Are you allowed to breathe while you drive? Or is this kind of multi-tasking too dangerous?

[73XBGT]

They have to catch me doing any of those things first! :

[ILLaViTaR]

Man any driving law and more so these makes no sense when applied to how things actually work in the real world.

I cbf elaborating but if someone finds it necessary then I will.

[WOTDAH]

Looking at my speedo every 5 seconds is kind of a distracion.

[Teflon Turbo]

they can have public executions, beheading, stoning for breaking road rules and it wouldn't phase me one little tiny bit.

me personally, i just don't mess with road rules in this day and age, with technology, hoonlines and the like, it's just not worth it.

besides, i have to set an example for my kids especially my son (15), otherwise they are gonna end up mince meat on our roads.

times change, rules change we need to change.

[RG]

Originally Posted by Teflon Turbo

they can have public executions, beheading, stoning for breaking road rules and it wouldn't phase me one little tiny bit.

me personally, i just don't mess with road rules in this day and age, with technology, hoonlines and the like, it's just not worth it.

besides, i have to set an example for my kids especially my son (15), otherwise they are gonna end up mince meat on our roads.

times change, rules change we need to change.

Fair enough but there is a limit to how far they can nanny people before the people turn around and say 'enough'.

What's next, no listening to music or talking whilst driving?

[ltd_on20s]

Originally Posted by RG

Fair enough but there is a limit to how far they can nanny people before the people turn around and say 'enough'.

What's next, no listening to music or talking whilst driving?

no talking or looking in your mirrors.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by RG

Fair enough but there is a limit to how far they can nanny people before the people turn around and say 'enough'.

What's next, no listening to music or talking whilst driving?

What about no sneezing? Driving whilst suffering from hayfever can be pretty dangerous.

[RG]

Originally Posted by Cobra

What about no sneezing? Driving whilst suffering from hayfever can be pretty dangerous.

Probably more dangerous than having a mobile phone sitting on your lap...

How about iPhone's? do they count? Are people allowed to change songs?

[Wally]

Will truckies, cabbies and coppers be able to use their CBs?

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by RG

Probably more dangerous than having a mobile phone sitting on your lap...

How about iPhone's? do they count? Are people allowed to change songs?

My guess is that would come down to the individiual officers discretion. I would say that the operative word used is phone, then they would argue on the grounds that it's a phone, even if it was not being used for the purpose in which a phone was intended. As dumb as it sounds, I would say that if you are using an Ipod on the other hand, which is purely an MP3 player and not a phone, then by the letter of the law you should get off...

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by RG

What's next, no listening to music or talking whilst driving?

would't be surprised with this government

[POELWYK]

this is just to make more $$$ thats all

[flappist]

However all this time spent not doing "dangerous" things can be spent thinking about who you are going to replace these idiots with at the next election.......

[Powdered Toast Man]

I already thought most of these were laws anyway. I talk on my phone with it in my lap or holding it in my hand while using the loudspeaker and I actually thought it was illegal. I refuse to blemish my dash by sticking a phone holder on it.

Things like having a pet on your lap while driving is down right dangerous anyway!!

But when will changing CDs or even just the radio station on your car radio become illegal at this rate.... That's a distraction. They can go a bit over the top sometimes.

[platinumXR]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

I already thought most of these were laws anyway. I talk on my phone with it in my lap or holding it in my hand while using the loudspeaker and I actually thought it was illegal.

If you are not touching it, it is hands free...loudspeaker or not.

Although Blue Ant and many others sell Bluetooth accessories for much less than the cost of a Drive Using Hand Held Mobile Phone ticket...

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

But when will changing CDs or even just the radio station on your car radio become illegal at this rate.... That's a distraction. They can go a bit over the top sometimes.

+1 Complely agree with u, there is about 20 items i can think of that are distractions from car driving i just can't belive the government go shaight to the mobiles Phones and blame them shaight away.


Anyway i honestly don't care about these Pathic rules i'm still using my gps no matter what , i'll just would't like at it.

[Fev]

some of those laws arent too bad actually - the parking one's a bit dodgy. Rangers gonna get a nice boost in their quota!

[MAD]

Other changes to the road safety laws are designed to minimise driver distractions, such as from portable music players and satellite navigation systems.

Looks like mp3 players don't get left out.
I wonder what changes there are for these two devices.

[Auslandau]

Parking laws have also been reviewed, in a move that will please councils reliant on revenue from fines.

A driver who moves their car to another parking spot must now move it off the length of road, or out of the area to which a parking sign applies.

This means a motorist who moves their car to an adjacent parking spot once their time has run out would be liable for a fine.

Now this one is just stupid! If a car is moved to another car parking spot, obviously spaces are available for everyone to use. How many fatalities will this prevent? Councils will love it!



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[platinumXR]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Now this one is just stupid! If a car is moved to another car parking spot, obviously spaces are available for everyone to use. How many fatalities will this prevent? Councils will love it!

Yeah, I have to say this one is goofy.

I see that they enforce this stuff so that everyone can have a fair crack at a parking space...but yes this one is overboard.

[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Now this one is just stupid! If a car is moved to another car parking spot, obviously spaces are available for everyone to use. How many fatalities will this prevent? Councils will love it!

I dont think the parking regs in inner city areas are anything to do with preventing fatalities?, but willing to be corrected on this issue.

Why will councils love it?
There will be fools that move their car one spot away when they know its against the regs? for a short time anyway.

Of course it is a good law, it stops people monopolising the parks, they are there to provide short term access for iternary workers, shoppers, visitors to businesses etc, not all day parking for office workers.

Yeh, Ive seen it, workers from one institution grabbing a whole lot of spots early in the morning, then they then just go and change spots with each other when the meter runs out, allowing that to happen is stupid!

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by torbirdie

I dont think the parking regs in inner city areas are anything to do with preventing fatalities?, but willing to be corrected on this issue.

Why will councils love it?
There will be fools that move their car one spot away when they know its against the regs? for a short time anyway.

Of course it is a good law, it stops people monopolising the parks, they are there to provide short term access for iternary workers, shoppers, visitors to businesses etc, not all day parking for office workers.

Yeh, Ive seen it, workers from one institution grabbing a whole lot of spots early in the morning, then they then just go and change spots with each other when the meter runs out, allowing that to happen is stupid!

Tad sarcastic about the fatality bit .....

My point was ........ IF you can move your car to another spot after your time has run out, obviously there was other spots available.

I have no problems for time limits and restrictions on parking areas that are in short supply ..... but in MANY cases, they are just a slush fund for (obsolete) councils.



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[torbirdie]

Originally Posted by auslandau

My point was ........ IF you can move your car to another spot after your time has run out, obviously there was other spots available.
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You dont think I can read? and did you read what I had to say about people who basically parking in restricted hours parking zones all day?

....perhaps have a think about what is the point of the time limited parking...Ill leave it at that.

[MAD]

Obviously another ploy to try and reduce the amount of people driving into the city.
I'm glad I completed my studies in Carlton before this came in. It would've cost me a fortune otherwise. Everyone knew it was first in best dressed, and then came the lunchtime swap... like clockwork.
Not only will the local councils love it, Wilson parking will love it too.

[russellw]

That isn't all of the changes.

There are also amendments to the rules governing Centre Dividing lines; Cyclists and Motorcyclists.

These can all be found in our Tech Section

1. It would appear that despite the media article there is nothing specific in the fact sheets about MP3 players but then given the rather dated image they used for a mobile phone perhaps they don't know they can be used in cars yet?

2, I'd presume the requirement for a mobile phone holder is an either or situation as bluetooth hands free can obviously have the phone sited anywhere within range - pocket, console, glovebox - even boot for that matter.

3. I'm particularly interested in this little snippet:

A driver must not drive a vehicle that has a television receiver or a
visual display unit operating if any part of the screen is visible to the
driver or is likely to distract another driver.

Having been distracted by headrest mounted DVD screens at night on the open road you could possibly mount a case that they were distracting to other drivers.

4. The changes with regard to cyclists now will see the introduction (I presume not having seen any yet) of bicycle boxes - apparently these aren't like cricket boxes but are a divided section of the road at an intersection where the lycra clad little dears can gather in a group in front of the traffic to ensure that they block smooth traffic flow on the way to their next reserved piece of road on the other side of the intersection.
One would hope that they don't do this on broad intersections (like St Georges Rd / Bell St) because by the time they got across the lights would have changed.

5. This little gem looks like the end of certain in vehicle recreational activities:

A driver must not have another person or animal on their lap.

6. The moving within a parking zone to another empty spot is clearly a LGA money grab given that it hardly meets the defined criteria for these rule changes:

These changes will help to meet targets set as part of the Victorian
Government’s road safety strategy arrive alive 2008-2017, which aims
to reduce the road toll by a further 30 per cent by 2017.

... unless of course we've had fatalities caused by fighting over a parking spot - although even if we did they would likely be not classified as road related deaths for statistical purposes.

Cheers
Russ

[Wally]

It really a competition between the QLD and Vic Govts to see which one can boil a frog the fastest without it exploding.

Wouldn't mind the Vic Govt contract to install voice activated bluetooth and cradles in their fleet.

[Ralliart]

Originally Posted by russellw

A driver must not have another person or animal on their lap.
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dam Ive done this once of twice with a dog and my cat

[Dezza]

While I agree with the pets between the driver and steering wheel rule, the rest is crap. So basically everytime someone rings me while driving (which happens all the time), I'll have to pull over to take the call, even if I'm on a freeway. There's no way in hell I'm going to fit one of those ugly mobile phone carriers so that's basically my only option now.