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07-11-2016, 11:09 AM | #1 | |||
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07-11-2016, 12:35 PM | #2 | ||
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That's Great, but where are the two Toyotas in that segment?
Pajero despite its apparent ride issue is pretty good value for money and the best fuel economy
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07-11-2016, 03:33 PM | #3 | ||
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Haven't they compared the wrong Pajero with the Everest?
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07-11-2016, 03:36 PM | #4 | ||
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I wouldn't call those vehicles 4WD, more like soft roader.
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07-11-2016, 05:03 PM | #5 | ||
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I tried to get that point across a few months ago when the Everest won another award. But according to some here the Everest is the ultimate in 4 drivability.
Brand loyalty can make some a little naive. But you are correct. At best a very capable soft reader.
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07-11-2016, 06:22 PM | #6 | ||
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What does a vehicle have to have to make it a 4WD?
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07-11-2016, 06:49 PM | #7 | ||
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Technically? High and Low range, plus front and rear diffs.
What should it have? Ladder chassis, proper ground clearance with good approach, breakover and departure angles, oh and live axles! But this statement is the most bogus "to find the best off-roader" None of those are the best off-roader. |
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08-11-2016, 09:35 AM | #9 | |||
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If the cars were made to suit a handful of off roaders they wouldn't sell, they need to be suited to the tarmac where the spend most of their time & also need to pass ancap ratings There plenty of aftermarket mods to make them all proper off roaders, and many enjoy doing all these mods to get the car they want. even though those mods destroy economy - safety -handling etc.
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08-11-2016, 12:33 PM | #10 | |||
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07-11-2016, 09:29 PM | #11 | ||
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GQ patrol on 35's, open diffs, home made rock sliders, straight through exhaust. Or keep those mods but swap out the gq for an 80 series cruiser
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08-11-2016, 09:22 AM | #12 | ||
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08-11-2016, 04:49 PM | #13 | |||
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This comparison of a "real" 4WD is pretty pathetic. I guess a "real" family Falcon should have a carby 6 or 8, 3 speed auto (4 speed manual if you prefer) AM radio, rear drum brakes, no air con, manual windows etc, etc, etc.... Some need to move with the times. This isn't a pi55ing contest, but my 2 month old Jeep did the VHC including Monument track on the factory 20's without getting into low range, and Melb Cup weekend it did the Blue Rag track on AT 18's in pouring rain without needing low range either. The 3 others in the car (who own other 4WD's) were rather surprised by its abilities, and I bet you'd be surprised by the Everest's abilities too, if you'd give it half a chance....
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08-11-2016, 05:21 PM | #14 | |||
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Hi mate i was just kidding around and describing what most of the "hardcore" 4x4ers use hence the "open diffs" ect. I know what the newer 4wds are capable of as a lot come with rear diff lock or fancy traction control and would flog a big jacked up open diff 4wd in a lot of situations. You can get most places in australia no problems with an ifs ute on 31s but yes if your the type of guy who likes to do that huge rutted 100m hill off to the side of the track that has a perfectly fine chicken track around it for the "soft roaders" then by all means there is only a few vehicles on the market that are really suited for that.
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07-11-2016, 05:07 PM | #15 | ||
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Your kidding me right, those cars are not 4x4's, take them up the high country and see how many diffs and sumps are left on the rocks
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07-11-2016, 05:34 PM | #16 | ||
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I find it offensive that some members are insinuating that a car magazine may have got the winner of an award wrong.
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07-11-2016, 06:12 PM | #17 | ||
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Misleading title by Drive. Should be "Most vapid soft-roader".
They don't even pass as soccermum cars. |
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08-11-2016, 08:36 AM | #19 | ||
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Oh look! Everest wins 4x4 again and again and again, it must be time for the magazines to throw in the towel, no matter how much sugar coating they put on the Everest, it isn't translated into registrations.
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08-11-2016, 08:49 AM | #20 | ||
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Hate every car that isn't a Ford, hate every Ford that isn't a Falcon.
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08-11-2016, 03:30 PM | #21 | ||
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08-11-2016, 03:38 PM | #22 | |||
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Either way it is time this place was closed down based on that...there are no "australian" Fords.
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08-11-2016, 03:56 PM | #23 | ||
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08-11-2016, 10:22 AM | #24 | ||
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Many owners need a 4WD to drive along the highways and be able to confidently tow their caravan or boat into muddy caravan parks and boat ramps without getting stuck. This is still driving off the road, or 'offroading'...
Not necessarily for potholey and muddy bush tracks or rocky creek beds, where those vehicles would most likely need to be significantly modified for the purpose intended, even though they may have already been a capable offroader off the showroom floor. The definition of "offroader" is murky because of the vastly differing terrains that vehicles may be required to drive on. |
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08-11-2016, 12:46 PM | #25 | |||
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08-11-2016, 12:39 PM | #26 | ||
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An Everest, if anything like the Ranger, with a decent set of tyres will go far enough offroad for 99% of buyers. The other 1% will be modifying any vehicle to get to where they want to go.
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08-11-2016, 03:26 PM | #27 | ||
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I think what many people disagree with is that the claimed "Best 4WD" and "Best Off roader" is a competition between 3 boring soft-roaders. Where is the Patrol, the 200 or 70 series cruiser, The Jeep Wrangler?
Maybe if they called it something like "Best all-rounder 4WD" it'd be more accurate, factoring in price, on-road comfort, fuel economy, clearance at shopping centre carparks etc that would make more sense. But to say "Best off-roader" to me is just plain inaccurate. |
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08-11-2016, 10:13 PM | #28 | ||
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Best 4wd with no LC or Disco in the test? What criteria did they use to end up with just these three?
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08-11-2016, 11:41 PM | #29 | |||
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My guess is they had a price range a family could afford at around the mid $50k mark with the slightly more expensive Patrol thrown in as representative of a well respected, large off-roader as a guide point. |
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08-11-2016, 10:36 PM | #30 | ||
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I would not take any of those soft roaders where I routinely take my gu. Another Toyota sponsored road test?
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