QLD fog light laws

flappist · 20-09-2009, 04:38 PM

Much to the dismay of the "look at me" crowd as of next month fog lights will now be illegal to operate when there is no fog, night or day.

To make it even more fun my spys tell me that they don't even need to pull you over.

Like seatbelt and mobile phone offences all they need to do is take you piccy with the speed camera (which are manned by Police in QLD) and you get a fine in the mail.

Looks like captain bligh has found another cash cow..........

P.S. Driving lights must operate with high beam so if your defense is that they are not fog lights then you must admit driving on high beam which is a bigger fine and more points.

Info from usual suspects

J.C. · 20-09-2009, 04:47 PM

Thanks for the heads up on this. I know on the wifes rodeo, the low beam lights are not very good at all.

As you pointed out, cash cow on the move again.
On the opposite side of the coin, there is some sense to it ..... somewhere.
At the rate the revenue raises are going, we may all have to apply for an annual permit to pass wind while driving.

Streets · 20-09-2009, 05:25 PM

So sick of douchebags driving with their high-beams/fog lights/driving lights on when it's not necessary or in traffic. Glad to hear it.

kenz · 20-09-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Streets

So sick of douchebags driving with their high-beams/fog lights/driving lights on when it's not necessary or in traffic. Glad to hear it.

Why don't we just close the thread now then....

mrbaxr6t · 20-09-2009, 05:51 PM

**Peuty** · 20-09-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kenz

Why don't we just close the thread now then....

I don't get it?

Werd. · 20-09-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

I don't get it?

Arguments.

kenz · 20-09-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Peuty

I don't get it?

refer to post 5 :togo:

FPV+fteT3 · 20-09-2009, 09:25 PM

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This is very good news. I hate those 'driving lights'. Also, anyone notice they only illuminate the road up to about 3m in front of you? if you are looking there, you've already hit it.

I have fog lights on my car and dont use them however I have never understood why people get so peeved about others that do? They sit low in the front bar aren't that strong a light and in daylight there neither here or there. You can drive with your low beams on in daylight legally and as far as I can see there is no difference in wattage between the 2. People will whinge about anything nowdays and govt's are always looking for ways to put their hand in your pocket.

Eu-GenixX · 20-09-2009, 05:54 PM

i'm a culprit.. i drive with my driving lights on... but they help me see at night... they don't help much.. but they help a little.. i hope i'm not blinding anyone.. :S

XDV800 · 20-09-2009, 06:16 PM

Nice.

joolz · 20-09-2009, 06:24 PM

Fog lights on with high beams defeats the purpose of fog lights.

**DJM83** · 20-09-2009, 07:43 PM

Here we go again, not the fog/spot/driving/look at me light thread

: but i do wonder if this will flow onto our HWP officers?

Macca23 · 20-09-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Here we go again, not the fog/spot/driving/look at me light thread

: but i do wonder if this will flow onto our HWP officers?

I did notice since being in QLD the HWP do seem to have there fog/spot/driving kights on day and night.

flappist · 20-09-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Here we go again, not the fog/spot/driving/look at me light thread

: but i do wonder if this will flow onto our HWP officers?

Yes it will. As of October it will be illegal, it is not at the moment.

There is not point anyone doing the usual dummy spit in the pro or anti direction. It is the law and it will be happening.
It is being advertised constantly on the radio up here and the info I was giving was that you do not need to be pulled over to be booked.

This means it is easy money so it WILL cop a flogging.

Don't like it???? Remember when you vote.

If you voted for captain bligh and you are upset about this, remember, YOU wanted her so IT IS YOUR FAULT.......

4Vman · 20-09-2009, 08:41 PM

Well the thread did start out as a genuine "heads up"............

**DJM83** · 20-09-2009, 08:50 PM

Never said i did or didnt like it, my car doesnt even have them anyway. Nor do i care if other people use them. As for who voted for whom, lets keep that out of here thanks.
But your right it will be a cash cow and the will flog it to no end. As for them talking about it, this is the first ive heard of it. Keep it low so when it becomes law they will catch out unsuspecting victims

flappist · 20-09-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Never said i did or didnt like it, my car doesnt even have them anyway. Nor do i care if other people use them. As for who voted for whom, lets keep that out of here thanks.
But your right it will be a cash cow and the will flog it to no end. As for them talking about it, this is the first ive heard of it. Keep it low so when it becomes law they will catch out unsuspecting victims

The second part of that was not aimed at you rather at everyone. It was also not meant to be political other than pointing out there is no use complaining now, elections are the time to do that.

It was on B105, MIX97, ZINC and SEAFM today...

4Vman · 20-09-2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The second part of that was not aimed at you rather at everyone. It was also not meant to be political other than pointing out there is no use complaining now, elections are the time to do that.

It was on B105, MIX97, ZINC and SEAFM today...

was on BLINGFM too... they're starting a petition...

flappist · 20-09-2009, 09:04 PM

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was on BLINGFM too... they're starting a petition...

Ah yes during the PIMP MY RIDE hour....

**Burnout** · 20-09-2009, 09:10 PM

At the same time they passed regs making the driver in ALL instances responsible for all persons in a vehicle wearing seat belts.

& they made some changes to child restraints for age....

Just imagine how many points a school bus driver could loose if he/r were pulled over.........a cabbie could loose the lot with his first fare.....

Mr Hardware · 20-09-2009, 09:03 PM

This is very good news. I hate those 'driving lights'. Also, anyone notice they only illuminate the road up to about 3m in front of you? if you are looking there, you've already hit it.

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also, i wonder how this law will go with Fairlanes etc that illuminate one corner's driving light whilst turning a corner?

Pedro · 21-09-2009, 06:39 AM

[QUOTE=Mr Hardware]This is very good news. I hate those 'driving lights'........QUOTE]

Well you'll just have to go on hating. Because it's not illegal to have driving lights switched on in daylight .... only foglights are illegal. The lower lights on Fords are foglights. Driving lights are mostly found on imports.

J.C. · 21-09-2009, 06:48 AM

[QUOTE=Pedro]

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This is very good news. I hate those 'driving lights'........QUOTE]

Well you'll just have to go on hating. Because it's not illegal to have driving lights switched on in daylight .... only foglights are illegal. The lower lights on Fords are foglights. Driving lights are mostly found on imports.

The lower lights on the T-series are driving lights (referring to AUIII is this case). They come on when high beam is engaged. They are not referred to in the hand book as fog lights either.

Eu-GenixX · 21-09-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedro

Well you'll just have to go on hating. Because it's not illegal to have driving lights switched on in daylight .... only foglights are illegal. The lower lights on Fords are foglights. Driving lights are mostly found on imports.

i thought this was the other way around.. i consider the lower lights on Fords/basically all new cars... as driving lights...

Fog lights to me are yellow.. like you find on imports... or those Super Bright red lights you see in the lower right side on the rear end of Excels...

geckoGT · 21-09-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Eu-GenixX

i thought this was the other way around.. i consider the lower lights on Fords/basically all new cars... as driving lights...

Fog lights to me are yellow.. like you find on imports... or those Super Bright red lights you see in the lower right side on the rear end of Excels...

Yawn!!!!!!!

You are wrong, sorry.

Driving lights normally have a higher wattage globe than the low beam, aimed higher to throw light further forward and wired in tandem with the high beam.

Fog lights are low wattage, about the same as low beam, aimed lower than low beam and wired to operate with the park lights. Fog lights according to every road regulation in australia can be either white or yellow.

The late model ford, holden, toyota etc lower lights in the front bar are fog lights, not driving lights. Even the B series owners manual states they are fog lights, but what would the engineers that designed the car to comply with australian design regulations know.

The low voltage, often LED lights that are on permanently on cars such as many of the new audi's are called daytime running lights, they are not driving lights either.

platinumXR · 21-09-2009, 12:37 PM

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Yawn!!!!!!!

You are wrong, sorry.

Driving lights normally have a higher wattage globe than the low beam, aimed higher to throw light further forward and wired in tandem with the high beam.

Fog lights are low wattage, about the same as low beam, aimed lower than low beam and wired to operate with the park lights. Fog lights according to every road regulation in australia can be either white or yellow.

The late model ford, holden, toyota etc lower lights in the front bar are fog lights, not driving lights. Even the B series owners manual states they are fog lights, but what would the engineers that designed the car to comply with australian design regulations know.

The low voltage, often LED lights that are on permanently on cars such as many of the new audi's are called daytime running lights, they are not driving lights either.

...and fog and driving lights are generally "Spread beam" as opposed to "Pencil Beam" which are generally called spotlights but can also be called driving lights. It's like it depends on how old you are and or which TAFE you went to as to what you call them...but...it's the pencil/spread reflector that really differentiates them.

I know this is a hotbed of contention and don't really want to dig up "That old chestnut" (sorry Mod's)...but you can really call them, and use them for either.

The clear fog lights have usually got a Narva/Hella/Philips All Weather style (or similar to whichever brand) globe in them that emit a different light to just a normal driving style globe. The lens of the globe is coated differently and uses a different gas. It gives of the same effect as having the distinctive yellow lens on traditional fog lights of old and is designed to be used as a "Driving" or "Fog" light.

Using non "All Weather" globes will have a similar but not the same effect as they are simply mounted low to the ground and sort of pass under the fog which...(if my urban myth memory serves me)...actually does not sit on the ground and allows the light, to light up the road and not reflect off the water droplets and glare back.

And people please...turn them off when you are facing oncoming traffic or following another car...they are bright, distracting and attract a fine from Plod and generally inconsiderate.

flappist · 20-09-2009, 09:08 PM

The other major change is that it is now illegal to do a U turn over a single solid white line.
Watch out for that one as it is OK to cross it to overtake.

4Vman · 20-09-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The other major change is that it is now illegal to do a U turn over a single solid white line.
Watch out for that one as it is OK to cross it to overtake.

In Vic soon you wont be allowed to do either...

Oldfordwag · 20-09-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

The other major change is that it is now illegal to do a U turn over a single solid white line.
Watch out for that one as it is OK to cross it to overtake.

Just to save you some grief, you cannot cross a solid white line at all.
What about the merging lane debate, Qld Transport claim the broken line at the end of a merge lane means GIVE WAY?