10 grand to spend: ED 5L?

GDT · 05-12-2006, 09:52 PM

Hey guys. I've got 10 grand to buy and tweak an ED 5L.
I've driven a couple of autos...about 5 grands worth... and they seem a bit gutless in standard trim. How should I spend the remaining $5000 to liven things up???
I spoke to Jim Mock, he recommends: flash tune for engine and auto,
progressive stall converter, new exhaust and a 345 diff.

What do you guys reckon....will this make a worthwhile difference ??

Your opinions will be appreciated. Thanks

MADED-6 · 05-12-2006, 09:54 PM

i would say put some gt40p heads on a bit of a cam the au intake manifold and full exhaust cold air intake and some form of chip that should get it going a bit better. and yes they are pretty gutless in stock trim but can get going pretty good.
cheers josh.

eb91xr6 · 05-12-2006, 09:59 PM

use the 10g to put a deposit down on a house in a good suburb

XRated · 05-12-2006, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by eb91xr6

use the 10g to put a deposit down on a house in a good suburb

On a mobile-camper van?

4.9 EF Futura · 06-12-2006, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by eb91xr6

use the 10g to put a deposit down on a house in a good suburb

Did i accidentially log onto Australian Real Estate again?!?!? Could have sworn we were talking cars here!!!

GDT - just supercharge the thing and be done with it.

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Would a charger on a stock engine make more power than an engine with a mild cam and gt40's?

My old setup was COMPLETELY stock (cat-back exhaust... standard headers) with a poofterdyne and it ripped.

Power numbers werent huge (170rwkw) but the torque was ridiculous. My graphs are kicking around here somewhere....

To directly answer your question, im not sure. My car's g-tech time was 14 seconds flat. What does a set of gt40s and a bump stick get you?

Also depends on what the authorities in your area are like... blower will raise a few more questions regarding roadworthiness than heads/cam will....

efgiar · 05-12-2006, 10:01 PM

5 grand for a ed 5 ltr? fairly big price, buy privatly and u should be able to get one for 3.4 -4 and do what 94edghia said. or u could slap a blower on it

or TT if you know the right people

AdzT3-146 · 05-12-2006, 10:08 PM

Yeah 94EDghia is on the right track.
Explorer Manifold and Full Exhaust would be my first mods.
Also check out the Windsor forum Here - Plenty of useful info in there

Jason[98.EL] · 05-12-2006, 10:25 PM

if you really have that sort of readily avail cash go twin turbo then get a big loan to get it legal (it only cost me $2,500.00 10yrs ago)

i have been there in the past as much as i would like to do it again i dont think i could afford the engineers cert these days

and i earn a crap load more now than i did then

jason

Allen · 05-12-2006, 10:31 PM

Forget Jim Mock... he has seen that you have money to spend, and is just wainting to take it from you... Flash tune on a stock engine?? no point at all...

What has been said here is a good start, cover the basics first...

Full exhaust
Cold air intake
Half decent ignition
Crane 2030 Cam (A popular street cam)
AU GT40P heads (Ported if funds allow)
AU Explorer intake manifold (Again, match ported if funds allow)

That basic combo should be good for minimum 300 - 330hp at the flywheel. After you have an engine like this, only then will a flash tune be worth the money.

This is what I am planning for my Fairlane, and the dyno2000 software predicts the following:-

Basically, what I said above should give you this result, plenty of bottom end torque, with a good power curve. Exactly whats required for a streetable engine.

Hope that helps!

EDXR6T · 06-12-2006, 12:13 AM

Screw that

Buy an EA for next to nothing and the rest on a turbed 6 will blow any worked 8 away specally if your going to spend 9 odd g on the engine;)

SVT8 · 06-12-2006, 12:54 AM

my god, if your got that much to spend you will have one tuff v8. You could always buy one already modded, it will save you having to do all the work. Check this out for 10 grand

EB XR8, Stroked

Note- how he says you can drive this car on p'plates..........lmao

Anyway, you could do that or buy a ed sprint or a a stock v8 and do that up the way you want it. Eg. supercharger, stroker, turbo or N/A.

With 5 grand to spend its possible to get some serious power out of the car. The americans have alot of info about windsors and modification, do a google on the windsors and have a look. For 5g's you would want to do heads (AFR or trickflow, even GT40 heads), a nice cam (to work with the heads, for maximum power), inlet manifold (theres heaps on the market, its just a matter of what you want), exhaust system and a tune........and possibly a stroker kit (but thats gona cost you more :1syellow1 ).

You could even buy a T3 engine and drop it into an eb? theres heaps of options!!!.

lukey039 · 06-12-2006, 01:06 AM

Or you could check out the Ford Motorsport catalouge or buy a couple of American Mustang mags,or google it.They have street 5L's running some good times.Look up Trickflow,Elobrock and the like.They have complete packages which include heads,manifolds camshafts and valve trian.Can be dearer if brought separately.Or I like the idea of buying a cheap car as suggested ,there was an ED fairmount in the 'cars for sale section' nothing wrong with it for $1000 now its being wrecked as we speak then Turbo it still have some money left over and wax most things out there.

**Professor Farnsworth** · 06-12-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SVT8

Note- how he says you can drive this car on p'plates..........lmao

i'm pretty sure you could, as the rule applies to how many kw the car had when it left the factory. i doubt they'll go dyno'ing it to prove it's too powerful ;p

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Originally Posted by SVT8

Anyway, you could do that or buy a ed sprint or a a stock v8 and do that up the way you want it. Eg. supercharger, stroker, turbo or N/A.

if you can find me a good ed sprint for 10k - POST ME THE LINK!!

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Originally Posted by EDXR6T

Screw that

Buy an EA for next to nothing and the rest on a turbed 6 will blow any worked 8 away specally if your going to spend 9 odd g on the engine;)

that's a very bold statement boy ;p lot of factors to consider there..

mainly depends how much boost the 6 is running, and just how 'worked' the 8 is.

lukey039 · 06-12-2006, 01:16 AM

Correction the Fairmount I was talking about is in the spare parts section and it looks just about gone.There was I noticted an EA for $1500 and a ED for $4500 with all the trick stuff.

SVT8 · 06-12-2006, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mrcrackers

i'm pretty sure you could, as the rule applies to how many kw the car had when it left the factory. i doubt they'll go dyno'ing it to prove it's too powerful ;p

No matter what its still illegal lol. Your right though, they will go by factory specs and probably wont dyno the car to prove a point but just wait untill a p'plater gets involved with the insurance company.......woops!!

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FRDXR6 · 06-12-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SVT8

No matter what its still illegal lol. Your right though, they will go by factory specs and probably wont dyno the car to prove a point but just wait untill a p'plater gets involved with the insurance company.......woops!!

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The car seems totally legal to me, aftermarket ECU is probably only item you 'may' have problems with insurance/EPA if it comes to that.

Police/Vicroads/Insurance Companies all go by stock power and weight figures so he's fine even it was 300rwkw. For police to challenge the power/weight of the car they would have to have it put on an engine dyno etc to have any chance of their evidence holding up in court which of course is a huge waste of there already restricted resources, thus would never happen.

So no problems with stroked e-series in Vic

Interceptor · 23-12-2006, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcrackers

if you can find me a good ed sprint for 10k - POST ME THE LINK!!

when i bought my sprint in march, i paid $9k (down from an advertised 11k) for a March 94, Cobalt Blue, manual Sprint with cruise and 245,000km, diff still locks up enough to spin both tyres on tarmac, and was mechanically 100% original when i bought it, came with pioneer HU and stacker, and a second spare..... body is in pretty good nick considering the k's, not too many squeaks/rattles, and a handfull of shopping trollet dings

i know where i can pick up a rough poly green sprint, also from march 94, manual and factory towbar, new tyres and a brand new michelin on the spare, exterior has a fair few scratches (god bless the owners kids the little c***s), front spoiler is missing courtesy of a wallaby, and the interior is a bit sad, but only 163,000km on the clock for $7-8k

eb2flyz · 06-12-2006, 12:52 AM

depends on what the car you have has allready done to it.

basics first
full exhaust - extractors, cats, and a good free flowing mandrel bent system
EL thermo fans
underdrive pulleys
70mm MAF
65mm T/B

the above list will give you a good start, and leave plenty of cash behind to give her a good service.
new plugs and leads
tranny service
oil and filter
full cooling system flush
fuel filter
uni joints
diff oil change
new brake rotors and performance pads
decent tyres

the above is only a suggestion but when you first get the car go through it top to bottom and give her a really good service - safety and reliabilty are the first things that should be looked at on a new/secondhand car, then start chsing some HP

LTDHO · 06-12-2006, 07:44 AM

From what I have heard, don't go to rhe 'Ford performance enhancers' as they will rip you.

I agree with eb2flyz but I would put a mild cam in too, similar to what Fairlane Ghia suggests.

eb2flyz · 06-12-2006, 02:28 PM

I personally wouldn't go all out with the mods first, do all the basic mods which are pretty insurance friendly. make sure the car is in good/safe running order, remember it's age they are steting to get on a bit now and will require things to start getting replaced ie....

brakes - service/replace?
cooling system - service/replace?
suspension bushes and shocks - inspect/replace?
tranny inspection - sevice/rebuild?
diff - service/rebuild?

going fast doesn't mean anything if the car isn't safe or roadworthy - just means that it will become an accident waiting to happen. the list I did above could chew out 5K easily enough depending on the condition of the car.

after you are satisfied with the above work out how much you have to left to spend then look into doing the basics first

full exhaust sytem - depending on what the car in ???? already has
EL thermo fans - getting rid of the heavy viscous clutch fan
underdrive pulleys - a proper 3 pulley set, this allows you to keep the std size belt
K&N filter with a CAI
70mm MAF - the std 58mm is one of the main restrictions to the intake system
65mm T/B - the next restriction t the intake system

after those you start talking $$$$$$ depending on how much you are willing to do yourself will determine the total price

**Polyal** · 06-12-2006, 10:24 AM

Why not get a capa supercharger kit, then just do the exhaust?

Would a charger on a stock engine make more power than an engine with a mild cam and gt40's?

Kilma · 06-12-2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Why not get a capa supercharger kit, then just do the exhaust?

Would a charger on a stock engine make more power than an engine with a mild cam and gt40's?

I have the Vortech kit, extractors and exhaust on my EF, and it pumps out 297rwhp (which equates to roughly 300kw at the engine, which isn't far off double stock) & a 13.5 sec 1/4 mile.

If you could get those figures with a mild cam & GT40's, I wouldn't have bought a charged car.

Boost is the best bang for buck. It has been tried and tested. But it does require a bit of cash to start off with, and would be pushing your budget for this project.

Sundeep · 06-12-2006, 11:11 AM

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use the 10g to put a deposit down on a house in a good suburb

Yeah or keep saving, definitely not worth your pennies.

I had a pretty worked EB 5L once, more trouble than it's worth and it drained my pockets so much I had to convert it to gas... then you lose all the top-end power.

Sundeep

**Professor Farnsworth** · 06-12-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Dose

Yeah or keep saving, definitely not worth your pennies.

I had a pretty worked EB 5L once, more trouble than it's worth and it drained my pockets so much I had to convert it to gas... then you lose all the top-end power.

Sundeep

it's now returning 12.4l/100 lol the only thing i've had go wrong really is the coil lead is shagged

Rollin · 06-12-2006, 02:48 PM

Check this one out:

Forum members car, if it was a 6 I would have already bought it! price has been dropped to 9k with massive stereo or 7k without...its already got a 9 inch and rebuilt auto (saving you somewhere around 6k already, because if you want a good motor your going to need a good box and diff to match) motor is near stock and just waiting for forced induction or a new top end...

Clicky Clicky

And I forgot to say...it looks The Business.

Boys_Love_Toys · 24-12-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rollin

Check this one out:

Forum members car, if it was a 6 I would have already bought it! price has been dropped to 9k with massive stereo or 7k without...its already got a 9 inch and rebuilt auto (saving you somewhere around 6k already, because if you want a good motor your going to need a good box and diff to match) motor is near stock and just waiting for forced induction or a new top end...

Clicky Clicky

And I forgot to say...it looks The Business.

Except the interior looks gay.

LUXO_8 · 27-12-2006, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Boys_Love_Toys

Except the interior looks gay.

wtf...thats a stupid thing to say...

the car is immaculate...., whats gay about the interior? the colour coded paint on the dash trims..........ever heard of repainting them??

as has been said this car is just waiting for some serious engine work.... the rest of it is done for you.....

YLDTRK · 03-04-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Boys_Love_Toys

Except the interior looks ***.

not hard to respray mate. dw about it any ways i'm not really concerned on your thoughts and the car is no longer for sale.

**Polyal** · 06-12-2006, 04:07 PM

I thought the CAPA kit was around the $5k mark?

You could easily find an EB/ED 5L for under that. Would be best to pick up an EB XR8 so you get the diff aswell.

Kilma · 07-12-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

I thought the CAPA kit was around the $5k mark?

You could easily find an EB/ED 5L for under that. Would be best to pick up an EB XR8 so you get the diff aswell.

That is probably about right, but if they are asking what they can do to a 5L for $10k, I am assuming they wouldn't have the know how to install it themselves (I know I wouldn't), so throw a bit on top of that for labour. Then if you buy a bog stock one, extractors and exhaust will be a bit on top of that as well.

ED XR8 + extractors + exhaust + charger = ~$12-14k roughly by my calculations. A bit over the budget.