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23-12-2013, 09:29 PM | #1 | ||||
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An interesting read, but I didn't think Ford US needed a bailout package from the US government? I thought Ford was the only auto maker that didn't need a government bailout? I also didn't know that GM invented the air conditioner, there you go.
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24-12-2013, 12:07 AM | #2 | |||
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and to arrange a lein of credit for itself incase the GFC got worse and its cash burn greater than anticipated. Ford ended up not needing the lein of credit after all... |
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24-12-2013, 07:52 AM | #3 | |||
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Chrysler Engineers invented the Box "window/wall rattler" type of air conditioner about 35 years after Carrier started air conditioning. Packard were the first to install an air conditioner in a car, but it was unsuccessful, partly due to the fact it took up over half the boot space. Chrysler put air conditioning in their cars 12 years later in 1953, & it's progressed on from there. AFAIK, Chrysler has never been owned by GM, so for GM to claim they (or their engineers), had anything to do with the invention of air conditioning, is just crap. No wonder many of us here don't believe a word they say. Lots here might believe Ford doesn't have a marketing department, but I'm sure GM has a bullshit department. |
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24-12-2013, 01:39 PM | #5 | ||
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GM's claim on the room air conditioner -
http://history.gmheritagecenter.com/...ir_Conditioner Carriers - http://www.williscarrier.com/1930-1940.php and the inventor of the window air con - http://campbellapplianceheatingandai...ditioning.html Chrysler - http://www.allpar.com/corporate/airtemp.php My old office had a Chrysler Airtemp system with a big Pentastar badge, should have pulled it off when it went to the junk yard! That article could just about have been written about the Aussie car industry, the original big three basically known as the Falcon car company, Commodore car company and to a lessor degree, the Valiant while the newcomers (in this case importers) innovated and didn't have the local unions to deal with. Of course, the Aussie unions weren't as hard assed as the US ones. |
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24-12-2013, 08:14 PM | #6 | ||
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At least the yanks still have the 'support your locals' attitude.....That's all gone out the window for Oz now.....Don't worry GM/Ford U.S will bring us all new tech and sophistication.....Just look at the new V6 TwinTurbo Taurus 'Super High Output' + AWD....Bloody hell I'd own one.....And its already been out for a few years!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDT3VJL8Q-s Last edited by GASWAGON; 24-12-2013 at 08:34 PM. |
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24-12-2013, 10:23 PM | #7 | ||
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We lost the ability to make those decisions years ago when we sold off our industries to foreign interests. While auto has always been foreign owned and controlled, many other industry icons weren't. Once the decision making goes offshore your done.
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24-12-2013, 10:33 PM | #8 | ||
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Love it !! Cobramania..
Lots here might believe Ford doesn't have a marketing department, but I'm sure GM has a bullshit department.
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25-12-2013, 12:09 AM | #9 | ||
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The book referenced in the article is well worth a read. Like a lot of things, the U.S. story is very similar to our own, but everything is x10
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25-12-2013, 12:18 AM | #10 | ||
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Our industry was never owned by Australians though...both Holden and Ford were subsidiaries of foreign owned car makers.
The original "Holden" motorcar was a rejected GM design, the Commodore almost a direct copy of Opel's offerings in Europe. The Falcon was an American model adapted to local conditions. Australians were employees and buyers, but never owners.
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25-12-2013, 02:37 AM | #11 | |||
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I wonder how things will be in the motor city in 20 years time. Once ford and GM completely offshore their factories and don't employ any Americans in manufacturing (which is my prediction, I could be totally wrong). Detroit is already close to the murder capital of America trailing Flint by a short amount. I can see the ghettos in Detroit spreading and the city becoming a complete skeleton of what it once was.
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25-12-2013, 10:28 AM | #12 | |||
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Most of the houses ther are vandalised beyond belief. Depending on what happens to the U.S with their 18TRILLION dollars of debt which is getting higher and higher by the day I am not really sure what Ford/GM are going to do.....Surely Obama wont give them any more bailout money they've already taken 100's of billions of taxpayers money in GFC of 08/09. |
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25-12-2013, 11:14 AM | #13 | |||
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Was Opel owned by Germany or Vauxhall by England ? Toyota was owned by Japan ? i don't thinks so i think it was GM that had a hand in that. Does or is a company like GM owned by the USA ? I think if you look into it all, it does not 100 %, the banks etc own some what of it regard less. Even GM leand money for future endeavours be it from some bank banks etc all over the world. Just as your house is or was owned by, who knows who really. Companys in USA cleaned up after the war, as it was the best place to invest at the time i would think, if you look to see how GM cleaned up everything, boy did it ever. smart people running the show back then. |
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25-12-2013, 01:21 PM | #14 | ||||
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26-12-2013, 09:55 PM | #15 | |||
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Luckily Ford should not ever need bailout money, they are making billions of dollars profit every quarter and i'm sure they are keeping a lot of it stashed away in case another GFC comes along. I'm sure they will be better prepared next time round in terms of cash reserves if the economy crashes again in the future. |
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26-12-2013, 11:19 PM | #16 | |||
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27-12-2013, 02:56 AM | #17 | ||
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Man the anti GM bs in here gets too much sometimes.
GM is investing in plants In the US. Be anti Japanese and anti French makers, before we have nothing left. Ford Aus, just another small arm of a multinational that will close overnight... |
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27-12-2013, 03:46 PM | #18 | |||
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Would it be true to say that Ford US had been planning the withdrawal of Ford Australia manufacturing since he introduction of the AU? I remember a few people saying that because the AU was not engineered for left-hand drive for export markets, eventually the Falcon was certain to fail. But then I think about the other side of the coin, why would Ford US invest money in introducing new engine managements systems such as the new LPG system and the 4 cylinder Falcon, could it have been that they didn't want the Falcon to fail and did see a future here, but in saying that I know that Ford Australia had to develop greener vehicles due to government funding, so this may have just been the reason for Ford US investing a bit more money?
It is interesting though that the Americans seem to love the look of the Falcon, I see a lot of positive comments from Americans "why can't we get one of these in the states" and such, but then we only have to look at the Commodore export program and see how dismal that is to see that the truth is not many Americans would purchase a Falcon if it was exported left-hand drive. Maybe we missed the middle east market?
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27-12-2013, 06:10 PM | #19 | ||
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It's a Ford Forum.
I've had to put up with a BS GM funded add on my TV for the past few days...the patronising tone of it is unbelievable.
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It's a Ford (irrespective of where and when it was built) car lovers forum, that's also accepting of lovers of others makes of cars (again irrespective of where and when they were built)
Being mainly Ford peeps on here though, it's par for the course for the majority to be very unforgiving of GM and their antics. |
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29-12-2013, 11:38 AM | #22 | |||
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Yes Vauxhall was English and Opel German before being bought by GM. |
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29-12-2013, 02:24 PM | #23 | ||
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And old Humpy was closer to Cruze in size than Commodore...
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29-12-2013, 05:25 PM | #24 | ||
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quite an interesting doco series on Discovery turbo max at the moment, it's called "Wide Open Road" about motoring history of Oz, did you know that the first car to break 300Kmh was an aussie designed and built car back in the late 20s!
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29-12-2013, 06:15 PM | #25 | |||
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30-12-2013, 06:16 PM | #26 | |||
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USA was a much more wealthy nation than aus, so we could not all be driving V8's like the yank tanks. |
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31-12-2013, 12:52 PM | #27 | ||
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Then why was it an unused Chevrolet design?
They obviously had a plan for it if Chev went to the lengths of designing it? Wasn't it designed before Holden even had the go ahead to build Australia's own car? Chevrolet rejected it as being too small, but obviously they looked at it as a possible new model. Just like a lot of submissions, a lot of them don't make it past the design stages and into production, but it doesn't mean they didn't think they might put it into production, otherwise why would they have bothered designing it in the first place. |
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Didn't know of this, but I do remember reading Ford US canned the idea of making a left hand drive Falcon for export, not sure on the reasons, could have been the car unions in the US not liking the idea, they are powerful unions in the US.
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Obviously GM in the USA run the whole show. If you know how a company like GM etc work, you would know that wars don't mean jack to them. they have to think past all that and would have people working on products in the future. they are on the ball mate they don't just drop everything for some stupid war or anything business is business and that's all that matters. |
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