Why People Buy Camry's..

[mik]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Lol great!!! And what are you going to do with all these millions you have saved by driving a pos car? Get the undertaker to bury you with all the cash?? Yeh sure!

Driving a Camry is one thing but acting like a hero because you drive a 12 year old car that's worth less then the average weekly pay cheque is something else...

Camry only has solid sales thanks to government fleet and rental buyers. They are the cheapest of the 3 locals.

i think its more about not having to go and get stuff repaired every couple of years ,
they generally last without having to replace ball joints or other items that do fail on other cars, some times sooner rather than later, toyota puts more effort into going the extra mile to make sure you dont come back with things that fail in the short term that most definitely should not .
if only my au had the electric windows that are in my 25 year old lexus , or the hand brake design, or the, or the,
i still love my falcon , it has many good points,
but you can see why people go back for seconds with the toyo, i do not think it is just because of fleet sales..

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by mik

i think its more about not having to go and get stuff repaired every couple of years ,
they generally last without having to replace ball joints or other items that do fail on other cars, some times sooner rather than later, toyota puts more effort into going the extra mile to make sure you dont come back with things that fail in the short term that most definitely should not .
if only my au had the electric windows that are in my 25 year old lexus , or the hand brake design, or the, or the,
i still love my falcon , it has many good points,
but you can see why people go back for seconds with the toyo, i do not think it is just because of fleet sales..

Toyotas lasting longer or being built better is such a myth.
Last year in Aus alone there was nearly 20 safety recalls for Toyotas, compared to the 15 for holdens and the 10 for Fords!
There's allready been a safety recall for Toyota this year,and a Lexus at that! Even ahold ens had one.

I'd recall the Camry and give it a facelift.....that face is dangerous......

[mcflux]

Temporarily repping an MCV20R here until I can take delivery of my new car. (err, torque steer on gravel?)

Yeah they're not much different to a mobility scooter when it comes to driving, but they can take a beating. My wife's old Camry's now at 330k & has won my respect, especially after playing chicken with a log truck & going for a 4WD adventure without breaking anything.

[The Snout]

Originally Posted by mik

i think its more about not having to go and get stuff repaired every couple of years ,
they generally last without having to replace ball joints or other items that do fail on other cars, some times sooner rather than later, toyota puts more effort into going the extra mile to make sure you dont come back with things that fail in the short term that most definitely should not .
if only my au had the electric windows that are in my 25 year old lexus , or the hand brake design, or the, or the,
i still love my falcon , it has many good points,
but you can see why people go back for seconds with the toyo, i do not think it is just because of fleet sales..

Thanks mik, that is correct. It's about a low maintenance high reliability option for the 2nd car, to put it simply.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Ben73

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Colours and angles can make a big differance. Last time I was at my local Ford dealership there was a black FGX Faclon XR8 on the showroom floor. I can tell you now it looked better than any Toyota I have ever seen.

Looks are subjective though

The thing is, it's not like the Toyotas look hellish ugly like they did the nineties. Most manufacturers have moved on and there aren't many ugly cars around even Kia, Hyundai et. al are nice looking cars, even down to nice alloys and low profile tyres on most cheap base model cars.

So now that looks are pretty good across the board, the appalling quality and dismal lack of features makes falcon look like a pretty sh....tty proposition to anyone with half an ounce of common sense.

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Temporarily repping an MCV20R here until I can take delivery of my new car. (err, torque steer on gravel?)

Yeah they're not much different to a mobility scooter when it comes to driving, but they can take a beating. My wife's old Camry's now at 330k & has won my respect, especially after playing chicken with a log truck & going for a 4WD adventure without breaking anything.

Don't knock the MCV20 bruh. My first car was a MCV20 Lexus ES300, basically the same as the Camry but much nicer on the inside, slightly more powerful (210 HP V6) and better suspension (Electronically Modulated Independent Suspension). That car was an absolute beaut. I would argue that in some cases it's actually better than a falcodore prior to the FG range. I mean these car's are tanks and drive like it, which isn't a bad thing necessarily. I like the tanky feeling of these cars. The MCV20's just glided though, felt very very light and nimble, cornered like a dream too. The TEMS suspension system really payed off.

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by Stefan

The thing is, it's not like the Toyotas look hellish ugly like they did the nineties. Most manufacturers have moved on and there aren't many ugly cars around even Kia, Hyundai et. al are nice looking cars, even down to nice alloys and low profile tyres on most cheap base model cars.



So now that looks are pretty good across the board, the appalling quality and dismal lack of features makes falcon look like a pretty sh....tty proposition to anyone with half an ounce of common sense.

Except every new Lexus. Have ago at this thing

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Except every new Lexus. Have ago at this thingimage

Agreed landcruiser and kluger are pretty damn ugly too, but I'm not an SUV fan at all.

[The Snout]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Lol great!!! And what are you going to do with all these millions you have saved by driving a pos car? Get the undertaker to bury you with all the cash?? Yeh sure!

Life is all about choices. Choosing to be thrifty on the 2nd car over the years has enabling the savings to buy a motorhome for touring. That's what going budget on the 2nd car has been about, accomplishing other things.

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

Except every new Lexus. Have ago at this thingimage

I'm pretty sure they took their inspiration from the Alien vs. Predator franchise

[mik]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Toyotas lasting longer or being built better is such a myth.
Last year in Aus alone there was nearly 20 safety recalls for Toyotas, compared to the 15 for holdens and the 10 for Fords!
There's allready been a safety recall for Toyota this year,and a Lexus at that! Even ahold ens had one.

I'd recall the Camry and give it a facelift.....that face is dangerous......

well , i can only say of the 5 toyotas(albeit older ones ) and one ford(which is still a good car) in my driveway not counting the previous toyos i`ve had , it is obvious to me which cars have more care into their design and build by a country mile, although none of them are camrys , i know people with camrys and when they eventually wear out guess which brand of car they look at again.
as for the myth of toyotas lasting long

i only need to say one thing
" got diff slap " ? you know i could go on ! (dont make me hurt you ).

yes im sure toyota owners would be grossly offended at having a sensor replaced or a switch, and if we add numbers into the game, toyota makes and sells a shed load of vehicles , so they are bound to have more recalls due to numbers alone i think, but hey to each his own.

[Wretched]

Originally Posted by mik

well , i can only say of the 5 toyotas(albeit older ones ) and one ford(which is still a good car) in my driveway not counting the previous toyos i`ve had , it is obvious to me which cars have more care into their design and build by a country mile, although none of them are camrys , i know people with camrys and when they eventually wear out guess which brand of car they look at again.
as for the myth of toyotas lasting long

i only need to say one thing
" got diff slap " ? you know i could go on ! (dont make me hurt you ).

yes im sure toyota owners would be grossly offended at having a sensor replaced or a switch, and if we add numbers into the game, toyota makes and sells a shed load of vehicles , so they are bound to have more recalls due to numbers alone i think, but hey to each his own.

Adding to this, recalls != long term reliability issues.

[Uwish]

You mean Falcon and Commodore drivers that think their car is a real replica of a V8SC!!!
Look at the sales and that is where it ends, BOTH POS aussie cars are dead.
If Holden and Ford don't step up their imports will follow.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Toyotas lasting longer or being built better is such a myth.
Last year in Aus alone there was nearly 20 safety recalls for Toyotas, compared to the 15 for holdens and the 10 for Fords!
There's allready been a safety recall for Toyota this year,and a Lexus at that! Even ahold ens had one.

I'd recall the Camry and give it a facelift.....that face is dangerous......

I don't think you can use the amount of safety recalls to determine how quality a car is. Toyota may have had 20 safety issues and recalled the cars for all 20 issues. Ford may have had 40 safety issues and did recalls for just 10 of those.

But yes, Camrys are boring and ugly.

[mik]

Originally Posted by tempted

Toyotas only last long because they are driven by old people who never go over 2000rpm. Falcons and Commodores are more performance orientated and are owned by people who tend to drive them hard, so it's no surprise that they break or wear out quicker.

[mcflux]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

Don't knock the MCV20 bruh. My first car was a MCV20 Lexus ES300, basically the same as the Camry but much nicer on the inside, slightly more powerful (210 HP V6) and better suspension (Electronically Modulated Independent Suspension). That car was an absolute beaut. I would argue that in some cases it's actually better than a falcodore prior to the FG range. I mean these car's are tanks and drive like it, which isn't a bad thing necessarily. I like the tanky feeling of these cars. The MCV20's just glided though, felt very very light and nimble, cornered like a dream too. The TEMS suspension system really payed off.

Despite my respect for the MCV20 & how much of a beating it can take (basically the sedan version of that Top Gear hilux), it's still a motorised wheelchair.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by The Snout

Life is all about choices. Choosing to be thrifty on the 2nd car over the years has enabling the savings to buy a motorhome for touring. That's what going budget on the 2nd car has been about, accomplishing other things.

Yes that is all well and good, but there's no point in going around saying you're humble because you drive an old Camry, yet disclose how much you earn to make yourself feel better. Sorry but to me that makes no sense to me.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Camry only has solid sales thanks to government fleet and rental buyers. They are the cheapest of the 3 locals.

I think many people forget this fact.

"People" don't buy Camry's, fleets do. Yes a few private buyers choose them because of the value/reliability/inoffensiveness equation(something that I respect), but the vast majority of those big monthly sales numbers are to rental and government fleets as well as the vast Toyota "executive" programme.

It has also been widely reported that Toyota desperately need to maintain factory output, for various commercial reasons, until closure. This has meant a major push on dealers to register cars and, again, to renew the "executive" fleet often.

Holden still do this too, and Ford used to.

Once the Toyota factory closes I bet the monthly sales numbers for the Camry will come back down to roost with other in the medium car segment and wont command the healthy lead it now does.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by tempted

That would also explain why Camry sales recently went from 5000 one month to 500 the next.

And the national January "Demo" sale.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by tempted

Toyotas only last long because they are driven by old people who never go over 2000rpm. Falcons and Commodores are more performance orientated and are owned by people who tend to drive them hard, so it's no surprise that they break or wear out quicker.

88 SV21's for limiter bouncing roll backs / fish hooks - swing that handbrake for smoke shows

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Yes that is all well and good, but there's no point in going around saying you're humble because you drive an old Camry, yet disclose how much you earn to make yourself feel better. Sorry but to me that makes no sense to me.

personal choice here - i can roll in a reliable old chunk of sh for work and running around, breathe through my mouth, park anywhere with nfg and only lift the bonnet if something sounds funny (lol)

would bang again when this one eventually dies

[The Snout]

Originally Posted by Smoke Pursuit

Sorry but to me that makes no sense to me.

Agreed. Maybe I didn't need to disclose, but my reasons for a Camry stand and the reception to the post says most see the point of view.

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by tempted

Toyotas only last long because they are driven by old people who never go over 2000rpm. Falcons and Commodores are more performance orientated and are owned by people who tend to drive them hard, so it's no surprise that they break or wear out quicker.

Toyota's at my work have been treated like crap and now have 550,000kms on the clock and still drive well.
Some have missed services by several thousand kms.
Flying down rough dirt roads, vibrating so much it could make you feel sick.
WOT on a cold engine is something they go through regularly.
WOT is a common thing they are put through since we drive on highways most of the time.
550,000kms and hundreds, maybe even thousands of hours idling and they still drive like new. The idle time is scary to be honest. We got in one the other day which has been idling for couple of hours in 40 degree heat. No idea why it was left like that, but in this job someone could of got out of it expecting to return few minutes later only to get caught up doing something and leaving the car there.

I have never owned a Toyota or been a big fan, but my real world experience with them has made me think they are pretty damn reliable.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by tempted

Toyotas only last long because they are driven by old people who never go over 2000rpm. Falcons and Commodores are more performance orientated and are owned by people who tend to drive them hard, so it's no surprise that they break or wear out quicker.

Toyota is a very interesting company with unique philosophy and approach to developing and building cars. Many companies ( including Ford) implement just in time production methods or continuous improvement philosophy that were invented by Toyota.
Here is an interesting article on Toyota product development based on 5 year study :
https://hbr.org/1998/07/another-look...rates-product-
development

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by tempted

You are obviously talking about Landcruisers here, not regular passenger vehicles like Camry and Corolla which my post (and the whole thread) was referring to.

you obviously have no real time experience in trying to break toyotas

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by tempted

It may be an interesting company but their cars are boring as bat ****.
Your link doesn't work btw.

much like yourself and your posts

boring

bat

****

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by tempted

At least I can put together more than 2 sentences in most of my posts.

keep flapping those little wings upside down internertz bat

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Ghia5L

Temporarily repping an MCV20R here until I can take delivery of my new car. (err, torque steer on gravel?)

Yeah they're not much different to a mobility scooter when it comes to driving, but they can take a beating. My wife's old Camry's now at 330k & has won my respect, especially after playing chicken with a log truck & going for a 4WD adventure without breaking anything.

MCV20 update (circa 2001, square design) would have to be the worst car I have ever driven. The thirsty and gutless 2.2L 5SFE excuse of a motor making a lousy 95kw with no torque. Cheap and flimsy looking. Dad owned one from new and by 198,000km, the thing had absolutely no acceleration ability. It jumped and jerked through roundabouts with the foot flat to the floor and nearly got t-boned a few times. Plastics smelt like a cheap lunchbox and turned black after a few summers. Ergonomics were terrible too, with the stereo/hvac controls tilted towards the passenger side. I wonder why Toyota bothered with this terrible looking design. The 1993 to 1998 Camry was a better car in every way, and the stereo/HVAC actually faced the driver and not the passenger

[SYZ]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

MCV20 update (circa 2001, square design) would have to be the worst car I have ever driven. [...]

I think it's a bit unrealistic to compare a 15-year-old model Camry with the current model—on all grounds both technically and aesthetically.

A lot have described the current $33,820 Camry as boring...



I'd be interested in knowing what allegedly makes this vehicle "boring" because to me it carries many of the design cues of other current vehicles—including the Falcon.
Or do they mean its driving manners are boring because you can't get it to chirp?

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Toyota is a very interesting company with unique philosophy and approach to developing and building cars. Many companies (including Ford) implement just in time production methods or continuous improvement philosophy that were invented by Toyota.
Here is an interesting article on Toyota product development based on 5 year study :
https://hbr.org/1998/07/another-look...rates-product-
development

Just in time was possibly an Aussie invention, being practised at the new integrated manufacturing plant of British Motor Corporation (Australia) in Sydney in the 1950s, at least a decade before Toyota adopted it. They probably came across it while visiting Australia to investigate setting up sales here. The Japanese are great copiers, not innovators. The process suited the particular constraints under which Japanese industry developed during the 60s and 70s.

They're also very good at promoting themselves by being economical with the truth like that notorious Australian advertising campaign claiming the Landcruiser "opened up the Snowy Mountains", later demolished by the ABC. They also managed (with the help of the Americans who thought it came from Japan) to have JIT called the "Toyota Production System" (TPS). It now tends to be called lean manufacturing I believe.

Like the Camry, there's a lot of bs involved with Toyota but they've used it all very cleverly. And as they say, history is written by the winners so the truth gets buried under the propaganda. And people swallow the propaganda.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by new2ford

Just in time was possibly an Aussie invention, being practised at the new integrated manufacturing plant of British Motor Corporation (Australia) in Sydney in the 1950s, at least a decade before Toyota adopted it. They probably came across it while visiting Australia to investigate setting up sales here. The Japanese are great copiers, not innovators. The process suited the particular constraints under which Japanese industry developed during the 60s and 70s.

They're also very good at promoting themselves by being economical with the truth like that notorious Australian advertising campaign claiming the Landcruiser "opened up the Snowy Mountains", later demolished by the ABC. They also managed (with the help of the Americans who thought it came from Japan) to have JIT called the "Toyota Production System" (TPS). It now tends to be called lean manufacturing I believe.

Like the Camry, there's a lot of bs involved with Toyota but they've used it all very cleverly. And as they say, history is written by the winners so the truth gets buried under the propaganda. And people swallow the propaganda.

While it might be true that original invention of just in time production wasn't Toyotas it is also fact that they are the ones who implemented it to reality of large scale manufacturing.
It is not as much about copying but more about persisting with the idea and developing it to its full potential. Ideas are great but there is something in following them through as well.