SES to get 100's of Commodores to cut up

[Charliewool]

Seized hoon cars used by Lilydale SES volunteers in rescue and Jaws of Life training

TWO seized hoon cars were today ripped apart by Lilydale SES volunteers as they practised Jaws of Life training for the first time in Victoria.

Emergency services today demonstrated how seized hoon cars would be used to practise road accident rescues, after the scheme was announced in November last year.

Hoons who refuse to pay their fines and impoundment costs will have their cars automatically seized and used in future SES and CFA training drills.

Minister for Police and Emergency Services Kim Wells said in Lilydale today the new scheme would provide a continuing supply of cars for volunteers to simulate rescues from car accidents.

“Previously these agencies had to rely on donations from wreckers or the local community and, while gratefully received, these vehicles were often not representative of the more modern types of vehicles that are encountered by road rescue crews,” Mr Wells said.

[lucas2]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Minister for Police and Emergency Services Kim Wells said in Lilydale today the new scheme would provide a continuing supply of cars for volunteers to simulate rescues from car accidents.

While I do think the scheme is probably not a bad idea, although it's terrible for someone to lose their car. But I can't help but think the Minister's optimism for a continuing supply of "hoon" cars, shows that maybe the strict "hoon" laws aren't actually working by preventing the act itself.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by lucas2

While I do think the scheme is probably not a bad idea, although it's terrible for someone to lose their car. But I can't help but think the Minister's optimism for a continuing supply of "hoon" cars, shows that maybe the strict "hoon" laws aren't actually working by preventing the act itself.

It is working but you will be surprised how many worthless bombs get impounded, that is why the owners do not pay & collect them.

[Mercury 8]

Originally Posted by trublu

It is working but you will be surprised how many worthless bombs get impounded, that is why the owners do not pay & collect them.

Something I did not know was that there is a $90 a day storage fee for impounded cars in QLD. Plenty of people will not retrieve the car after three months.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Mercury 8

Something I did not know was that there is a $90 a day storage fee for impounded cars in QLD. Plenty of people will not retrieve the car after three months.

Correct. I know a bloke that had to pay an impoundment fee to get his car out a few months ago after it was confiscated

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by lucas2

While I do think the scheme is probably not a bad idea, although it's terrible for someone to lose their car. But I can't help but think the Minister's optimism for a continuing supply of "hoon" cars, shows that maybe the strict "hoon" laws aren't actually working by preventing the act itself.

Its the same how states allow for increases in speeding fine revenue each year. If speed kills and its our number one problem, blah, blah, then just when are the Police expected to get on top of it? Shouldn't budgets be trending downwards for speed revenue and politicians boasting they get less revenue as proof its all working and lives are saved?

The trivialisation of road safety and the perversion of the duties of state police forces in the quest for meeting state budgets gets my blood boiling.

[GT014]

Originally Posted by lucas2

While I do think the scheme is probably not a bad idea, although it's terrible for someone to lose their car. But I can't help but think the Minister's optimism for a continuing supply of "hoon" cars, shows that maybe the strict "hoon" laws aren't actually working by preventing the act itself.

Drive like a d$$$head on public roads endangering innocent people then they deserve to have there cars taken, don't think it's terrible at all.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

“Previously these agencies had to rely on donations from wreckers or the local community and, while gratefully received, these vehicles were often not representative of the more modern types of vehicles that are encountered by road rescue crews,” Mr Wells said.

You've got love a politicians outlook... I guess what he's saying is that nobody crashes modern cars and 'hoons' only drive new ones ??

[Auslandau]

Problem is ..... the first one they cut up was an AU

[Rob 351]

Lets hope it wasn't a T3!!

[MercurySilver]

Hopefully the shipped over the commodore that was caught doing 180 in an 80 zone in my neck of the woods about a month ago.

[Charliewool]

Geesh Austlandau....
That AU was just to perform tensile testing on the jaws of life!
Hoon cars are ALWAYS commies.. (With reverse peak-capped drivers)
Don't ya know anything??

[superroo]

I just hope it wasn't one of you guys who dangerously abandoned their car

So, definition of hoon behavior widens once again

http://www.kimwells.com.au/show_article.php?item=700

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by superroo

I just hope it wasn't one of you guys who dangerously abandoned their car

So, definition of hoon behavior widens once again

http://www.kimwells.com.au/show_article.php?item=700

That's not a widening of the definition. It refers to people who ignore or refuse the chance to pay the fines they incurred or the vehicle storage fees thereby passing ownership of their cars to the government.

[deadfish2]

Hate to burst the bubble but I get involved in cutting the cars apart at accidents type biz, but the ve commodores would have to be one of the best (common) car that gives the tools a run for there money.... Apart from top end euros...

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by deadfish2

Hate to burst the bubble but I get involved in cutting the cars apart at accidents type biz, but the ve commodores would have to be one of the best (common) car that gives the tools a run for there money.... Apart from top end euros...

Yep, I know a local Auto Engineer here that had to cut one up for the Ambulance Service to use as a training vehicle to practice extracting patients.

He had to cut it in all the areas you guys would to free an occupant so it was as accurate a simulation as they could manage, and I watched him working on it one day and he had a hell of a time getting through the B pillar.

Shame there are no pics here as it was quite interesting to see the inner structure that gives them their strength: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/s...-1226690983691

EDIT: This is it here: http://www.hwa.gov.au/sites/default/...ion%5B1%5D.png

[V8 Ghia Mike]

I'm not sure on the legalities of confiscated cars, but how do financial institutions react to their encumbered vehicles being taken away from customers to be scrapped?

Mike

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by V8 Ghia Mike

I'm not sure on the legalities of confiscated cars, but how do financial institutions react to their encumbered vehicles being taken away from customers to be scrapped?

Mike

They would pursue the debtor to hell and back. The fact they don't have a car to drive, doesn't change the fact they owe money.

Lets be honest many of these cars would be in poor nick and not get much at auction anyway, so perusing the debtor was always the plan.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by V8 Ghia Mike

I'm not sure on the legalities of confiscated cars, but how do financial institutions react to their encumbered vehicles being taken away from customers to be scrapped?

Mike

I'm also not sure of the legalities of confiscating cars. Hopefully somebody with a bottomless bank account will challenge the validity of these laws in court. I'd love to see how the government reacts when the court tells them they can't just take other people's property away.

As for encumbered cars being taken away, it doesn't change the fact that the customers owe money on the car. That money will have to be repaid, whether or not the customer is still in possession of the car.

[Franco Cozzo]

They should donate them to automotive TAFE centers around the country, we could have used something other than those ****** Holden engines from the 70s, the most modern equipment we had was from the 90s, it was one of those Holden V8s.

We had a few Holden I6s, a RB30 from a VL and a 3.8L V6 and 5L Holden V8 from the 90s.

We also had a VE Commodore but it was never used for anything apart from the scan tool section where you just had to plug it in and retrieve stored codes.

[Shonky.]

Yes, but the reason the vehicle is "secured" to the finance in this type of loan, is so the financial institution can sell the car to recover at least part of the outstanding loan if the borrower stops paying.

Just like you can't sell a car with finance against it, I don't see how the gov can take it from the legal owner, the financier.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by shonkymofo

Yes, but the reason the vehicle is "secured" to the finance in this type of loan, is so the financial institution can sell the car to recover at least part of the outstanding loan if the borrower stops paying.

Just like you can't sell a car with finance against it, I don't see how the gov can take it from the legal owner, the financier.

actually you can sell a car with finance against it, the buyer should ensure that arrangements are made to clear the debt prior to purchase.

many leases have an insurance component built in to cover the financier in case of default

just because there is finance against a car shouldn't stop it being seized, I'd say this has been thought through as part of its inception

[Trump]

I've said it before and it needs to be said again. Car confiscation is legalised theft, unless of course, we don't actually own our cars and are merely renting them from govco.

[The Yeti]

This is going against the grain here I know, but I have no problem with goon cars being taken and destroyed, I have these idiots out the front of my house most nights driving like they have no care for their car and even less for other people who may be arround.

These people drive out 5mins from town and think no one os there, we have no foot paths and as a result people walk on the hard shoulder, kids ride their bikes and these ****ets chuck skids at the intersection

Once we had on who lost it took out a tree and rolled, and after I got there saw they needed medical attention and called for the anbulance, fire brigade (fuel leaking from the vehicle) and the police come as a matter of course, the guy wanted to take me on for getting the cops

Personally I say take their cars cut them crush them what ever, if they are encumberd by finance that's their problem, I don't care if they have to continue to pay or have a default against them

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

This is going against the grain here I know, but I have no problem with goon cars being taken and destroyed, I have these idiots out the front of my house most nights driving like they have no care for their car and even less for other people who may be arround.

These people drive out 5mins from town and think no one os there, we have no foot paths and as a result people walk on the hard shoulder, kids ride their bikes and these ****ets chuck skids at the intersection

Once we had on who lost it took out a tree and rolled, and after I got there saw they needed medical attention and called for the anbulance, fire brigade (fuel leaking from the vehicle) and the police come as a matter of course, the guy wanted to take me on for getting the cops

Personally I say take their cars cut them crush them what ever, if they are encumberd by finance that's their problem, I don't care if they have to continue to pay or have a default against them

I totally agree with you. I have no problem if people hoon about in there cars where they can't hurt anyone but themselves thou it is wrong when you get idiots hooning around where there are kids and families about. What an idiot, wanting to fight you for trying to help him. Stupid idiot obviously didn't know that
When the ambulance/ fire brigade get called to a serious crash, the police are notified, you would think he would be thank full someone cared!!

[HELLOYOU]

Originally Posted by wildrider

I totally agree with you. I have no problem if people hoon about in there cars where they can't hurt anyone but themselves thou it is wrong when you get idiots hooning around where there are kids and families about. What an idiot, wanting to fight you for trying to help him. Stupid idiot obviously didn't know that
When the ambulance/ fire brigade get called to a serious crash, the police are notified, you would think he would be thank full someone cared!!

Totally agree, do the crime do the time.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

This is going against the grain here I know, but I have no problem with goon cars being taken and destroyed, I have these idiots out the front of my house most nights driving like they have no care for their car and even less for other people who may be arround.

Granted, there are idiots on the road. There always have been and always will be. However, unlike cars, driver's licences aren't property. Licences can, and should be taken away when a driver is behaving recklessly on the roads, but cars should not, simply because they are property to which the government have no right, certainly not without 'just cause' and compensation.

Unless, as Loud Noises said, they change the law so that we're not legally allowed to own cars, but merely to lease them ...

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by NX74205

However, unlike cars, driver's licences aren't property. Licences can, and should be taken away when a driver is behaving recklessly on the roads, but cars should not,

Unfortunately taking a license away doesn't stop many desperate's.

You often read in newspapers of unlicensed driver's being stopped/crashed/chased.

Perhaps a 'Big Brother' scenario where an offending driver wears an electronic bracelet that negates a cars ignition system
(yeah I know. I wouldn't work on older cars)

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Unfortunately taking a license away doesn't stop many desperate's.

You often read in newspapers of unlicensed driver's being stopped/crashed/chased.

Perhaps a 'Big Brother' scenario where an offending driver wears an electronic bracelet that negates a cars ignition system
(yeah I know. I wouldn't work on older cars)

Not a bad idea thou, i was sort of thinking of a two strikes and your in gaol policy, first offence for unlicenced driving would be a massive fine of minimum $1000 (more depending on severity of offence) and if that same person gets caught again driving unlicenced within ten years of first offence its instant gaol. Might stop some of the repeat offenders??

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Unfortunately taking a license away doesn't stop many desperate's

Then deregister the car. Confiscate the number plate. Put hoons in jail. They could've done one or more of these things to get them off the road instead of taking their car away. I'm all for being tough on hoons, so long as it does not result in what is essentially "legalised theft".