Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehicle

[turboxf]

http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/16192

I bet GMH don't say that in there blurbs

[falconnut]

Yikes, i knew hybrids where more expensive to make but i had no idea they where THIS EXPENSIVE holy ****.

[IDT]

What a joke. that is crazy

[Gman_86_xr6]

And this is supposed to be the future?

I'll stick to the good old internal combustion engine for now thanks.

[bafel]

All this is based on only 6,000 sales, talk about a misleading headline.

[Rodge]

That would mean each of the 6,000 Volts sold would be subsidized between $50,000 and $250,000, depending on how many government subsidy milestones are realized.

Extract from the article. Some of the subsidies are over a 20 year period.
60,000 Volts are planned for production in 2012, so depending on how you crunch the numbers the subsidy per vehicle could be somewhere between $5,000 and $25,000 per vehicle by as early as this time next year and what about by say the end of 2015 when they ramp up production to say 200,000 units per annum ? Someone's taken a deliberatly "creative accounting approach" to generate a sensational headline, perhaps someone with a vested interest ?

[Luke Plaizier]

Originally Posted by Rodge

60,000 Volts

Guffaw.


Lukeyson

[Wretched]

very misleading article. The author states the subsidy total is for each car currently made (3billion divided by the amount sold so far of which is 6000). If you're going to calculate it that way wouldn't have been better to wait till end of production?

But then if that's the figure he's come up with, then every single one made in 2012 is subsidy free?

[falconnut]

Good point, i am not sure either.

[jpd80]

This has less to do with the Volt and more to do with a person having an axe to grind
about government subsidies to Michigan state and auto companies.

I'm sure it would be cheaper to sit back, do nothing and wonder why new technology and
jobs continue to pass by the US auto industry but fortunately the US govt did something..

[2011G6E]

Doesn't matter...once you have a subsidy on anything, it logically means it is of such a state that it can't stand on it's own two feet on its own competing with other similar products.

The question should be "Does the Volt require subsidies to be affordable for the public?", and if the answer is a yes or even a qualified maybe, then it has some serious answers to face as to wther it is "the answer" we've been told it is...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Doesn't matter...once you have a subsidy on anything, it logically means it is of such a state that it can't stand on it's own two feet on its own competing with other similar products.

But that's the point.Volt really has no direct competitors in terms of extended range electric behicle.

The question should be "Does the Volt require subsidies to be affordable for the public?"
and if the answer is a yes or even a qualified maybe, then it has some serious answers to face
as to whether it is "the answer" we've been told it is...

No, the question should be whether the government wants to encourage development
of electrification technology for vehicles or just keep producing conventional types.

In the US, the cost without discount is approximately $40,000, so obviously Australians are being made
to pay $60K, the full price plus cost of RHD model, expensive compared the $32,500 US bargain.

Provided that the US applies subsidies judiciously, it will assist motor companies in
getting those initial sales that will help amortize the costs of new technology.


I am of the opinion that early adopters always make vehicles that cost too much
and would rather wait and see what companies like Ford will offer at a fraction of the price,
and without subsidies..........

[turboxf]

Very good debating going on , that is why i posted it , GMH didn't tell us about this tho!
http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/sc...ro-or-corvette

What they are having did i read that correct???
Chevy Volt battery erupting into flames over the holiday weekend,

Seems like GM have got a good vehicle on there hands ??????????

What would you drive for free a CAMO or CORV

[Rodge]

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/gm...sumer-reports/
The range doesn't appear to be all that good in very cold conditions.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Rodge

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/news/gm...sumer-reports/
The range doesn't appear to be all that good in very cold conditions.

Not really a problem n most of Australia...apart from the southern more populous zones where one would asume to be the main market for it. How does excessive heat affect batteries? In remote control cars in summer I know that batteries don't seem to last as long either...that or they seem to get really hot.

[Rodge]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Not really a problem n most of Australia...apart from the southern more populous zones where one would asume to be the main market for it. How does excessive heat affect batteries? In remote control cars in summer I know that batteries don't seem to last as long either...that or they seem to get really hot.

I know with the electric Focus there's a system to keep the batteries at the ideal temperature and they specially make mention of the fact that this assists with longevity. Taking Ford at their word, (is that a safe thing to do ? ) reading between the lines excessive heat or cold can't be of assistance with battery performance or longevity.