Hundreds of guns seized in NSW raid

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Ken you seem fixated on the defense of possessions thing.

My original point in this thread was the defense of your person and it still is. You're saying it's not right to shoot someone (again you fixate on the killing, I'm talking about shooting to stop) who only wants to steal your possessions.

If you stop the guy stealing your possessions then he's probably going to attack you, then it becomes a case of defending your life. The whole whole point of CCW is to defend your, or your families lives. That's it, full stop. The problem you seem to have with it is that if they're only after your possessions then that's ok. So what about someone who just wants to assault you, rape you or kill you. Rape and assault are survivable but I would certainly shoot to stop either from happening to me or mine.

As for martial arts, yep, been there done that. I met my wife at Karate and I did it for about four years. I gave up when it became more about how much work the school could squeeze out of me rather than what I learned. I paid my fees each month for the privilege of running classes three times a week while not receiving a reduction in fees or any extra training myself. I also learned that martial arts might look good in the dojo but generally you won't use much of it on the street. The best thing about martial arts is learning to take a hit and what it's like to actually hit someone hard but other than that you're better off using knees and elbows and going for the soft targets like the throat, groin or your opponents knees. Martial arts is also not much use against multiple attackers. A gun however is the great equaliser.
It doesn't matter if your young or old, weak or strong, fat or thin. With some training anyone can be proficient with a firearm, certainly within the ranges of self defense (10m or less). The same can't be said for martial arts or even running away. I can certainly outrun my wife or seven year old daughter, but I can't outrun attackers with them at my side.

CCW isn't about punishment, it's about defense. Even in America (most states anyway) it's not OK to shoot someone who is running away with your stuff and I'm certainly not advocating that here. What I am advocating is the use of force to defend yourself from robbery, rape or assault.