Protest

[stiddy]

IM sure your all aware of the NEW p plater rules coming in the 11 of July.

There is going to be a Mass protest on saturday the 20th of this month
For all the P platers.
People and there cars high performance and not will be showing up at either penrith blacktown and parramatta RTA's

Please alert all our fellow p platers.

WE NEED TO BE HEARD

Forward message. Being posted everywhere.

[EA2BA]

Be heard all you like, but I am sure the amount of canaries handed out that day is going to be huge, good luck with it, but since when does the government ever listen.

[FRDGAL]

The 20th falls on a Monday not a Saturday

[Polyal]

haha yeah ok...this should be funny to watch.

If you are going to be on the news I was going to suggest a FF.com.au sticker but it might be bad publicity :/

[dogbreath_48]

Yeah it'll be a bunch of fully sick habib ****ers, giving us all a bad name again.

[TheSneakiness]

One thing to say.

Build a bridge.

You aren't going to win.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by stiddy

IM sure your all aware of the NEW p plater rules coming in the 11 of July.

There is going to be a Mass protest on saturday the 20th of this month
For all the P platers.
People and there cars high performance and not will be showing up at either penrith blacktown and parramatta RTA's

Please alert all our fellow p platers.

WE NEED TO BE HEARD

Forward message. Being posted everywhere.

But those that have their P's before the 11th of July won't be affected apparently. Unsure how they plan to police that exactly...

Personally, I don't think it's that bad an idea. The first few years of driving on Sydney roads should be spent concentrating on getting to know the road. When you're off your P's, and usually more likely to be able to afford a decent car *and* insure it then you'll hopefully have conquered all the basics.

Seen too many P platers in cars they couldn't handle do too many boneheaded things around me.

[Rodp]

There should be a method of receiving an exemption, particularly those out in rural areas where V8's (and I heard P platers banned from 4WD's too) are a lot more prevelant and some would deem neccessary. Having to complete advanced driver training, etc.

[hqtunna]

yeah anyone who has there P's a;ready wont be affected by it.

good luck with the protest, i doubt it will change their views on this topic though

[Spaniard]

I am a P-plater myself and I don't think that your voice will be heard. From what I saw on Today Tonight/A Current Affair when the coppers stopped a p-plater car, the guys were singing "Old McDonald" to the coppers! With having to put up with shit like that I don't think you'll be getting much sympathy with this law.

In the mean time, just be thankful that it won't be effecting you (from what they say).

[svo347]

ok west aussie here... What are the new rules??

[svo347]

Originally Posted by svo347

ok west aussie here... What are the new rules??

BUMP out:

[4.9 EF Futura]

The voice may not be heard - but that's no reason not to protest.

Enjoy your freedom of association and your right to protest. Cant help but echo the sentiments it will likely be a bunch of habibi ****ers... but they are citizens too.

[Soundwarp]

How long do you have to be on P plates for?

[Soundwarp]

You may hate me for this but i think i agree with the government!
You personaly may not be a problem but the number of P plate morons is growing!

Hey if it was me then id be angry too!

[deesun]

OK so really what percentage drivers are we talking about here 3%,5%,or 10%. It ONLY affects V8s and Turbo cars and a few F**kwits who have already lost their license once. It doesn't affect tossers in clapped out VLs etc. Find out the real statistics as to how many P platers were killed in these types of cars and you will find the net effect will be SFA. Then they will bring in more draconian rules You can still pile 5 kids in a laser and at 100kph the result will be the same,more dead kids. My P plate son will still able to drive my BA XR6 (yeah right) but not allowed to drive a 10yr old V8 which doesn't produce as much power,go figure. Which one do you think he can afford. What about a low blow Turbo SAAB 2ltr even less power still, sorry young fella. Or will there be a list of what they can and can't drive like in VIC.

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by deesun

OK so really what percentage drivers are we talking about here 3%,5%,or 10%. It ONLY affects V8s and Turbo cars and a few F**kwits who have already lost their license once. It doesn't affect tossers in clapped out VLs etc. Find out the real statistics as to how many P platers were killed in these types of cars and you will find the net effect will be SFA.

I don't know about that... Nearly every weekend there's a story about a fatality or serious injury involving a P plater and a hi-po car, issues with illegal street racing or knobends doing laps around this weeks site of the day causing issues on a Friday or Saturday night.

At least in Sydney, it's a different culture among some car enthusiasts than it used to be. I had been to a couple of off street drags in the late 80's and I had also been on my fair share of street meets and it was a bunch of car enthusiasts getting together and being social, and stemming from that (as part of organised car enthusiast groups) that culture still goes on. Thankfully it's also passing the torch to the next gen of car enthusiasts (plenty of them on this site) to carry on that tradition. Good clean fun and socialising within a group interest.

There's another breed of 'enthusiast' but I don't know if they can even be called that, who indulge in fast cars but get together mainly to cause trouble or indulge in bonehead acts. The "Fast and Furious" crowd. I think that partly this law has been passed to help curb that behaviour as well, but until they issue batons instead of purses for police officers to keep their testes, we're still going to have these issues in Sydney.

I'm sure it was on this site not so long ago about a link to a ricer cruise along the F3 that got busted up and a few cars defected that we all had a chuckle about... however, you could see the destructive mentality among them as the thread got heated. It's not just about trying to remove the potential to get a car that can go from 0 to oops quicker than the inexperienced driver can handle but to also attempt to break up the anti-social behaviour that's harboured within it.

Shit I sound old.

[MITCHAY]

Good luck but they will win eventually with all the defects they will hand out. Its going to be a great revenue raising day for them.

[Soundwarp]

Originally Posted by Rodp

I don't know about that... Nearly every weekend there's a story about a fatality or serious injury involving a P plater and a hi-po car, issues with illegal street racing or knobends doing laps around this weeks site of the day causing issues on a Friday or Saturday night.

At least in Sydney, it's a different culture among some car enthusiasts than it used to be. I had been to a couple of off street drags in the late 80's and I had also been on my fair share of street meets and it was a bunch of car enthusiasts getting together and being social, and stemming from that (as part of organised car enthusiast groups) that culture still goes on. Thankfully it's also passing the torch to the next gen of car enthusiasts (plenty of them on this site) to carry on that tradition. Good clean fun and socialising within a group interest.

There's another breed of 'enthusiast' but I don't know if they can even be called that, who indulge in fast cars but get together mainly to cause trouble or indulge in bonehead acts. The "Fast and Furious" crowd. I think that partly this law has been passed to help curb that behaviour as well, but until they issue batons instead of purses for police officers to keep their testes, we're still going to have these issues in Sydney.

I'm sure it was on this site not so long ago about a link to a ricer cruise along the F3 that got busted up and a few cars defected that we all had a chuckle about... however, you could see the destructive mentality among them as the thread got heated. It's not just about trying to remove the potential to get a car that can go from 0 to oops quicker than the inexperienced driver can handle but to also attempt to break up the anti-social behaviour that's harboured within it.

Shit I sound old.

Fully 2nd-ed!

Originally Posted by Rodp

I don't know about that... Nearly every weekend there's a story about a fatality or serious injury involving a P plater and a hi-po car, issues with illegal street racing or knobends doing laps around this weeks site of the day causing issues on a Friday or Saturday night.

At least in Sydney, it's a different culture among some car enthusiasts than it used to be. I had been to a couple of off street drags in the late 80's and I had also been on my fair share of street meets and it was a bunch of car enthusiasts getting together and being social, and stemming from that (as part of organised car enthusiast groups) that culture still goes on. Thankfully it's also passing the torch to the next gen of car enthusiasts (plenty of them on this site) to carry on that tradition. Good clean fun and socialising within a group interest.

There's another breed of 'enthusiast' but I don't know if they can even be called that, who indulge in fast cars but get together mainly to cause trouble or indulge in bonehead acts. The "Fast and Furious" crowd. I think that partly this law has been passed to help curb that behaviour as well, but until they issue batons instead of purses for police officers to keep their testes, we're still going to have these issues in Sydney.

I'm sure it was on this site not so long ago about a link to a ricer cruise along the F3 that got busted up and a few cars defected that we all had a chuckle about... however, you could see the destructive mentality among them as the thread got heated. It's not just about trying to remove the potential to get a car that can go from 0 to oops quicker than the inexperienced driver can handle but to also attempt to break up the anti-social behaviour that's harboured within it.

Shit I sound old.

Thats great except that i the unlikely event they obey the new restrictions they are just going to be driving a different car while doing the exact same thing. I don't know what makes people think that people who BREAK laws are going to obey a few new ones. Maybe they should ban speeding or something : : :

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by lizardmech

Thats great except that i the unlikely event they obey the new restrictions they are just going to be driving a different car while doing the exact same thing. I don't know what makes people think that people who BREAK laws are going to obey a few new ones. Maybe they should ban speeding or something : : :

Why would they neccessarily be doing exactly the same thing? Had the guy driving a Skyline in Cronulla who hit and disintegrated a pedestrian been driving my first car... firstly, I doubt he would have been involved in a street race to begin with and secondly, we probably would still have time to yell and warn the pedestrian to look out for the blue Escort. :P He's got quite a while to think about his driving habits while he's doing his best not to drop the soap now though.

I don't know where you're from but I highly suspect you haven't been on the road late at night in Sydney and been surrounded by ricers on P's harrassing you. I have. Several times. It's not like these idiots that decide that 160 in a 40 zone is a good idea are only putting themselves at risk, they're putting everyone who uses the road at risk, and most importantly, putting ME at risk!

Travelling home late at night on the M5, I was cruising at around 120kph west just past King Georges exit. 5 buzz boxing ricers caught up to me like I was standing still and surrounded my car and were attempting to get me to give them a rolling drag. I wouldn't comply. They boxed me in and started to slow down, so I picked up the phone and started dialling while my window was down. They didn't stick around after that.

Learning to exist on the same strip of road that many other cars attempt to share is a steep learning curve in itself without doing it in a car that can potentially swap ends with a mistimed blip of the throttle. When they've had some experience on the road, had a reduction in testosterone and hopefully learned some impulse control, they're free to drive whatever the hell they like.

Originally Posted by Rodp

Why would they neccessarily be doing exactly the same thing? Had the guy driving a Skyline in Cronulla who hit and disintegrated a pedestrian been driving my first car... firstly, I doubt he would have been involved in a street race to begin with and secondly, we probably would still have time to yell and warn the pedestrian to look out for the blue Escort. :P He's got quite a while to think about his driving habits while he's doing his best not to drop the soap now though.

I don't know where you're from but I highly suspect you haven't been on the road late at night in Sydney and been surrounded by ricers on P's harrassing you. I have. Several times. It's not like these idiots that decide that 160 in a 40 zone is a good idea are only putting themselves at risk, they're putting everyone who uses the road at risk, and most importantly, putting ME at risk!

Travelling home late at night on the M5, I was cruising at around 120kph west just past King Georges exit. 5 buzz boxing ricers caught up to me like I was standing still and surrounded my car and were attempting to get me to give them a rolling drag. I wouldn't comply. They boxed me in and started to slow down, so I picked up the phone and started dialling while my window was down. They didn't stick around after that.

Learning to exist on the same strip of road that many other cars attempt to share is a steep learning curve in itself without doing it in a car that can potentially swap ends with a mistimed blip of the throttle. When they've had some experience on the road, had a reduction in testosterone and hopefully learned some impulse control, they're free to drive whatever the hell they like.

Well older 6 cylinder commodores can do 200 km/h and I doubt they will cease being idiots after the new law comes into affect. Saying that performance cars swap ends with a blip of the throttle is ridiculous.

[xyute]

Originally Posted by Rodp

They boxed me in and started to slow down, so I picked up the phone and started dialling while my window was down. They didn't stick around after that.

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Alternatively. a bunch of turbo ricers tried that with a mate of mine in his warmed up XT GT. He eased up to the rear of the one in front of him and started pushing, needless to say Turbo ricer cant outrun the XT, Ricer bubbles everywhere. Not that i'm condoning that sort of thing. Was pretty though

Originally Posted by deesun

OK so really what percentage drivers are we talking about here 3%,5%,or 10%. It ONLY affects V8s and Turbo cars and a few F**kwits who have already lost their license once. It doesn't affect tossers in clapped out VLs etc. Find out the real statistics as to how many P platers were killed in these types of cars and you will find the net effect will be SFA. Then they will bring in more draconian rules You can still pile 5 kids in a laser and at 100kph the result will be the same,more dead kids. My P plate son will still able to drive my BA XR6 (yeah right) but not allowed to drive a 10yr old V8 which doesn't produce as much power,go figure. Which one do you think he can afford. What about a low blow Turbo SAAB 2ltr even less power still, sorry young fella. Or will there be a list of what they can and can't drive like in VIC.

Thats the thing isnt it.

1996 EL Falcon V8 165kw
1996 VS Commodore V8 165kw

2005 BA Falcon I6 182kw
2005 VZ Commodore V6 190kw


Stupid rules from ****ers in the NSW govt. Mr Costa ,Mr Carr Mr Scully :

I think they have been down in Mr Bracks Underpants

Originally Posted by james

Thats the thing isnt it.

1996 EL Falcon V8 165kw
1996 VS Commodore V8 165kw

2005 BA Falcon I6 182kw
2005 VZ Commodore V6 190kw

True, also:

96 EL Falcon V8 165kw weighed around 1500-1550kg with no abs (i think) and only driver airbag and 15inch wheels and skinny tyres, live rear end.

05 BA Falcon I6 182kw weighs over 1700kg, has 2 airbags and ABS, and 16inch wheels and tyres, IRS.

It really needs to target power to weight more than anything else rather than just turbos and v8's.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by RATT

True, also:

96 EL Falcon V8 165kw weighed around 1500-1550kg with no abs (i think) and only driver airbag and 15inch wheels and skinny tyres, live rear end.

05 BA Falcon I6 182kw weighs over 1700kg, has 2 airbags and ABS, and 16inch wheels and tyres, IRS.

It really needs to target power to weight more than anything else rather than just turbos and v8's.

which has been the law in vic for as long as I can remember. So if anything they can tighten that and all will be fine.

This is getting alot more air time than it deserves.

[Soundwarp]

There looking in the right direction but!

My 19 yr old son has not had his L's for long and has last week purchased his brother Gambits EL XR8 from him, so now he has a car to pay off that he won't be legally allowed to drive :

[Polyal]

yeap that bites but them the brakes...

SVO347 - basically in NSW they are bringing in a law to P platers cannot drive V8's and turbos on their P's. Simple; lets just see if its effective. Atleast they are trying to do something and its better than nothing.

[TURBOTAXI]

Stopping dead from 45km per hour (say a body hitting a concrete slab) that is well and truly sufficient for massive internal injury and or fatality. I think if ppl are going to speed they wil do it in whatever they are in. I think the rules are just ridiculous because a standard BA falcon will outdo an old 302 XC. How about all those 253 commies out there??? This is a sad day for Australia. My first car was a 351 powered XD, I was 17 and that thing scared the S**T out of me. I learned respect for power, I understood much more about handling any car because I had to modulate throttle and be aware of the cars balance, something a Corolla driver would only be distantly aware of.
I feel sorry for all those kids in the country who only have one family car (like a turbo diesel ute or v8 fairlane/Statesman.
This is Australia - since when are we told what cars we can drive???? This is an act of bastadry that has no evidence to support it. I think it is disgusting that politicians are patting themselves on the back thinking they have done the right thing when there are no facts that say that their action will make any difference to road tolls AT ALL.
Stock 4 cyl and 6 cyl cars still so over 200k's per hour, and you still die if you hit something at that speed. I am disgusted.