speeding fines

turbo_man · 21-09-2011, 06:45 PM

hey guys i just got a speeding fine in the mail just looking for some advice. i got detected by a speed camera going 50 in a school zone, now im a red p plater and this will make me lose my licence for 3 months but the normal speed limit on this road is 60 and the camera detected me at 8:04am, 4 minutes after it started!! now i make sure to obey school zones due to children being around so my clock in the car was out this may also cost me my job do i have any ground to stand on and is calling or emailing the rta going to give me any chance of getting it dropped?

kenz · 21-09-2011, 06:47 PM

good luck

03 GHIA · 21-09-2011, 06:48 PM

Do they have you're face? I've heard of many getting their parents to cop the fine and points...

turbo_man · 21-09-2011, 06:53 PM

well the car's not in my name it's in my step mum's but shes refusing point blank to take the 2 points for me when she recieved the notice

sudszy · 21-09-2011, 06:58 PM

Oh, but the children

.........I gather there weren't any munchkins in sight, or a crossing attendant?, were there 40km/h flashing signs?

Typically no kid is at school by 8am, especially if its a primary school, send them there a whole hour early.

if you can paint a picture that it look deserted and slipped your otherwise faultless attention/observation skills Id at least "pen" a letter pleading for leniency.

futura97 · 21-09-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sudszy

Typically no kid is at school by 8am, especially if its a primary school, send them there a whole hour early to be molested?

if you can paint a picture that it look deserted and slipped your otherwise faultless attention/observation skills Id at least "pen" a letter pleading for leniency.

Yep i'd do this if you had a clean license. Otherwise, don't bother wasting your time.

ps - over here in the west school zones start at 730! bloody bs if you ask me!

RHR · 22-09-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 91falc

Do they have you're face? I've heard of many getting their parents to cop the fine and points...

Isnt there a nsw judge that just got convicted of pervert the course of justice for signing a false stat dec

**El Venom** · 22-09-2011, 04:29 PM

How do they expect us to be up to date with what time the school zones are as it seems every school has different times. The school my kids go to has the 40 zone in force between 8am and 9.30am and then 2pm and 4pm in the arvo. The thing is the school starts classes at 8.45am and finishes at 2.30pm and including staff there are 31 people at the school.

I think in this case you will have to cop the fine but the way the government has the school zones at the moment its more about revenue raising then protecting the lives of our kids

mrbaxr6t · 22-09-2011, 04:47 PM

there must be some leeway in the "times" lets list some things that have leeway shall I (in victoria)

speed limits have a percentage for error

registration whilst it expires midnight on the day you can re-register in a few months and not have to do a full RWC

your drivers' license itself can expire and provided it isn't years and years out they will renew

so the system has room for leniency as proven by above examples, as for your speed provided that the speedlimit non-school time is 50kmh and you were "caught" doing 50kmh merely minutes after the zone came into effect, I would highlight this now if you were doing say 80kph in a 60 and were nabbed at 70-80 then you were speeding without question. I am sick to death of everybody saying "just cop it" I myself have been nabbed for "speeding" with extenuating circumstances on several occasions - my biggest beef is mobile camera at base of hill going just fast enough to be over tolerance ...

in Victoria no school I am aware of will even let kids inside before 8.30, and dropping them off beforehand is deeply frowned upon

Dave3911 · 22-09-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mrbaxr6t

there must be some leeway in the "times" lets list some things that have leeway shall I (in victoria)

speed limits have a percentage for error

The limit has no "percentage for error" at all in it, the measuring devices that detect speed do.

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registration whilst it expires midnight on the day you can re-register in a few months and not have to do a full RWC

Yeah, but if you get caught driving after midnight your driving an unregistered motor vehicle and can be fined... Just because Vicroads wait before cancelling the registration allowing a renewal period without inspection and/or RWC is an administrative function and has nothing to do with "leeway" within the law or relevant to this thread.

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your drivers' license itself can expire and provided it isn't years and years out they will renew

As above, the minute it expires you are unlicensed & can be charged. Simple. Just because they allow renewal without test for a certain time period is not relevant.

cobramania · 22-09-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 836Falcon

How do they expect us to be up to date with what time the school zones are as it seems every school has different times. The school my kids go to has the 40 zone in force between 8am and 9.30am and then 2pm and 4pm in the arvo. The thing is the school starts classes at 8.45am and finishes at 2.30pm and including staff there are 31 people at the school.

I think in this case you will have to cop the fine but the way the government has the school zones at the moment its more about revenue raising then protecting the lives of our kids

I don't agree with school zones at all, but that's a different point. It doesn't matter what times the school classes are, the school zone times are those indicated on the signs, some schools start & finish earlier or later, & those school zones have different times indicated. It's your responsibility to read the sign & decide what limit applies & when. Student free days, don't get you off either. In NSW, unless it's a NSW Government gazetted school holiday, School zones apply, whether children or teachers are there or not doesn't matter, again it's your responsibility to find that out. School zones operate on official atomic time, if the zone doesn't have flashing lights to indicate it's in operation, again it's your responsibility to know the correct time.

**El Venom** · 22-09-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cobramania

I don't agree with school zones at all, but that's a different point. It doesn't matter what times the school classes are, the school zone times are those indicated on the signs, some schools start & finish earlier or later, & those school zones have different times indicated. It's your responsibility to read the sign & decide what limit applies & when. Student free days, don't get you off either. In NSW, unless it's a NSW Government gazetted school holiday, School zones apply, whether children or teachers are there or not doesn't matter, again it's your responsibility to find that out. School zones operate on official atomic time, if the zone doesn't have flashing lights to indicate it's in operation, again it's your responsibility to know the correct time.

I do follow the school zone speeds but what I am getting at is the way they are set is more about getting money. I even know of a school zone of 40km/h that has is on a road that has a normal speed zone of 100km/h. The kids actually get closer to the road running around the oval then they do at the start and finish of school.

The reason I think it more about money is the fact that one end of the zone is less then a 100m after a blind crest and blind curve both of which are easily negotiated at 100km/h but if you dont know about the school zone and a hwy patrol car is there they will get you as you would be struggling to slow fast enough and there are no signs prior to say there is a school zone ahead and if one of the many semis are behind you then trying to slow for the zone is likely to end badly.

How hard is it to have all school zones the same speed at the same times state wide that way people cant argue they werent aware of the exact times of the zone

GreenR · 21-09-2011, 06:58 PM

Considering you have already lost points in your first 12 months of driving. I would say no.

svo supporter · 21-09-2011, 07:02 PM

You have 4 points on P's for memory. So if you haven't been caught for anything else, I reckon you'll be safe.

Otherwise, you could name a mate being the driver, but don't get caught doing that. The law don't like it too much.

Good luck either way

Falc'man · 21-09-2011, 07:39 PM

Worth asking for leniency imo.

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Originally Posted by svo supporter

You have 4 points on P's for memory. So if you haven't been caught for anything else, I reckon you'll be safe.

Otherwise, you could name a mate being the driver, but don't get caught doing that. The law don't like it too much.

Good luck either way

Isn't it a 4 point loss for "speeding" in a 40 zone?

turbo_man · 21-09-2011, 07:42 PM

points dont matter automatic loss of licence

MexicanBatman · 21-09-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_man

points dont matter automatic loss of licence

Wow what nazi state do you live in?

Well remember next time to do 40km/h even before time, that way you will be right if your not run off the road

SteveJH · 21-09-2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MexicanBatman

Wow what nazi state do you live in?

Red P-Platers get automatic 3 month suspension for speeding in NSW.

0-10km over is 1 point in normal speed zone, 2 or 3 in a school zone from memory.

sudszy · 22-09-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo_man

points dont matter automatic loss of licence

So there would be nothing to lose in penning a letter.

You havent elaborated on whether there were any flashing signs, crossing attendants etc?

I do have some sympathy for your plight, I go through 7 different school 40km/h zones on my way to work each day; on one occasion possibly similar circumstances to yourself, brain fade and I failed to slow to 40km/h(realising when I saw the 60 sign at the end of the zone!) - basically the only time Ive accidently broken a road law, but was lucky that the only consequence was feeling terrible about it.

My sympathy is a little conditional, the odds of getting picked up on just one error are very remote, possibly you have been rolling the dice with your driving traits, or regularly are distracted/have brain fade( your post indicates that you initially had no idea that you'd committed the offence other than the letter in the mail, didnt see the parked car and the camera even after driving past it?) and this is not unexpected?

svo supporter · 21-09-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Falc'man

Isn't it a 4 point loss for "speeding" in a 40 zone?

No idea mate. The OP stated his step mother won't take the 2 points for him. I was just assuming the speeding fine attracted 2 points and he had 4 on his P's.

Edit. Just re-read the original posting. Looks like the OP will loose his licence, if no one takes the fine for him. I also seriously doubt the coughers will look favourably either, considering they're cracking down on P plate drivers with their speed.

So hate to say it, but looks like you'll loose your job, licence etc. It's sucks yes, but what else can you do?

pottery beige · 21-09-2011, 07:31 PM

man up take it like a champ....

Ben73 · 21-09-2011, 08:18 PM

In NSW P platers lose 4 points for speeding 1-10km/h
I think school zone are an extra point no matter what speed you are doing.

Its backwards that P platers have less points to begin with, but then lose more then a full licence driver even when breaking the same law.
They need to pick one or the other, not both.

I thought with school zones they would give you 5 minutes grace period.
On the RTA website is says "minutes" doesn't say exactly how many.

MexicanBatman · 21-09-2011, 08:29 PM

All that in a stupid state that does not let learner driver drive the speed limit on open roads, what happens when you get your licence and drive on a 100km/h limit B or C road, never having driven faster than 80km/h LOL

I haven't been to NSW in ages but I bet there is a ton on newly licensed drivers staring at the speedos and not the road...

GreenR · 21-09-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MexicanBatman

I haven't been to NSW in ages but I bet there is a ton on newly licensed drivers staring at the speedos and not the road...

Not just newly licensed and not just NSW.

TheInterceptor · 21-09-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MexicanBatman

All that in a stupid state that does not let learner driver drive the speed limit on open roads, what happens when you get your licence and drive on a 100km/h limit B or C road, never having driven faster than 80km/h LOL

snip.

Had an argument about this at work yesterday... bloody oath stupid state...

The whole L/P1/P2 limits have no sense to them apart from creating more revenue.

But thats offtopic so ill get off here.

Brendo_GSUte · 22-09-2011, 02:47 AM

You could argue that the times are out respective to GMT+8hrs and theres enough ambiguity to get away with it. But yeh the law is pretty ignorant, injust and more like a dictatorship when it comes to reasonable excuses for being caught speeding...

If good old mumsy wont take the wrap (which is a bit harsh for her to side with the OH & BS over her own son!) buy her a new blender and remind her she will be the one driving you around or jog her memory about the last time she was cheaply stung by the rev raisers!

Failing that apply for an extraordinay license.

best of luck mate totally sux to lose your license for being mostly a good driver when drunks and real hoons are the problem

Makes you wonder what they will do when everyone actually starts obeying the law and they get no revenue...

NanoDuke · 22-09-2011, 05:14 AM

Why were you doing 50 in a 40/60 zone?
That's what I'd ask if I were the magistrate.

If you were knowingly pushing the speed limit, that's one thing, but if you were following the speed of other people on the road, then you might have a chance.

This wasn't the camera in Gymea, by any chance, was it?

hawker · 22-09-2011, 07:44 AM

Case in point, never trust a clock. I slow down to 40 if it's about 10 to 8, and also for about 10 minutes after 4pm. Annoys people behind me, but I'm not risking a speeding fine for the sake of the 'wrong time'... You could go to court and try and prove the time wrong, but good luck with that!

Have to be careful in the ACT though, school zone lasts all day. 8am till 4pm... Can't really understand it, I mean, primary school kids should be inside all day, and not near the roads, and high school kids, well some of them are allowed to leave the school, but they should have common sense around roads!

lilmattie · 22-09-2011, 08:36 AM

I lost my points on my P's .. man, that was awhile ago now though.

Do they still have the option for 12 months good behaviour on 1 point? If so, that would be an option. And that's what I opted for.

It was a nerve breaking year to manage, but I got there in the end.

kaniSS · 22-09-2011, 09:26 AM

If you got fined at 8.04am and the fine says 8.04am, yet the school zone ends at 8.00am what are you worrying about?

Write a letter to the state debt recovery.

If the school zone ends at 8.30, than man up and cop it on the chin.