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Originally Posted by Des

Hows this just off the top of my head:

1. Chasis hard points.
2. Basic suspension (though they did add two "links" and dropped the rigid axle, then re-engineered to add it back for some utes)
3. Door openings (especially rear)
4. Most, if not all of the floor pan.
5. Manual Gearbox
6. 4 speed auto (though they have added a heavy duty version)
7. Basic dash structure

Most, if not all of the above has been changed on the Falcon over the same period (needed to be as well). To the point that Holden are now behind the eightball. The VE will be the first all new Commodore since the VN, therefore, today's Commodore still has parts of the VN underneath.
My post stands.

Are you blind? or as I suggested just ignorant.

AU Falcon -> BF Falcon
1 - All chassis hard points are the same
2 - Falcon still using Live rear from XD or even earlier in the ute series (with coils instead of leaf) Commodore was the first to introduce IRS accross the board (as crap as it is). Now falcon has IRS
3 - Actual doors are the exact same. Same as the roof.
4 - Entire floor pan exactly the same.
5 - Commodores manual gearbox updated from 5 speed to 6 speed. and now new 6 speed for 6 cyl. Similar situation for falcon.
Commodores auto now a five speed (up spec models) Same as falcon (6SP)
6 - Commodores dash structure is completely new from VT/VX to VY/VZ, same situation for Falcon.

What about engines?? the Current 4.0 is a evolution of a 170CU USA motor from the sixties. Same as the 3.8 in Holden, (now a brand new 3.6 V6.
Both camps V8s, updated.

So no, your post does not stand, it highlights that your opinions of the red brand are based on inaccurate information, and that makes your assessment invalid. My point is that both the falcon and commodore have developed at the same rate. Funny about that, given its the same pool of engineers that design both, and the same suppliers who make the parts!!
The fact that Ford had to spend so much means that we should have a better product than Holden (which we all think we do), but Holden still sells more cars, so why would they go and spend heaps of $$$ when the market tells tham they dont have to. If Falcon suddenly came along and started to sell more cars, don't you think Holden would do something about it?? $$.

You are obviously one of those blind Ford fans who thinks the BA was an all new Falcon, instead of a $500,000 000 update to a product that the public hated. And as such has put the development of a new Falcon platform back at least 5 years.
Make no mistake, when VE is released, Ford Australia will be in for a world of pain. There is no "ALL new Falcon platform" on the horison (to the same extent as VE). Ford will be competing against VE with a platform that is 10 years old, albeit with major (costly) updates. No matter how good we think the Falcon is, its not a fair comparison, and will get thumped.
Don't get me wrong, I love my Fords, but I hate listening to one sided inaccurate arguements. It does nothing for our brand except show us as being ignorant. No doubt the Holden forums are guilty of the same, but does that mean we must aswell? :