Hoons... Give them somewhere to go!

Bass Crazy · 02-08-2006, 08:39 AM

Hey guys,

Not sure if this has been discussed yet, but last night while watching the news I saw a report of a new useless attempt to cut street racing. This latest and greatest invention allows you to have your car strapped up to a dyno which inputs your cars acceleration, steering and braking into a simulated racetrack which is displayed in front of you on a large screen.

Personally, I don’t see the point in this al all from a hoon perspective(might be good for L platers). There is no sensation of acceleration or braking since your car does not move at all. Its basically an expensive way to play a computer game if you ask me.

When will these guys come up with a real solution?

Here is an idea for them, the vic government should give funds to open calder park every night (thunder dome, burnout pad included), drop entry fees down to $10 for racing and in time, the place will soon be flooded with every P plater and his hoon box as it does not cost a mint to use the track.

My 2c for the day. (Just sick of seeing useless ideas having money spent on them)

EA2BA · 02-08-2006, 08:54 AM

This has been discusses before, thread probably locked and deleted, as I suspect will happen with this one as it drifts way off topic and into personal attacks (i hope it doesnt).

The bottom line is the hoons like the thrill and instant avaliability of a street race and the fact they dont have to drive to a track wait hours to have 2 runs and go home, let alone dont need a helmet etc, etc or even a safe car, so it will not solve much at all I am afraid to say.

evlelf · 02-08-2006, 09:52 AM

yea they'll never get rid of street racing... they just make every P plater broke by defecting his/her vehicle wherever they can. Trying to push everyone into driving a hyandai excel. :( That T.V idea is uselss..
All of my mates and myself who love a burnout and a race would be happy to go to a legal track to do it.. they need to invest money into more strips around VIC, there is heeps of space to do it..

frost · 02-08-2006, 09:53 AM

That expensive computer game was dragtag.

LTDHO · 02-08-2006, 10:25 AM

Bass Crazy are you talking about Dragtag in Victoria???

It's nothing like the real thing (I don't do either)

Hotwire · 02-08-2006, 10:26 AM

At least you guys in VIC have 2 tracks to choose from, Calder and Heathcote. Here in SA we don't even have an operating 1/4 mile at the moment. AIR has been out of action since November last year, and its not looking like opening any time soon. When it was open, there was 1 street meet PER MONTH and they are usually full of competition cars because they can't get regular practice either. We haven't had competition racing (ie. full season) for over 6 years. The only strip we have is a 1/8 strip in the riverland, approx 3 hours from Adelaide.

So that is SA's dire situation.. but on the original topic, I do believe governments need to do much more than hand out hooning fines and impounding cars... EVLELF has a good point ;)

EFFalcon · 02-08-2006, 11:14 AM

my favourite part from that news peice was what the copper said and i quote

"The people who have used this system have told us they won't do it on the street anymore"

because yeah... if a cop came up and asked me if i was gunna hoon on the street, i'd tell them the truth :|
They also avoided the truth about pricing too, to the public it looks like a cheap way to 'hoon' but those who have looked into it know its not that cheap.

they also showed circuit tag on the TV, not drag tag.
circuit tag might be better then drag tag, but will the pricing be the same?

Kenster · 02-08-2006, 11:30 AM

if they are going to do that might as well put Sandown on its list for full circuit run

MIEF9640 · 02-08-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bass Crazy

Hey guys,

Not sure if this has been discussed yet, but last night while watching the news I saw a report of a new useless attempt to cut street racing. This latest and greatest invention allows you to have your car strapped up to a dyno which inputs your cars acceleration, steering and braking into a simulated racetrack which is displayed in front of you on a large screen.

Personally, I don’t see the point in this al all from a hoon perspective(might be good for L platers). There is no sensation of acceleration or braking since your car does not move at all. Its basically an expensive way to play a computer game if you ask me.

When will these guys come up with a real solution?

Here is an idea for them, the vic government should give funds to open calder park every night (thunder dome, burnout pad included), drop entry fees down to $10 for racing and in time, the place will soon be flooded with every P plater and his hoon box as it does not cost a mint to use the track.

My 2c for the day. (Just sick of seeing useless ideas having money spent on them)

just so you realise the reason racing at a legal track is so expensive is the fact that he has public liability to cover he also supplies track insurance that if you are injured you are covered . Calder and heathcote and not to forget sandown have by law to have i am not sure of the exact figure but multi millions of dollars coverage just for being associated with motorsport. I don't see you getting that on the street you have an accident or injure someone your **** is on the line at the track his is on the line. Plus at the track is an ambo, firries towies sure beats the street. This is another reason why i am trying to work with you blokes to give you an outlet to not only run yourself but other guy's from within e-series........

Bass Crazy · 02-08-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

just so you realise the reason racing at a legal track is so expensive is the fact that he has public liability to cover he also supplies track insurance that if you are injured you are covered . Calder and heathcote and not to forget sandown have by law to have i am not sure of the exact figure but multi millions of dollars coverage just for being associated with motorsport. I don't see you getting that on the street you have an accident or injure someone your **** is on the line at the track his is on the line. Plus at the track is an ambo, firries towies sure beats the street. This is another reason why i am trying to work with you blokes to give you an outlet to not only run yourself but other guy's from within e-series........

Thats fair enough, and I understand that completely as I know a few of the people who are involved in organising calder park meets etc. It all comes down to money(which is what they tellme as well), which is why motorsport complexes need government assistance to meet costs.
Im sure Victoria police spend a fair bit of taxpayers money on trying to control street racing, might be worth directing the money elsewhere... to a possible soloution perhaps.

Most people only see the shorterm costs(especially younger people), and wont care much for having a safe environment if it means they have to shell out a decent ammount of money to do so, not forgetting that these guys often struggle to pay for the fuel that goes into their car (uni students etc.).

evlelf · 02-08-2006, 02:27 PM

Thats it.. people street race because its free.. anywhere, anytime. 90% of 'hoons' dont give a rats about having an ambulance near by.. because of course they're not going to crash and injure someone... so they think.

With the amount of racing, drags, burnouts that realisticly happens, the amount of deaths on the roads is not that high. Crashes in built up areas happen all the time with all kinds of people.

The authorities are without a doubt going about their business the wrong way. Modifying cars is the biggest hobby kids have these days, and its only getting bigger. Government needs to cater for that interest and create a 'safe' place for people to do it.. not try and stop it.

Gunns · 02-08-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by evlelf

The authorities are without a doubt going about their business the wrong way. Modifying cars is the biggest hobby kids have these days, and its only getting bigger. Government needs to cater for that interest and create a 'safe' place for people to do it.. not try and stop it.

Hit the nail on the head!
This man should be priminister. Evlelf for PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

gozza · 04-08-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunns

Hit the nail on the head!
This man should be priminister. Evlelf for PM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This man needs Knee Pads

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frost · 02-08-2006, 11:58 AM

i rekon it would be more as they have to attach more sensors to your steering....

frost · 02-08-2006, 12:01 PM

Iv driven on drag tag, yeah its a bit of fun, iv also driven on heathcote, nothing like really moving down a track. Look drag tag is a what ever weather goes type track, but nothing really beats driving down heathcote park. I had fun winning getting the fastest time in a particular car, but didnt have fun fixing the clutch afterwards.

Also heres a suggestion, Dont hoon. simple dont do anything remotely hoonish in a city area.

When you get to the country though where I am, there are some best straight roads around the place, good corners and great places to go "hoon" about without getting caught or causing trouble to anyone

EA2BA · 02-08-2006, 02:53 PM

Yeah but just like a skate park, everyone says we need them, but no one wants it anywhere near them.

DaNeoS · 02-08-2006, 03:36 PM

dont know if any of you guys heard about this, but for us people down southeast suburbs, there was talk that the owner of the Tooradin airport was trying to get authority to turn a old run way into a drag strip? has anyone heard any more of this? i heard this off a few coppers.

EFFalcon · 02-08-2006, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaNeoS

dont know if any of you guys heard about this, but for us people down southeast suburbs, there was talk that the owner of the Tooradin airport was trying to get authority to turn a old run way into a drag strip? has anyone heard any more of this? i heard this off a few coppers.

I heard the same, the run way is 1 km long so is perfectly suited for a drag strip.
Someone said the staff of heathcote (who live in cranbourne) have something to do with it.
who knows.

DaNeoS · 02-08-2006, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

I heard the same, the run way is 1 km long so is perfectly suited for a drag strip.
Someone said the staff of heathcote (who live in cranbourne) have something to do with it.
who knows.

yes as i got caught at local illegal drags in my dads car doing stupid things, then when i went into the cop shop i told them why i was doing it there cause we have no where else to go and to travel to calder and back and etc with entry fee fuel etc we would be broke, and they told me about the the guy applying for the ok from the government to do it, they rekon that it will happen just dont know when, if so it would give us south east people a closer place to go, rather than 1 1/2 to get to calder...

naughts · 02-08-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaNeoS

dont know if any of you guys heard about this, but for us people down southeast suburbs, there was talk that the owner of the Tooradin airport was trying to get authority to turn a old run way into a drag strip? has anyone heard any more of this? i heard this off a few coppers.

I have spoken to the owner of the airport.
He is still going thru council.
It will be 1/8 mile drag strip. He has heathcotes old timing gear.
He is also planning a skid pan and small track. (MotoX too i think)
He is planning to run WED night drags.
It will also be used for driver training and education.

DOC · 02-08-2006, 04:01 PM

I support the idea of cheap track day for all activities be it drag burn out or track, i would also support the thinking bring it to the track is cool, do on the streets and your an idiot.

The track coud be also combined with discounted driver training / free / cheap car inspections for saftey and even general car maintenance (S). Even the police could be involved in a freindly way with help and advice for youger drivers and build up a good rep with those who wish to do the right thing. if govt's / private sector combined the govt of the day could be on the right track with a track like this.

just my 2c

Joes_meat · 02-08-2006, 04:17 PM

I'm in SA and I think we really need something like this.

Hell, I've been thinking about getting a Go Kart but I've no idea where I could race it cheaply.

EFDream · 02-08-2006, 08:15 PM

I reckon if all hoons quit racing suddenly, the govt might have to find some other way of earning cash as fining tends to be a good source of income.......lol

EBFalcs · 02-08-2006, 08:31 PM

cant people sign a form saying that the owner of the track is not responsible for any injury or accident,

if someone makes a track

Devious Jet · 03-08-2006, 06:06 PM

The trouble is houses......My ex lives in Truganina, just near hoppers and there was going to be a place called Adrenalin I think built not far from there.....with a full 1/4 mile, and speed way track and so forth, it was all approved, the land bought and construction started, then the land right next to it was bought, and a full housing estate approved, therefor forcing the developers of adrenalin to cancel all works, as the area had been rezoned to suit the housing.

Bass Crazy · 04-08-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Devious Jet

The trouble is houses......My ex lives in Truganina, just near hoppers and there was going to be a place called Adrenalin I think built not far from there.....with a full 1/4 mile, and speed way track and so forth, it was all approved, the land bought and construction started, then the land right next to it was bought, and a full housing estate approved, therefor forcing the developers of adrenalin to cancel all works, as the area had been rezoned to suit the housing.

Yeah I remember that... im still shattered.

I will be building my house about 3km away from calder park. I bought the land knowing I will have to put up with the occasional roar of an engine hooning around in the distance.

If it annoys me, Ill close my door/window.

MIEF9640 · 04-08-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Devious Jet

The trouble is houses......My ex lives in Truganina, just near hoppers and there was going to be a place called Adrenalin I think built not far from there.....with a full 1/4 mile, and speed way track and so forth, it was all approved, the land bought and construction started, then the land right next to it was bought, and a full housing estate approved, therefor forcing the developers of adrenalin to cancel all works, as the area had been rezoned to suit the housing.

You are way to uninformed to make statements as such everything was a go had the full backing of parliment, drag racing clubs and competeitors but decided he needed the funds better than anyone else . has been caught and dealt with but was shy on the original funds. check facts before making statements as it is zoned industrial around the whole area and was even approved by the prison in vacinity.

Devious Jet · 05-08-2006, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MIZJ8141

You are way to uninformed to make statements as such everything was a go had the full backing of parliment, drag racing clubs and competeitors but decided he needed the funds better than anyone else . has been caught and dealt with but was shy on the original funds. check facts before making statements as it is zoned industrial around the whole area and was even approved by the prison in vacinity.

Well Im sorry I am not in the know as much as you are, but as a local resident at the time, (A house in the middle of nowhere just down the road from the proposed side), the information we recieved from our local MP was that the site was being built, and we were even given an estimated finishing date, then we were told by the same office some time later that construction had stopped due to the housing estate being built next door.

No need to get all nasty man.....It's just ment to be a friendly discussion.

evlelf · 05-08-2006, 09:15 AM

[QUOTE=No need to get all nasty man.....It's just ment to be a friendly discussion.[/QUOTE]

Too rite mate! no need to hav a go at the guy.. if he was wrong juzt correct him kindly... we're all fwiends here :P

MIEF9640 · 05-08-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Devious Jet

Well Im sorry I am not in the know as much as you are, but as a local resident at the time, (A house in the middle of nowhere just down the road from the proposed side), the information we recieved from our local MP was that the site was being built, and we were even given an estimated finishing date, then we were told by the same office some time later that construction had stopped due to the housing estate being built next door.

No need to get all nasty man.....It's just ment to be a friendly discussion.

no nastiness about it we all got had by adrenalin in a big way we as a drag racing club as were others totally duped by the developer he even attended a meeting night with all the plans etc and set about weaving a web of deceipt. Calder is in the same boat been there for 30 years and because of the developement who were asked at time of purchase to sign a waiver as to the noise etc then only to have local government overrode all of it. And the best one of all is the people who call themselves "freinds of the organ pipes" protested and used a forum that the noise effects the breeding cycle of the sugar gliders in the national park..go figure . Your local member was infact being diplomatic as to reasons why.....but being involved as long as i have then it is a statement of misinformation that will always kill any push for a new track. Efforts have now been going on for 10yrs or more long before any of this s**t started. That's also right it is a freindly forum and this was in noway a beatup on the bloke by me so let's all get behind any push for a venue god knows we have been pushing for one for long enough