Handling: Zetec vs LX

ardei · 25-11-2006, 10:41 AM

Hey Everyone,

17 year old here with a mind to get a Ford Fiesta Zetec in the near future because of all the rave reviews regarding its handling.

However, are the changes they made to the Zetec in terms of handling (and drive in general) worth their weight in cash or does the LX handle similarly (albeit a bit worse, cause of steel rims, etc) to the Zetec?

Being a student, saving money by buying a LX over a Zetec means a lot especially if the difference is minimal. So anyone who has driven both can they please comment, after all anyone can make an educated guess!

Oh and if anyone can just give me a quick run down of any handling modifications that run well on the Fiesta (Rear Swaybar [Does Whiteline stock them for Fiesta??], Wider front tyres?, etc)

Cheers,
Andrei.

Lagom · 25-11-2006, 10:45 AM

I wonder if the Zetec wheel/tyre combo actually weighs less than the LX.

I actually like driving Fiestas with the 15" combo - I'm one of these people that prefer smaller wheels (with the right tyre combo) to improve handling (i.e. reduce unsprung weight), as opposed to getting big wheels for looks. Eg. I wish the XR5 didn't have 18s.

The main advantage is that the Zetec has ContiSportContact 1s, which are a bit better than the standard Bridgestones on the LX. To be fair though, the LX is an excellent handling car - it just depends on how discerning you are as a driver.

Zetec would be a bit better, but don't forget that the original WP Zetecs had the same suspension as the LX.

ardei · 25-11-2006, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Lagom

Zetec would be a bit better, but don't forget that the original WP Zetecs had the same suspension as the LX.

So do the WQ Zetecs have a different suspension to the WQ LX's and WP Fiestas in general?

FlaminFiesta · 25-11-2006, 11:07 AM

yeah the new WQ zetec have better suspsension definetly spendin the extra money, and im prefer the smaller 15" wheels as well

lov ethe handling they give, but im not sure if bigger is better as i havent tried it for myself :o)

Piotr · 25-11-2006, 11:23 AM

The Zetec is definatly the pick of the bunch. You get ABS with EBD on the Zetec and upgraded suspension.

On the handling side of things the Zetec has lower, harder springs and dampers, thicker front sway bar, stiffer twist beam and low compliance bushes. It also has a close ratio box. These changes give the WQ Zetec the edge over an already excellent handing car.

I has a Stock WP zetec (which runs the WQ LX setup as the WP all got the same suspension) and fitted with some high performance rubber the speed it can go through corners gives many people a shock.

As for handling mods I wouldn't touch it until you have some KM's with the car under your belt. If your in Sydney come to a cruise and see how you feel with the car. That way you will know what the car does and what changes you want to make that suit your driving style. The Zetec can already pull 0.97g's(European spec, Ford Australia changes something but can't remember exactly what it was) which puts it right up there with other sports cars.

Easiest mod is the play with the tyre pressures and get a more performance orientated wheel alignment.

Ives · 25-11-2006, 12:04 PM

Thinking of getting Fiesta Zetec? Read this thread first... http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=75230

MoreHPformyXR6 · 25-11-2006, 12:29 PM

Ive only driven the LX but as you mention saving money as a student is not easy. For the dollars I wouldnt have thought WQ LX or WQ Zetec would be much different in handiling (both are great handling cars). The Zetec would give you a tad more of everything above the LX. Better 16inch tyres as opposed to 15inch Bridges on LX being one of the majors IMO. You can add $700 ABS/EBD on manual LX. As Ford is running LX (3 Door) Drive away atm $16490 & I know a dealer here in Adelaide is running out same set up out driveway for $15800 (new) so option up ABS $16500 drive away. If the plain is to put alloys/better tryres on some time down the track its good value. As im not a student (work f/t) I would personally go the Zetec if it was me. But value for money which is your question id say LX. As for the manual gearbox id love to know 4sure if someone could tell me 4sure is there any differeance in the manual gearbox of LX (WQ) or Zetec (WQ). (I was under the understanding there exactly the same).

Piotr · 25-11-2006, 12:47 PM

WQ LX
1st: 3.15
2nd: 1.93
3rd: 1.28
4th: 0.95
5th: 0.76
Final: 4.25

WQ Zetec
1st: 3.58
2nd: 2.04
3rd: 1.41
4th: 1.11
5th: 0.88
Final: 4.06

zing · 25-11-2006, 03:11 PM

if u want the zetec, and want a compromse with $$ savings, then why not buy a used low km WQ Zetec?

ardei · 25-11-2006, 03:20 PM

I'm actually a firm believer (well at this stage in my financial position anyway...) in buying used <3yr old cars opposed to new ones. So the delivery isn't much of a problem for me.

Never really asked about the gear ratios, however I was aware that the Zetec manual has different ratios to the other models.

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Originally Posted by Piotr

On the handling side of things the Zetec has lower, harder springs and dampers, thicker front sway bar, stiffer twist beam and low compliance bushes. It also has a close ratio box. These changes give the WQ Zetec the edge over an already excellent handing car.

Yeh, I don't think I could live knowing that I could've got something just a little better. After all, it is the little things that count. But this will come down to me test driving both cars and making up my own mind. So until then, I'll keep speculating.

As for the cruise, sure I'd love to come along once. I'll just need assurance that there will be Fiesta's there on the day.

On a side note: I sat in the Zetec at the motorshow and for a Light 3dr car, that had good leg, head and shoulder room in the back seat!

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photn · 26-11-2006, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ardei

I'm actually a firm believer (well at this stage in my financial position anyway...) in buying used <3yr old cars opposed to new ones. So the delivery isn't much of a problem for me.

Never really asked about the gear ratios, however I was aware that the Zetec manual has different ratios to the other models.

Yeh, I don't think I could live knowing that I could've got something just a little better. After all, it is the little things that count. But this will come down to me test driving both cars and making up my own mind. So until then, I'll keep speculating.

As for the cruise, sure I'd love to come along once. I'll just need assurance that there will be Fiesta's there on the day.

On a side note: I sat in the Zetec at the motorshow and for a Light 3dr car, that had good leg, head and shoulder room in the back seat!

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howdy mate...well the Fiesta's are always (well majority of the time) out numbering the Foci and other cars....so there will no doubt be some there....if you are worried about the zetec and LX just buy a WP Zetec....lol......you dont have to worry about any of that suspension crap but you get the zetec model you are after and you get the ABS and all for a cheaper price.....lol...anyway. im sure what ever you choose you will enjoy it 100%. good luck mate.

ATSEIF DROF · 27-11-2006, 10:08 PM

WQ Zetec the way to go, superior wheel/tyre combo, standard ABS, firmer suspension setup, & close ratio box make the extra dollars well spent. Throw in the foggies, stereo wheel controls, better seat trim etc. The closer ratio box actually shaves a full second off the 0-100 so its quicker as well..

Lagom · 27-11-2006, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ATSEIF DROF

WQ Zetec the way to go, superior wheel/tyre combo, standard ABS, firmer suspension setup, & close ratio box make the extra dollars well spent. Throw in the foggies, stereo wheel controls, better seat trim etc. The closer ratio box actually shaves a full second off the 0-100 so its quicker as well..

The German specs suggest it only improves it by 0.3s, which seems plausible.

1s is a lot to gain via gearing under these circumstances, probably too much.

Swaytan · 27-11-2006, 10:53 PM

As somebody who owned a WP LX & now owns a WQ Zetec, I feel justified in putting my opinion forward.

My LX was a great car, fantastic, handled really well. Actually, I could not fault it at all.

There is a huge difference between driving both of those cars, but you need to test drive both of them. If you ain't been driving long, you may not even really notice that much of a difference.

I will say I have 100% more confidence cornering in my WQ. I can hit a corner at 50kph with no braking, without even raising a sweat.

Whichever you buy, the Ford Fiesta is an awesome little car, no better a little car for a young driver like you. GOOD LUCK!!!

ATSEIF DROF · 27-11-2006, 10:49 PM

German spec 10.7 is an estimate but fair enough. There seems to be a lot of conflict with the 0-100 info......I've seen everything from 11's (probably auto) to 10.9, 10.8, 10.4, 9.8 & 9.4. Can anyone else clarify these figures? My original info suggested the regular time was 10.9 & this went down to 9.8 with the revised gear ratios.

Steffo · 27-11-2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ATSEIF DROF

German spec 10.7 is an estimate but fair enough. There seems to be a lot of conflict with the 0-100 info......I've seen everything from 11's (probably auto) to 10.9, 10.8, 10.4, 9.8 & 9.4. Can anyone else clarify these figures? My original info suggested the regular time was 10.9 & this went down to 9.8 with the revised gear ratios.

The WP Ghia did 10.7 sec 0-100km/h in the hands of Wheels, who do their tests two up.

Mine's best (WP Zetec) has been 11.013 0-100km/h. That was at WSID. It hits the 660' mark at 62mph, and that was my best 660' time.

Yep, I suck at the launch. Hehe.

mitch_lx · 28-11-2006, 12:02 AM

In my WP LX i got 9.64.. or 9.46. cant remember which way lol. but that was the absolute best i got.

Every other time was 10.2-10.9.

And had a couple in the low 11's

Piotr · 28-11-2006, 12:14 AM

At WSID both me a Steffo got very similar times. We did 0-100km/h in around 11seconds, We hit the 1/8mile at 100km/h so it a very good indication so the time is very accurate. But because of the very sticky surface the car bogged down and I wasnt game enough for a very high RPM launch (4k+ would be needed).

According to Ford UK the close ratio box cut 0.3seconds off the 0-60mph time. 10.2 for normal and 9.9 for the Zetec-S.

photn · 28-11-2006, 10:20 AM

put it this way AD. the Fez was not designed for inline speed. if your after sumthing with more grunt youd be better off buying and older car 2.2 sumthing or like the current lancer.....

The Fez has awesaum cornering ability, which is what it was designed for. if you want a nice drive, decant handling and a good little engine to cope, then the fez is good.

Mitch - was that with the CAI and exhaust. cause they may have contributed to the faster speed times. also was that at a drag strip or on the Dyno.

MISTA FIESTA · 28-11-2006, 10:33 AM

I think i might need to hit the strip and see what the auto can do, concidering no one has a 0-100 time for it.

mitch_lx · 28-11-2006, 10:37 AM

Fiesta loves 4 thousand RPM starts.

Spins the wheels a tad, but it drags it's *** off the line quick smart.

If you did that, the 0-100 time would have dropped a fair bit.

Piotr · 28-11-2006, 10:45 AM

The clutch doesn't love 4k starts. We both had plenty of fun at the drags.

Take the 9.6 times with a grain of salt. They were timed with a stop watch

mitch_lx · 28-11-2006, 10:49 AM

well aslong as you dont do 4k starts everday you shouldnt have a problem.

i owned my fiesta for two years. probably did ten 4k launches. clutch felt exactly the same as it did before i did them.

Car still felt and drove like new.

ATSEIF DROF · 28-11-2006, 06:45 PM

Thanx photn. Was only giving the benefits of the zetec over the lx & the zetec is slightly quicker but not buying it for that reason, mainly the fantastic handling & german quality, they have a bit of character. For the record, has anyone driven the new Swift Sport, just curious how they go...

Ives · 28-11-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ATSEIF DROF

Was only giving the benefits of the zetec over the lx & the zetec is slightly quicker but not buying it for that reason, mainly the fantastic handling & german quality....

And the LX doesn't have German quality?

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ATSEIF DROF · 28-11-2006, 08:34 PM

ie reasons why I'm buying a ford fiesta zetec in general, comment is not a reference to the lx hyperkid which I realise is made in germany (doh!), relax!!! Have you been drinking too much red cordial again :-)

Ives · 28-11-2006, 08:39 PM

Actually the green one reacts faster.

-sigh- I hate lime cordial.

However seriously, I think it all depends on your priorities. When I (& the salesman) test drove the WQ Zetec he (cos I wasnt familiar with the car yet) chucked it on some wide turns, twisties, round-abouts at 70kph... VERY minimal body roll, no tyre screetch whatsoever. Swayman hit the nail right on the head, i wasnt scared sh!tless at all.

I like cars, I like driving but I just couldnt justify an extra $2500 for sport suspensions, 16" MP3 wheels, fog lights, slightly fancier interior.
If it was all the above + 84kW/150Nm.. i'd save up a bit longer to get the Zetec.

Steffo · 29-11-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HyperKid

I like cars, I like driving but I just couldnt justify an extra $2500 for sport suspensions, 16" MP3 wheels, fog lights, slightly fancier interior.
If it was all the above + 84kW/150Nm.. i'd save up a bit longer to get the Zetec.

Well see, its actually quite good value.

The 16" MP3 rims on the WP were $1800 without tyres according to Ford.com.au. So the $2500 is cheaper then they cost with decent rubber, say the 195/45 R16 Continental ContiSport Contacts on my Zetec.

And that's just the wheels alone.

Ives · 29-11-2006, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

Well see, its actually quite good value.

The 16" MP3 rims on the WP were $1800 without tyres according to Ford.com.au. So the $2500 is cheaper then they cost with decent rubber, say the 195/45 R16 Continental ContiSport Contacts on my Zetec.

And that's just the wheels alone.

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Never mind, I guess we all have different priorities and taste. To each of his own.

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Originally Posted by Piotr

When I bought my car the 16inch rims were a $900 option. I wish I bought them.

Now that's cheap. But look at it this way, you can sell your current 15s... add the money with $900... get 17" wheels n tyres.

photn · 29-11-2006, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HyperKid

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Never mind, I guess we all have different priorities and taste. To each of his own.

Now that's cheap. But look at it this way, you can sell your current 15s... add the money with $900... get 17" wheels n tyres.

lol well there wont be much to add to the pile hyperkid. youd be lucky to get a set of 4 5 spoke 15" for like 200 MAYBEE. no one wants them. so yer.....but anyway bacck on topic.

to tell you the truth there isnt much you really have to do to get the same handling as the Zetec from the LX. really all you need to do is purchase the Sway Bar from ford. the bushes and the links. go down to say Midas or a reputable suspension place that you trust and get them fitted. then hey . Presto....Zetec handling.