750 rwkws from an au six as a goal.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:10 PM

As I have posted..I am thinking about turboing the wagon. This project is going to be a few years in the making and I am wondering what it would take for the wagon to destroy 11 second typhoons and nissan gtr godzillas.

I am thinking 750 rwkws is a nice target.The bottom end may cop a destroke with chrysler crank to make it 245 for balance.Estimated rpm will be around 8000 - 9000 rpm.Everything will be strengthened What sort of dollars will it take do guys think?

I am thinking to start with the auto...a full rebuild with all the nice jewelry to cope. At least if the current box breaks then I can whack in the new box.
Suspension and brakes will be upgraded to au2 with the best that money can buy. At least I can work on that as I ultimately decide to if this is viable.

Whats your take on this? Can it be done?

HLC · 25-03-2007, 07:13 PM

$33 thousand dollars Stav.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:15 PM

Maybe... :Up_to_som

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:16 PM

I do believe it will but will have to check.If i am going to have to spend up big then I will talk to the right people first. I may drop a line to Trick and Manswetto to see their take on my needs.

JC · 25-03-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

$33 thousand dollars Stav.

Nah that's a bit much. Probably $32k. lol

Full engine rebuild with tougher components, say around $15k. Auto rebuild around $5k for something decent, plus brakes at around $5k for brembos or the like, then you may need some chassis boxing/strengthening etc. Somewhere between $25k to $35k would be the sort of money you are looking at. See if you can get it as maintenance on a lease and have it all tax deductible!

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Nah that's a bit much. Probably $32k. lol

Full engine rebuild with tougher components, say around $15k. Auto rebuild around $5k for something decent, plus brakes at around $5k for brembos or the like, then you may need some chassis boxing/strengthening etc. Somewhere between $25k to $35k would be the sort of money you are looking at. See if you can get it as maintenance on a lease and have it all tax deductible!

JC its all deductable mate I need to see clients on time and the typhoons / gtr's will be in my way..lol So ill have to zip around them.

HLC · 25-03-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Nah that's a bit much. Probably $32k. lol

Full engine rebuild with tougher components, say around $15k. Auto rebuild around $5k for something decent, plus brakes at around $5k for brembos or the like, then you may need some chassis boxing/strengthening etc. Somewhere between $25k to $35k would be the sort of money you are looking at. See if you can get it as maintenance on a lease and have it all tax deductible!

guy in our club just spent 33 grand on his xr6/t engine.

13 grand on the new turbo alone. wont spool up under 14psi. 305 rwkw on running in tune.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HLC

guy in our club just spent 33 grand on his xr6/t engine.

13 grand on the new turbo alone. wont spool up under 14psi. 305 rwkw on running in tune.

I know mate.I installed his phone kit the other day...top bloke too.

dansedgli · 25-03-2007, 07:14 PM

To beat 11 second cars you dont need 750rwkw. To beat them on the street in a RWD wagon is a big ask. 350awkw will own 600rwkw on the street.

Tone it down a bit and go for 500 IMO. You need to compromise between power and boost response. I am having a 1000hp GT51R delivered this week for $2400.

Lots and lots of money will be needed. Powerglide or T400 for that kind of power. I think custom cranks are like $4K. Do you know if the chrysler crank will fit?

dansedgli · 25-03-2007, 07:18 PM

If it doesnt I think custom cranks are up near $4k.

TwistedEL · 25-03-2007, 07:19 PM

If I could afford it I would do it just to say that it can be done
BTW JC you didn't price the turbo

dansedgli · 25-03-2007, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedEL

If I could afford it I would do it just to say that it can be done
BTW JC you didn't price the turbo

or manifolds, or piping, or fuel system or the cost of the broken engines that dont make it the first time.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:23 PM

This sounds like a very expensive exercise...However a piece from here and a piece from there should see it all come together slowly.

JC · 25-03-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedEL

If I could afford it I would do it just to say that it can be done
BTW JC you didn't price the turbo

Oh yeh - I read the question as "if I get a turbo, how much additional $$$ is necessary". But in total, probably closer to $50k.

stiddy · 25-03-2007, 07:23 PM

Your kidding arnt you? 750rwkw ??

sell your house.. then with the money you have from that you should get there.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:25 PM

Well whats the most an au engine can take with a decompression plate fitted and a decent head? How much can the block take? 9? 14?20 or 30 psi of boost?

StealthAu · 27-03-2007, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

Well whats the most an au engine can take with a decompression plate fitted and a decent head? How much can the block take? 9? 14?20 or 30 psi of boost?

Is this thread a joke stav? You've started by talking about building a 1000rwhp turbo 6, then ask about decompression plates?

**Stav** · 27-03-2007, 01:23 PM

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Is this thread a joke stav? You've started by talking about building a 1000rwhp turbo 6, then ask about decompression plates?

I just dont have the know how yet that why I started the thread..to get some ideas.

Casper · 25-03-2007, 07:24 PM

750rwkw from a Ford I6 is impossible, end of story.

The block wont take it.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

750rwkw from a Ford I6 is impossible, end of story.

The block wont take it.

Why not? Taxis do 1 million killomtres on these puppies but roll their eyes when I ask about ba's.

Casper · 25-03-2007, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

Why not? Taxis do 1 million killomtres on these puppies but roll their eyes when I ask about ba's.

747's make 1000's of flights to 35000 feet too, I'm yet to see one land on the moon though.

sly_ba · 25-03-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

750rwkw from a Ford I6 is impossible, end of story.

The block wont take it.

Agreed...

Casper · 25-03-2007, 07:28 PM

Nizpro have got a "Grenade spec" B series block in the low 500kw range. Theres not much more there.

To be drivable you are looking at a MAXIMUM of mid 400rwkw.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Nizpro have got a "Grenade spec" B series block in the low 500kw range. Theres not much more there.

To be drivable you are looking at a MAXIMUM of mid 400rwkw.

Yes using the crap ford piston block geometry.Then what? Make the geometry better then why cant we get ridiculous power?

Casper · 25-03-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

Yes using the crap ford piston block geometry.Then what? Make the geometry better then why cant we get ridiculous power?

Because the block is made of iron, not titanium. It will grenade, the block simply is not able to support that sort of power irrespective of setup.

**Stav** · 25-03-2007, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Because the block is made of iron, not titanium. It will grenade, the block simply is not able to support that sort of power irrespective of setup.

How do you know? Who has tried? Has anyone seriously tried?

stiddy · 25-03-2007, 07:30 PM

Pyroay is making 450rwkw around the 20-22psi mark.. but he's got 30k in his motor and gearbox.

Pyroay · 25-03-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by stiddy

Pyroay is making 450rwkw around the 20-22psi mark.. but he's got 30k in his motor and gearbox.

I spent over $40k on the motor + $12k on gearbox and clutch.

You will be up for at least $40k on motor + gearbox and more

I'd say all up to get 750rwkw that is drivable more than once from a ford 6 will be $50k.

**Stav** · 26-03-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyroay

I spent over $40k on the motor + $12k on gearbox and clutch.

You will be up for at least $40k on motor + gearbox and more

I'd say all up to get 750rwkw that is drivable more than once from a ford 6 will be $50k.

Thanks man.At least it is doable.Why spend 60k on a new typhoon or xr6t and then have to mod that on top when 60k could make the wagon alot quicker?
Would 600rwkws be more realistic?

ten[A]cio[U]s · 26-03-2007, 08:01 AM

If you have the money then anyhing should be do-able.

600rwkw and 750rwkw are going to cost a hell of a lot which ever way you look at it.

Im not sure but i would asume that past what pyroay has achieved it would become very hard to try and push more power out of the i6 ( at least the sohc engines ?).

But it this is what you want and can be prepared to spend that sort of money, then go for it.