Land Speed Records,(DLRA) SA.

620hp_gt · 13-01-2007, 12:57 PM

Anyone building cars or entering old cars in this years Land speed record attemps, in March.

This is something that would be good to get into for something different.

ONLY catch, you need and a VERY strong engine. It is extreme conditions.

The Moe racing coupe, always a crowd pleaser, as well as the lads that travel from Vic, in their RED EL.

All trying to crack the 200mph. not that easy.

My mate went 191mph in his VL, 650hp 5lt.(spent thousands with not much improvement).

Would love to put my 620hp engine with a 5-6 speed\2.75:1 in a Mulberry XBGT Replica that i have, to see how that would go. But starting to run out of time.

Need some good sponsers like FTG and AFF.LOL.

620hp_gt · 14-01-2007, 08:53 PM

bump.

trick_xd · 15-01-2007, 10:09 AM

I have read a bit about DLR and I said a few years ago it is one place I want to go to before I am to old to enjoy it ..So better be in the next few years...
Them guys in the red EL even busted a tko5sp 5th gear broke at 188MPH and it still had more in it.. Then changed boxs to there spare and tryed it again and lucked out at just under 200MPH.(iirc)
It would be good to be known in the 200MPH club .. not a lot of people are there.

620hp_gt · 15-01-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by trick_xd

I have read a bit about DLR and I said a few years ago it is one place I want to go to before I am to old to enjoy it ..So better be in the next few years...
Them guys in the red EL even busted a tko5sp 5th gear broke at 188MPH and it still had more in it.. Then changed boxs to there spare and tryed it again and lucked out at just under 200MPH.(iirc)
It would be good to be known in the 200MPH club .. not a lot of people are there.

Yeah I was at their camp last year, top lads.

They knew me from when i raced at Heathcotte.They were racing a cortina their at the time, nice car, back the front scoop.

Party ever night up at the "Club Animal", (jock boy-Animal runs the show, after dark)..Large decked out Bus, powered by a cleveland.

Looked like it wasn't in gear properly before the cutch dumped,,,,,MY OPION ONLY!!! Thats why the gearbox died.

all4ford · 15-01-2007, 12:43 PM

My father is taking his ZX 14 Kawasaki there this year, hoping to run 200+ MPH.

I've never been but he's showed me footage of over there and there's a DVD called "the big white dyno" which shows just how tough it is to run these sort of speeds.

bartaxr8 · 15-01-2007, 08:34 PM

I go every year and have to say that it is the best event of the year that I go to. I go with one of my dads mates from Castlemaine. Although the car is fairly high matainence, we all have a fun time, which is the most important thing.

620hp_gt · 15-01-2007, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by all4ford

My father is taking his ZX 14 Kawasaki there this year, hoping to run 200+ MPH.

I've never been but he's showed me footage of over there and there's a DVD called "the big white dyno" which shows just how tough it is to run these sort of speeds.

MORE and MORE Bikes ever year,, Some people say the bikes should be one week and the cars the next..

There was a Fully worked Hyibusa, with a turbo..I think it went around 300+mph, they were riding it around like a scooter. Came from USA just for the races.

GT290 · 16-01-2007, 01:03 AM

Its amazing that here we are still trying to get into the 200 mph. I know there are those very few that do get their machines over that but on a whole, old bert from NZ with his indian. It amazes me is all. I know where there is a boss 290 being done up with a spend of about $40,000 to get to the 200+mph barrier. Don't rightly know if it will be there this time round, hope so.

all4ford · 16-01-2007, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 620hp_gt

MORE and MORE Bikes ever year,, Some people say the bikes should be one week and the cars the next..

They may need to turn this into a two week thing, as dad said as well, there is a lot of bikes going, a lot of small bikes as well like <250.

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Originally Posted by 620hp_gt

There was a Fully worked Hyibusa, with a turbo..I think it went around 300+mph, they were riding it around like a scooter. Came from USA just for the races.

Yeah I think I saw that one. There is suppose to be a lot of press there this year, as a few big boys are coming across from the states again, and as the sport is growing in popularity.

atec77 · 16-01-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by all4ford

My father is taking his ZX 14 Kawasaki there this year, hoping to run 200+ MPH.

I've never been but he's showed me footage of over there and there's a DVD called "the big white dyno" which shows just how tough it is to run these sort of speeds.

Where would I get a copy of this dvd ?

all4ford · 16-01-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by atec77

Where would I get a copy of this dvd ?

http://www.dlra.org.au/detail.htm

Try calling Rob Carrol and he should be able to organise a copy for you.

Sledgehammer · 16-01-2007, 08:00 AM

200 MPH at the lake is not as easy as everyone thinks it is.

620HP, its on my agenda once the car is finished as its something that Ive always wanted to compete in (being an ex-castlemaine guy), now the engines done just the cage and diff and box and and and.....wont be this year, mabey next year.

all4ford · 16-01-2007, 08:48 AM

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200 MPH at the lake is not as easy as everyone thinks it is.

It took me a while to get this. But I've seen tough as blown cars pulling a whopping 120MPH. Its very hard out there and many cars engines just cannot stand up to the punishment.

I think everyone goes there thinking they're going to eclipse records but it just doesnt happen that easy.

As I've said with my dad he is hoping to run over 200MPH on his bike, but even that which is meant to do it from the factory has only ever run over 200MPH once in the world, albeit at an air strip as well.

Sledgehammer · 16-01-2007, 08:02 AM

We should start a Salt Lake Racing section in the Motorsport section here?

620hp_gt · 16-01-2007, 08:44 AM

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We should start a Salt Lake Racing section in the Motorsport section here?

Maybe, it gets bigger every year.

Was a quite event, for a lot of years.

These days, the lake is hired for alot of TV commicals as well.

You just don't know, it could be all over, if the greenies had their way and cars keep blowing up like last year.

Amazing, the dollars involed.

Some better setups than you see at the drags.

Dry sumps, twin dominators, Mega Horsepower set-ups.

sprjenkins · 16-01-2007, 09:21 AM

what makes it so tough out there? My dads stock standard falcon can do 180kmh so why can real tough cars only do 192kmh

Sledgehammer · 16-01-2007, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

what makes it so tough out there? My dads stock standard falcon can do 180kmh so why can real tough cars only do 192kmh

Restistance increases by squared factor. We are also talking 200MPH which is 320Kmh (or thereabouts), I believe their are only a dozen of Aussie cars that have run over 200 MPH in Australia at Lake Gardiner.

all4ford · 16-01-2007, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

what makes it so tough out there? My dads stock standard falcon can do 180kmh so why can real tough cars only do 192kmh

I dont really understand it either. Everyone I ask, says you have to experience it to see what its like.

620hp_gt · 16-01-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sprjenkins

what makes it so tough out there? My dads stock standard falcon can do 180kmh so why can real tough cars only do 192kmh

At The Salt, They talk in MILES PER HOUR, mph!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1kph=1.6mph

GT290 · 16-01-2007, 03:48 PM

200 mph is 321.9 klm. A v8 super car gets to just on 300 k's on conrod and some times not.

I would love to go to this salt lake landspeed event. Just to spectate of course.

Rev28K · 16-01-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GT290

A v8 super car gets to just on 300 k's on conrod and some times not.

And they could have higher speeds with free diff ratios. Don’t some of the salt lake racers run such high gearing that they need “pusher” trucks to get them moving?

I know of a guy who was getting a BOSS 290 ute together to run there, don’t know if it was ready for this year.

How is it run? Is it a getting up to speed section, a measured timing run section and then a braking section? Is this so that it doesn’t matter so much what the takeoffs are like? How do you go with tires? Wide enough for traction but narrow enough so as not to add to the rolling resistance? Do you have to do a return run within an hour so any effect of slope/wind resistance is minimized? Can the competitors time themselves (unofficially) with GPS?

You are meant to get the centre of aerodynamic pressure behind (or is that ahead?) the centre of gravity aren’t you? How do you calculate the centre of pressure? Is it just suck it and see? What makes a “sweet” handling car? Do you run a slight amount of toe in for stability or just run it at zero toe for less drag?

Didn’t Rod Hadfield run a Commodore-based car there one year?

I realize that it is specialized stuff and that you can’t just turn up in your road car first time and expect to post a record.

bartaxr8 · 16-01-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev28K

And they could have higher speeds with free diff ratios. Don’t some of the salt lake racers run such high gearing that they need “pusher” trucks to get them moving?

I know of a guy who was getting a BOSS 290 ute together to run there, don’t know if it was ready for this year.

How is it run? Is it a getting up to speed section, a measured timing run section and then a braking section? Is this so that it doesn’t matter so much what the takeoffs are like? How do you go with tires? Wide enough for traction but narrow enough so as not to add to the rolling resistance? Do you have to do a return run within an hour so any effect of slope/wind resistance is minimized? Can the competitors time themselves (unofficially) with GPS?

You are meant to get the centre of aerodynamic pressure behind (or is that ahead?) the centre of gravity aren’t you? How do you calculate the centre of pressure? Is it just suck it and see? What makes a “sweet” handling car? Do you run a slight amount of toe in for stability or just run it at zero toe for less drag?

Didn’t Rod Hadfield run a Commodore-based car there one year?

I realize that it is specialized stuff and that you can’t just turn up in your road car first time and expect to post a record.

We push the car that I go with to 30-40 MPH before the driver takes off. On the short course, which you have to run 175 MPH on to become eligable for the long course, you get 2 miles to get to speed, you are timed over 3 miles and get 4 miles to slow down. It doesn't matter how long it takes to slow down as the lake is over 90 miles long, the 4 mile stopping area is graded though like the rest of the track. Once you are able to run on the long course you get an extra mile to get up to speed. One of the reasons cars and bikes don't go as quick on the salt as on the asphalt is that the salt, especially when damp, has more friction for the tires to overcome. Rod Hadfield has been running a VS Commodore at the salt for the last 5 years or so but last last year the engine blew up and there was an oil fire which made the Nitrous bottles explode which did alot of damage to the car.

GT290 · 17-01-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rev28K

And they could have higher speeds with free diff ratios. Don’t some of the salt lake racers run such high gearing that they need “pusher” trucks to get them moving?

I know of a guy who was getting a BOSS 290 ute together to run there, don’t know if it was ready for this year.

How is it run? Is it a getting up to speed section, a measured timing run section and then a braking section? Is this so that it doesn’t matter so much what the takeoffs are like? How do you go with tires? Wide enough for traction but narrow enough so as not to add to the rolling resistance? Do you have to do a return run within an hour so any effect of slope/wind resistance is minimized? Can the competitors time themselves (unofficially) with GPS?

You are meant to get the centre of aerodynamic pressure behind (or is that ahead?) the centre of gravity aren’t you? How do you calculate the centre of pressure? Is it just suck it and see? What makes a “sweet” handling car? Do you run a slight amount of toe in for stability or just run it at zero toe for less drag?

Didn’t Rod Hadfield run a Commodore-based car there one year?

I realize that it is specialized stuff and that you can’t just turn up in your road car first time and expect to post a record.

Yeah was watching the Bonnyville thing on foxtel the other night, cool and yes I saw that, where they were using pusher trucks to get them going. They must have to start and a certain speed at a given point. I don't know but its interesting and as I said, would love to go to the SA weekend.

620hp_gt · 16-01-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GT290

200 mph is 321.9 klm. A v8 super car gets to just on 300 k's on conrod and some times not.

I would love to go to this salt lake landspeed event. Just to spectate of course.

DONT take the GT,, Hardcore outback. dirt roads..Hire car or 4x4.

But well worth a look.

**Polyal** · 16-01-2007, 10:15 AM

yeah aero would be an issue, hence why I dont like your chances in a XB...LOL

Sledgehammer · 16-01-2007, 10:26 AM

Just means you need more power.

Sledgehammer · 16-01-2007, 05:17 PM

Salt lake site is http://www.dlra.org.au/

I would be interested in meeting with Bris guys who would be interested in a group effort next year as well.

We have a couple of folk up here that are regulars as well, just not sure if they are Ford Boys.

620hp_gt · 16-01-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

Salt lake site is http://www.dlra.org.au/
who would be interested in a group effort next year as well..

It is around 4hrs from my place, if a group come over, I'll show ya's the way and Help out at this end if required.

620hp_gt · 16-01-2007, 09:41 PM

Sixty minutes went one year, here is a link.

http://ninemsn.video.msn.com/l.htm?m...ws_AU60minutes

rodderz · 16-01-2007, 07:17 PM

I remember the wheels article when Mickey Taylor drove the APS XR6T at Avalon airfield, he got it up to 307km/hr and said at that speed the car was all over the track. He said to go faster they would have to improve the aero of the package to keep it stable