Holden Bluff...Shutdown!

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 05:35 PM

Hey fellas after having a total war on Ford vs Holden one of my stubborn holdne mates made a site dedicated to bagging fords for being un-Australian (if thats a word) this website pi$$ed me off!!

after a few Bundys i decided to give my own a crack.

using some quick reserch on wikiepedia and a bit of drunken ******** i put this together...i tried to make it AS NON-BIAS AS POSSIBLE, i tried to use actual facts but when bits of reserch didnt meet end-to-end i filled in the gaps.

Not sure how accurate i was but got some great pics to rub it in!! oh also i didnt tell him I made the site and he hasnt spoken to me since !!!!!

im welcome to critisism and anyone who would like to add to this website P.M. me and i will send you the password

if we all put in (with a sort of non bias attitude) we can make a great shutdown site for the VN drivers claiming 'aussie power!!'

http://fordholdenaustralia.wetpaint.com/account/tiapan

Sladdo · 15-01-2007, 05:48 PM

VN's claimin aussie power?? Arent they Buick V6's im them?

buickman · 15-01-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sladdo

VN's claimin aussie power?? Arent they Buick V6's im them?

The starfire version of the 350 Buick V8 brought on by the Opec pricing in 1974. Like the starfire mtr in the Sunbirds & some Commodores a 6cyl with 2 cyls removed but in this case its a V8 with 2 cyl removed..
That last Opel in the pic is sure a ugly beast.

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 05:59 PM

who knows how many countries put together the VN! its like one of those ugly as **** dogs you see, which were bred with everything.

can anyone confirm the chassis/platform for VS,VR,VX,VY???? was it all just the vn pos with pretty panels and better suspension?

all4ford · 15-01-2007, 06:18 PM

GM bought Holden which started life as an Australian horse cart manufacturer.

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...ink=historical

nugget378 · 15-01-2007, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by all4ford

GM bought Holden which started life as an Australian horse cart manufacturer.

http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/...ink=historical

And didnt they used to build bodies for Model T's,as was done then by alot of small coach building companies...

all4ford · 15-01-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

And didnt they used to build bodies for Model T's,as was done then by alot of small coach building companies...

Not sure mate, I wasn't having a stab at them or anything, thats just where the name came from. The website he has put together states GM set up shop in Australia under the name Holden, thats not really correct.

I'm pretty sure they started putting together Vauxhauls in their early early days.

To me the Falcon is the most Australian car. However, each car owns their piece of Australian automotive history.

nugget378 · 15-01-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by all4ford

Not sure mate, I wasn't having a stab at them or anything, thats just where the name came from. The website he has put together states GM set up shop in Australia under the name Holden, thats not really correct.

I'm pretty sure they started putting together Vauxhauls in their early early days.

To me the Falcon is the most Australian car. However, each car owns their piece of Australian automotive history.

Im pretty sure they did,I have a book here somewhere,about the early history of Ford in Aus.
They used to get the bodies built in alot of smaller works all over the country,and Holden was one of them,eventually Ford started making them themselves to better control quality.
So you could say Holden got there start in cars making Fords...

GK · 16-01-2007, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by all4ford

To me the Falcon is the most Australian car. However, each car owns their piece of Australian automotive history.

Good point.

Good competition in the automotive market has made both Ford and holden lift their games and we are the recipient of that lifting.

I hate to think what quality Falcons would be, if holden went bust after the VN. Sobering thought!

GK

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 06:36 PM

heh well thats the sort of good news the the holden fans dont need to read on m site :P

Ryan · 15-01-2007, 06:37 PM

Man this whole "What's more Aussie" debate between Commodores and Falcons is dumb.

Falcons have been all Aussie, since the XA.

Commodores have never been Aussie.

Enough said.

My car is the biggest mongrel of all. German body, with a Jap engine/drivetrain.

The Monty · 15-01-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan

My car is the biggest mongrel of all. German body, with a Jap engine/drivetrain.

Un riced VLs are cool but. Like yours. Nice.

WHIPLASH · 15-01-2007, 07:03 PM

Great job tiapan. Love to read a good holden/ford debate any day

I love when my mates try to start me on HOLDEN ... means a great deal to Australia HA and its funnier when they are to blind and retarded to understand that holden motors, bodies and parts are made overseas. where as ford bodies, parts and motors and manufactured and built right here in Australia. Yeah the blocks are mustang but thats it. I have yet to see a car built by holden that has forced the government to take it out of production haha. or built the fastest four door production car of our time. Holden boys ... we let them have there fun but deap down us boys in blue know we are on top

: :thebirds:

Little fox

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Man this whole "What's more Aussie" debate between Commodores and Falcons is dumb.

Falcons have been all Aussie, since the XA.

Commodores have never been Aussie.

Enough said.

My car is the biggest mongrel of all. German body, with a Jap engine/drivetrain.

yes...it is dumb! thats why i did it...to end it, because 90% of holden fans think there driving the Australian flag.
but im glad most of these ppl drive holdens cuz i would cry if i saw most of these cracksore ridden mullets crusing with their arm hanging out the window of a FORD! with their seat reclined so far back that they can only reach the wheel if its with one hand, playing eminem thru there supercheap auto subbies with cut off exhausts with there autos whizzing in first so that ppl think its supercharged lucky they all have monster tachos infront of their faces or they would over rev the sucka! and when they speed past my gf they all hangout the window and yell **** then speed of as best they can.....*takes a breath
i love the way the ford guys do it when their crusing...slow down a bit..eyeballs sideways trying not to make it obvious that they were undressing my gf with their eyes.

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 06:43 PM

the ve is aussie isnt it? that and the monaro would be the most aussie holdens eh?

JC · 15-01-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiapan

the ve is aussie isnt it? that and the monaro would be the most aussie holdens eh?

The only part of any Holden that is remotely Australian is the L. Seriously, about 30% would be local product - the rest is O/S technology/parts. Falcon is probably around the same.

joolz · 16-01-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

The only part of any Holden that is remotely Australian is the L. Seriously, about 30% would be local product - the rest is O/S technology/parts. Falcon is probably around the same.

Yeah the VE is approximately 80% imported and Ajax going under was ther perfect opportunity for them to outsource more parts from OS. Ford is no where near that in the aspect of importing, its only around 20-30% The IRS, sub chassis, driveshafts, trims, engines (excl Boss) springs, shocks just to name a few are made right here in Australia.

stevz · 16-01-2007, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by joolz

Yeah the VE is approximately 80% imported and Ajax going under was ther perfect opportunity for them to outsource more parts from OS. Ford is no where near that in the aspect of importing, its only around 20-30% The IRS, sub chassis, driveshafts, trims, engines (excl Boss) springs, shocks just to name a few are made right here in Australia.

VE 80% imported yeah right, nice exageration.
Ford will eventually have to go the same way if they want to stay competitive. I'd be willing to bet Orion will be sourcing many components from overseas.
You guys are going to have a lot of these comments rubbed back in your faces.

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MITCHAY · 16-01-2007, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

VE 80% imported yeah right, nice exageration.
Ford will eventually have to go the same way if they want to stay competitive. I'd be willing to bet Orion will be sourcing many components from overseas.
You guys are going to have a lot of these comments rubbed back in your faces.

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I bet they will still sell much the same as does the Commodore. I still rather a cheaper car, than being able to say "Hey mines all Australian"

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You know what's funny is most of the **** in our homes is probably from China!

Scott · 16-01-2007, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

VE 80% imported yeah right, nice exageration.
Ford will eventually have to go the same way if they want to stay competitive. I'd be willing to bet Orion will be sourcing many components from overseas.
You guys are going to have a lot of these comments rubbed back in your faces.

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You seem to be missing the point if this thread. This thread is about a Red/Blue argument on another website which an AFF user wanted grenades for.
Why would comments be rubbed in peoples faces?? I'm sure that if/when Ford Au source a greater number of components from O/S the point will be mute and only discussed retrospectively - to which Ford is still more Australian.

Kenster · 15-01-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiapan

the ve is aussie isnt it? that and the monaro would be the most aussie holdens eh?

so far they are saying its design in Australia and possible build in China

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Green X · 15-01-2007, 06:46 PM

I think you mate has way to much time on his hands.

Ask him if Holden is such a Australian company why then does everybody Re-Badge these Iconic Australian cars with Chevy Badges, Yes that’s right he is a dumb ****.

15-01-2007, 07:11 PM

Lame.

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyJ

Lame.

almost as lame as show ponys with big sound systems...OUCH!

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 07:12 PM

whoops forgot to add, im not doing it to convert the retards i refered to above to ford drivers..it just kills me inside when i see a beutiful girl but she is in the holden crowd because she wants to be patriotic (almost hung myself yesterday when my beloved gf told me GM was Australian!!!yes cute at first but when she persisted...GGRrrrrr!!)

Gobes32 · 15-01-2007, 07:21 PM

Holdens bodies are made in Oz as are most of the major assembly units, i.e transmissions, electrical parts etc. Their V6 motors are built in Port Melbourne. They only import the V8 as do Ford. Ford and Holden are almost equal in how australian their cars are. Both at about 70% each.

Tiapan · 15-01-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by acosta32

Holdens bodies are made in Oz as are most of the major assembly units, i.e transmissions, electrical parts etc. Their V6 motors are built in Port Melbourne. They only import the V8 as do Ford. Ford and Holden are almost equal in how australian their cars are. Both at about 70% each.

Pffft Ford didnt get the blueprints for its cars from germany/usa!!!

Ford_Boy · 15-01-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by acosta32

Holdens bodies are made in Oz as are most of the major assembly units, i.e transmissions, electrical parts etc. Their V6 motors are built in Port Melbourne. They only import the V8 as do Ford. Ford and Holden are almost equal in how australian their cars are. Both at about 70% each.

sorry mate but ford builds its own engines. holden builds the 6? so what its still slower and thirstier then fords 6s

vztrt · 15-01-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by acosta32

Holdens bodies are made in Oz as are most of the major assembly units, i.e transmissions, electrical parts etc. Their V6 motors are built in Port Melbourne. They only import the V8 as do Ford. Ford and Holden are almost equal in how australian their cars are. Both at about 70% each.

The 3v is only imported to OZ. The BOSS 260/290 is built at FPV.

andrewts · 15-01-2007, 07:23 PM

nugget378 is correct. Holden used to manufacture bodies for Ford way back when. Also, these bodies were often not in the colour black, which made most Model Ts in Australia Unique.

As far as Who is more Aussie, the answer is Ford, and anybody in the know would know that. I'm not sure what it is that the stereotypical Holden irriot thinks is so much better about them. If it weren't for Ford, it is possible that Cars would not be in everyone's driveway today. Ford made them available, cheap and easy. If it were up to Benz, we'd all have to wait years and pay through our nose for cars.

Meh.