5 young men killed in high speed crash.

4Vman · 17-01-2010, 08:55 AM

Angry about tightening road laws?

These tragedy's don't help...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/fiv...-1225820452302

macca13 · 17-01-2010, 09:12 AM

Unfortunately a speed camera will not stop this happening but a Patrol car pulling them up will (if they stop), Lower speed limits will not stop this but education might or at least smarten up the passengers enough not to get in the car. Yes it's a preventable tragedy but it will not be prevented by the current controls ie. camera's and lower speed limits.
More high visability patrol cars and more education will help.

olfella · 17-01-2010, 09:24 AM

Yea I am cranky that this sort of waste of life still occours. If the driver wants to do themselves in then go slit their wrists or something, but why take other innocents with them? Like macca13, I believe a higher visibility of patrol cars will help, but it will not stop pure stupidity driven by testosterone. You cannot watch these bods 24/7 and even the hoon laws do not seem to effect them. Bloody ....

**Falcon Coupe** · 17-01-2010, 09:18 AM

What a waste of young lives.

Tightening road laws do little for those who ignore them.

4Vman · 17-01-2010, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

What a waste of young lives.

Tightening road laws do little for those who ignore them.

Agree.... and the other problem is even with more marked patrol cars around these idiots just run.. then we get all the morons blamming the police for chasing them...
The wreckage is undescribable......

Sadly i don't know the answer to this.....

bodes-sh · 17-01-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Agree.... and the other problem is even with more marked patrol cars around these idiots just run.. then we get all the morons blamming the police for chasing them...
The wreckage is undescribable......

Sadly i don't know the answer to this.....

well, as far as the running goes, i believe wa police are bringing in some sort of emp device that is designed to kill the engine on a car, obviously, thus avoiding high speed chases. fair enough it won't cut the engine on all cars, but the majority that try and run are in later model efi cars anyway, so that's where it will work best. from what i have heard they are similar to operate to a laser radar gun.

slightly off topic, but does the herald sun actually have proof readers? that article was almost as hard to read as some of the posts floating around here...

J.C. · 17-01-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bodes-sh

well, as far as the running goes, i believe wa police are bringing in some sort of emp device that is designed to kill the engine on a car, obviously, thus avoiding high speed chases. fair enough it won't cut the engine on all cars, but the majority that try and run are in later model efi cars anyway, so that's where it will work best. from what i have heard they are similar to operate to a laser radar gun.

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As good as this sounds, this will not be the be all an end all for car crashes due to fools running from the police.
Thinking about it, it could be just as dangerous as a pursuit with the car rolling alone with the engine shut down, no power steering and possibly limited braking.
I don't have the answers on how to stop these needless incidents from occurring. All I know is that incidents like these tend to screw it up for the remainder of those on the road through harsher traffic fines and regulations.
At the end of it all, young lives have been pointlessly lost. I feel for the families they left behind and for those that had to deal with the trauma of attending the accidents and dealing with the dead and injured.
Like all of us working class people, the police have a job to do. Most times it isn't a pleasant job.
Education maybe the key in fighting and reducing these cases. My wife just came up with the idea of simulators in our schools maybe. After all, it is done in training pilots and we, as drivers, are politing a motor car. Food for thought.

**DJM83** · 17-01-2010, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Agree.... and the other problem is even with more marked patrol cars around these idiots just run.. then we get all the morons blamming the police for chasing them...
The wreckage is undescribable......

Sadly i don't know the answer to this.....

Only thing to distinguish the car model was the wheels.
How many lives need to be lost before these people realise. Maybe regular speeding offenders should be taken to a fatality to see whats its all about, drastic measure but.....

age7875 · 17-01-2010, 09:57 AM

Some additional info from "The Age";

http://www.theage.com.au/national/cr...0117-mdrl.html

**SSD-85** · 17-01-2010, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Only thing to distinguish the car model was the wheels.
How many lives need to be lost before these people realise. Maybe regular speeding offenders should be taken to a fatality to see whats its all about, drastic measure but.....

I think 160kph falls into the Dangerous driving category, which as we know can occur within the speed limit (ie: drink driving). It is these people that should be dragged to the crash site of another moron who did the same thing and wasnt so lucky. Photos are well and good, but I've seen a fatal road accident in person, didnt even know the person and it brought tears to my eyes. And he wasn't even the result of driving incompetence.

Dave_Obsession · 17-01-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Only thing to distinguish the car model was the wheels.
How many lives need to be lost before these people realise. Maybe regular speeding offenders should be taken to a fatality to see whats its all about, drastic measure but.....

As a start, all young people should be made to watch this video:

In fact, I say to all of you, please watch this video today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mf8DtWWd8

They should be made to watch it when they go for their L's, when they get their P's, and it should be a regular on TV for me - at the end of the dad, it's the shock value that makes these things so effective. If it only saves one person for being killed, isn't that still worth it??

POELWYK · 17-01-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dave93761

As a start, all young people should be made to watch this video:

In fact, I say to all of you, please watch this video today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mf8DtWWd8

They should be made to watch it when they go for their L's, when they get their P's, and it should be a regular on TV for me - at the end of the dad, it's the shock value that makes these things so effective. If it only saves one person for being killed, isn't that still worth it??

funny unuf thay make us watch them tac adds at school now have cops come to the school and show us what happens but this still happens what a wast of life and a Nice car

kezzer · 18-01-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dave93761

As a start, all young people should be made to watch this video:

In fact, I say to all of you, please watch this video today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mf8DtWWd8

They should be made to watch it when they go for their L's, when they get their P's, and it should be a regular on TV for me - at the end of the dad, it's the shock value that makes these things so effective. If it only saves one person for being killed, isn't that still worth it??

Thanks mate, I needed that, really did.

luckykar · 18-01-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dave93761

As a start, all young people should be made to watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2mf8DtWWd8

Thanks for that link I have made my kids watch this video and have sent it to all there mates.

Its a real tragedy for people who have to deal with this sort of thing , ambos , police, parents , this is something you never forget and sometimes don't get over.

Lukeyson · 17-01-2010, 09:27 AM

I saw the footage of the wreckage on news this morning, unbelievable how i could only presume the car model by the rims, the car was a pile of scrap.

Waste of young lives, and their families are all affected forever now. sad.

Swordsman88 · 17-01-2010, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Angry about tightening road laws?

These tragedy's don't help...

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/fiv...-1225820452302

no...it doesn't. Despite all the work ford did developing one of the safest (both active and passive) sedans in the world, its the nut behind the wheel that has ultimate control.

I read an earlier version of the story without the speed involved mentioned and i thought...hmm, must be really moving to do that to a falcon..... then you find out it was travelling 160km/h.

That is not 'speeding' that is INSANELY STUPID. You have to have no judgement of any kind to do that speed in any surburban situation. Its got nothing to do with the 'posted limit' that wouldn't be safe for craig lowndes to do in his V8 supercar. There is a reason they line street circuits with so much safety barrier. Oh, and craig is in the car by himself in a race seat, with harness, hans and a roll cage. He doesn't take 5 other people for a spin whith him, at least one of which can't be wearing any restraints....

If it wasn't for the 5 deaths involved i'd say that sort of behaviour was a waste of a good car. Sadly, 5 families won't see it that way and will have to deal with this for the rest of their lives.....

05MkIIFutura · 17-01-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Swordsman88

Despite all the work ford did developing one of the safest (both active and passive) sedans in the world,

But they then went and smacked a turbo on an engine which already hauls the Falcon along a fairly good rate.... I can see why governments react and start to limit people on what they are allowed to drive, re: the supercar scare of the 70's.

I am all for fast cars, and getting a kick out of them at high speed. There is a place to do this, in a controlled situation at a motorsport facility. There are so many immature minds out there who have no comprehension of risk or consquences that I honestly would feel safer if they started to cap power to weight ratio's in cars, and installed GPS speed limiters.

There will always be stupid people out there, and a they are still capable of causing deaths in a Yaris. But why we compound the situation by building sedans with Porsche like speed at a price anyone can afford, it is beyond me....

200kw is plenty of horses, get your kicks at the racetrack, and wipe of 5km/h on the road.

deesun · 17-01-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

But they then went and smacked a turbo on an engine which already hauls the Falcon along a fairly good rate.... I can see why governments react and start to limit people on what they are allowed to drive, re: the supercar scare of the 70's.

Sorry bud but no mention of a turbo in any of the stories. Police say car was within regs of what driver was allowed to drive. But an ordinary XR6 is capable of speed. The driver just wasn't capable of any correct decision.

mik · 17-01-2010, 01:56 PM

[QUOTE=05MkIIFutura]But they then went and smacked a turbo on an engine which already hauls the Falcon along a fairly good rate.... I can see why governments react and start to limit people on what they are allowed to drive, re: the supercar scare of the 70's.

I am all for fast cars, and getting a kick out of them at high speed. There is a place to do this, in a controlled situation at a motorsport facility. There are so many immature minds out there who have no comprehension of risk or consquences that I honestly would feel safer if they started to cap power to weight ratio's in cars, and installed GPS speed limiters.

There will always be stupid people out there, and a they are still capable of causing deaths in a Yaris. But why we compound the situation by building sedans with Porsche like speed at a price anyone can afford, it is beyond me....
kilowatts is not the problem , if someone wants to speed they will do it no matter what engine is in it , i found as a young buk a mini 1000 cc would 92 mph , a 68 cortina 1600 would do about the same, i could go on, capping kw`s wont do a thing, they will then try it in less powerfull cars even less capable of handling speed and reckless driveing.

US kills Falcon · 17-01-2010, 02:00 PM

The "wipe off 5" campaign is a farce because peole who kill themselves on the road are usually driving well above the speed limit.

jcxr · 17-01-2010, 02:04 PM

Radio news says driver was on a limited passeger licence due to a prior speeding infringement.

Bud Bud · 17-01-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Swordsman88

That is not 'speeding' that is INSANELY STUPID.

Correct, if you believe the rhetoric that Governments spin these days, 1 k/ph over the posted speed limit is speeding while some Governments choose to nab you after 3 k/ph over the posted limit. Maybe we need a new term to refer to anything above 15-20 K/ph over the posted limit to truly reflect the nature of this kind of lunacy as speeding and all it now refers to is now taken.

There was a time when "joy riding" was an acceptable term to refer to another despicable act. Thankfully this term has been changed to "illegal use and theft of a motor car". Maybe its time to overhaul the term speeding now too.

FPV+fteT3 · 17-01-2010, 05:18 PM

According to 10 news just, the car was unregistered and the driver should not have been carrying passengers the car should not have even been on the road but with the attitude of the driver to laws (previous traffic infringements) he was an accident looking for somewhere to happen.

they went on to say the vehicle was overtaking on the median beforehand witnessed by other drivers and they almost got hit. A woman who saw the accident from her car was distraught and thankfull they didn't get involved but she knew the occupants of the car had little chance.

Just makes you wonder about some people.

**Full Noise** · 17-01-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV+fteT3

According to 10 news just, the car was unregistered and the driver should not have been carrying passengers the car should not have even been on the road but with the attitude of the driver to laws (previous traffic infringements) he was an accident looking for somewhere to happen.

they went on to say the vehicle was overtaking on the median beforehand witnessed by other drivers and they almost got hit. A woman who saw the accident from her car was distraught and thankfull they didn't get involved but she knew the occupants of the car had little chance.

Just makes you wonder about some people.

They also showed photographs of the young blokes involved. I’d say that they were taken from some "social networking" site. The usual drunken pics that some morons find amusing.

Charles Darwin would be proud.

POELWYK · 17-01-2010, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bud Bud

Correct, if you believe the rhetoric that Governments spin these days, 1 k/ph over the posted speed limit is speeding while some Governments choose to nab you after 3 k/ph over the posted limit. Maybe we need a new term to refer to anything above 15-20 K/ph over the posted limit to truly reflect the nature of this kind of lunacy as speeding and all it now refers to is now taken.

There was a time when "joy riding" was an acceptable term to refer to another despicable act. Thankfully this term has been changed to "illegal use and theft of a motor car". Maybe its time to overhaul the term speeding now too.

I Agree 100% with you

I'm a P plater I'm 19 and i know that driving like that is stupid unless its done on a race track Point being Do this sstuff in the right place at the right time not on the roads

Matt P · 17-01-2010, 05:37 PM

Appoligies.

POELWYK · 17-01-2010, 05:54 PM

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Yet your avatar shows you pulling a skid as you make a right hand turn into another street.

huh that was taken at 100ks down the high way on the AUfalcon cruse last year

lubby1 · 17-01-2010, 09:43 AM

Unless the police get out there and make their presence seen these kinds of tradgedies will continue to happen. I feel bad for the famalies concerned but i believe hidden speed cameras would not prevent these tradgedies.

4Vman · 17-01-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lubby1

Unless the police get out there and make their presence seen these kinds of tradgedies will continue to happen. I feel bad for the famalies concerned but i believe hidden speed cameras would not prevent these tradgedies.

The police cant be everywhere all the time, this happened at 2am.
These idiots just try to out run the police anyway, they see it as a game.
We'll probably find out the driver was outside of his passenger restrictions and car power restrictions too...
No amount of rules, training, camera's etc will stop this, only parental/peer/community pressure will.

Swordsman88 · 17-01-2010, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

The police cant be everywhere all the time, this happened at 2am.
These idiots just try to out run the police anyway, they see it as a game.
We'll probably find out the driver was outside of his passenger restrictions and car power restrictions too...

probably, but we need to be careful going down that path. I know plenty of EF XR6s that can get to 160km/h in a surburban street and that is a legal car to drive on p plates. As is, for that matter, the ever popular VN commodore.

Hell, a daihatus sirion might only get to 100km/h, but i doubt it survivability at that speed is any better than an FG at 160km/h.....