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30-04-2009, 11:56 PM | #1 | ||
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Chrysler will declare itself bankrutpt today, White House officials said, after last minute talks with the carmaker’s smaller lenders broke down late last night.
President Barack Obama, accompanied by members of his car taskforce, will make a statement on the issue at noon today. White House officials said that the carmaker had the full support of its stakeholders, including its largest lenders and union. An administration official accused Chrysler's smaller lenders of "failing to act in either their own economic interest or the national interest" but added that Chrysler now had an opportunity to restructure and "emerge stronger going forward". "After a month of tireless negotiations, the Administration went into yesterday afternoon with the full support of Chrysler's key stakeholders, including the UAW and the largest creditors. That support remains." The bankruptcy filing comes after talks failed with the smaller lenders that hold a portion of Chrysler's $6.9 billion debt who refused to write off their share of the borrowing. Chrysler had offered $2 billion in cash in return for the debt being written off, which was accepted by the four largest lenders — JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs. The US Treasury last night sweetened the offer to $2.25 million but smaller lenders, including a number of hedge funds, refused the offer. The Treasury has prepared for Chrysler to enter a brief “surgical” bankruptcy that avoids liquidating the company. Chrysler's tie-up with Fiat, the Italian carmaker, is expected to go ahead and could be approved as early as next week. A quick bankruptcy would allow Fiat to pick and choose the assets it wanted from Chrysler without taking on some of the company's liabilities and underperforming businesses. Under a deal signed in January, Fiat would first take a 20 per cent stake which would then rise eventually to 51 per cent. It would pay nothing, but would provide access for Chrysler to its technology, particularly for smaller, more efficient vehicles. A bankruptcy for Chrysler could be a prelude to a similar fate for General Motors (GM), its larger rival, which is also struggling in the face of the steepest economic downturn in decades. http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle6199335.ece |
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01-05-2009, 12:00 AM | #2 | ||
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So what happens to Chrysler in Australia now?
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How do they stay when there are no Chryslers being made?
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01-05-2009, 08:08 AM | #5 | ||
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Now saved by a merger with Fiat.
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01-05-2009, 09:07 AM | #6 | ||
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It will be interesting to see what models are culled. PT Cruiser ?, Sebring ? what about the Dodge and Jeep models ??
Remember FIAT stands for Fix It Again Tony !!!
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01-05-2009, 09:14 AM | #8 | ||
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Yes, great a Fiysler or Chryiat. ;)
Merger talks should have been done and dusted months ago. Not at the 11th hour. But ignorance led the way. Silly yanks. I've been involved with 2 sporting clubs that either faced death or merge, in a handful of years. Whilst talks were in the mindset of "old fashioness", justice prevailed and clubs merged twice over for the clubs interests. This club has now merged yet again about 2-3 years ago and now is at the top end of the sport. Whilst 3 clubs are no more, it has made a more competitve club overall. The other 3 clubs never made it to this elite level. |
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Details of Chapter 11 Bankruptcy Protection can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_11
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FIAT was clearly aware of the massive debts owing to Chrysler, and they were not willing to form an alliance (where FIAT own's 20% of Chrysler) until the debt issue was sorted. The filing of Chapter 11 Bankrupcty protection now allows the director's of Chrysler, under guidance of the US courts, to restructure Chrysler in such a way that they can convert the debt outstanding to equity and change the priority of ranking of existing creditors to allow additional financing. Once Chrysler get's its cards in order, FIAT will be willing to take on a larger exposure of the Chrysler business. |
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01-05-2009, 11:26 AM | #11 | ||
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Dave does that mean that Chryslers total assets exceed their total liabilities and the chapter 11 allows the directors to dip further into this and trade on even though the company is technically insolvent?
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Report on Chrysler going into bankruptcy
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They may remain open but all this uncertainty can't be good for buyer confidence in the brand....
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Well this puts an end to a hope of bringing the Dodge Charger into Australia. Well at least I have driven one in the states, a big fairwell to the ol tough american bruiser.
In terms of how Chrylser Australia reacts and consumer confidence. We have to look at the 380 and how they are fairing in the market place.
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01-05-2009, 05:01 PM | #18 | ||
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Chapter 11, in Australia would be termed "in Administration" where the company still operates with the oversight of the courts.
Chapter 7 = Down the gurgler. Liquidation or what we call bankruptcy in Aus.
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The difference in Australia is that an External Administrator, who is a registered liquidator takes control of the business an needs to form a view whether it is in best interests of creditors to wind up the business, arrange a company agreement between the directors and creditors, or return the business to the directors. So Aus rules are more rigid than US rules |
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In all seriousness Fiat are doing well. In talks to buy Opel too. |
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Since Chrysler is so much smaller than GM this might be a way to get an idea of how Chapter 11 affects GM's suppliers and dealers without catastrophic results.
Suppliers that have been waiting 2 months, 3 months, 5 months, and 6 months to get paid are now being blown off completely with the Chapter 11. Let's see how many fold and the affect on the other manufacturers. Fiat started right away with the UAW and CAW workers. That was one of the delays. Once again, a company is looking for most of the cost savings from 10% of the business expenses. Steve
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Just some news on Chrysler's view.
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The US court has allowed Fiat Chrysler deal to go ahead.
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06-05-2009, 03:12 PM | #24 | ||
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My understanding is this allows the company to rid themselves of the UAW and hire staff at 'market rate' to make them competitive with asian manufacturers?
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Lastly it is possible for these type of arrangements to happen in any type of administration in Australia
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More info on the Chrysler Fiat deal
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Chrysler is shutting 3200 dealerships in the US.
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man thats bad news.. so many jobs lost
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Apparently if Fiat deal falls through Chrysler will be in big trouble.
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Chryslers new chairman
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