advice on p plates.

[Ford_Boy]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Not stopping at a STOP sign is an automatic fail item and the signs are deliberately placed at registries, indeed any action requiring intervention by the tester is also an automatic fail.

Another way to be caught is when you enter signposted 10km/h SHARED TRAFFIC ZONES. Here, doing 30km/h will see you fail, as exceeding the speed limit is an automatic fail item too!

I note your comments as to passengers as a P1 holder and offer this link;
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/newsevents...ml?hhid=pplate

Question: In your progress to date, did you even once read the NSW "Road Users' Handbook"?

It's downloadable in Pdf (2.92kb), but I always suggest the printed $10 version which fits neatly into a glovebox!
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/...uh_english.pdf

An obvious observation here is that you are being told 'how to get a license', not necessarily 'how to drive', although the RUH above - does have a greater amount of defensive driver and practical advice than past efforts.

New national rules due 2007, these will be added to all state and territory manuals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_driving

are you saying that i don't know the rules of the road? of course i know the rules or i would have gotten 90 plus. there is a difference in knowingly disobeying a sign then accidently not seeing the sign. at the time of the incident cars were pulling out of parking spaces and my attention was focused on the trafic and not the sign mounted 3 metres above my car. that sign becomes unseeable once close. when i passed the stop sign i didnt even know about it being above me. its not a sign sitting on a pole like other signs. it is a sign mounted on top of a fence.

i am 100percent certain that sign is not practical and it is designed to catch people out. it just means i have to redo my test and pay another 42 bucks. the sign is not necesary because there is no line after the sign if there is a line it would have been under the sign which means i would have stopped and my veiw would have been obstructed by the fences and my veiw of the road would have been only visible front on. you still have to pass and give way to all the traffic. i gave way and proceeded. when it comes to stop signs i stopped at all the lines on the street waited 5 seconds and continued along. i know how to read signs.

i failed end of story but i don't really appreciate being told that i don't know the road rules and of course i know its an imediate fail if you miss a stop sign, thats why its so carefully placed to catch out people. i know of 3 other people who have done the same thing. it's not the end of the world i'll do the test again, i will see the stop sign and then i will have no excuses. it just means i have 42 less dollars to spend on a car.