92 years later, Germany pays off its debt

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

actually they had to blame world war 1 on someone, so they chose Deutschland. I strongly believe that if this didnt happen there would not have been a world war 2. the reason for this is Deutschland's economy would not have been totally screwed and the Deutsch public wouldnt of had to look to an extremist with a "good" plan to get them out of it.

AND for a while there people were better off under Hitler, and that is a reality. Or 'was':-)

Shame about is European Tour though.....

[DJR-351]

Anybody here able to put a $$ value on the Holocaust and when this should be paid off....

It's got me ********* why this is even being discused on a car forum....

[flappist]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Anybody here able to put a $$ value on the Holocaust and when this should be paid off....

It's got me ********* why this is even being discused on a car forum....

And that is the problem exactly.

The genocide of Tasmanian Aboriginies.
The various ethnic cleansings in Yugoslavia, USSR, China, Middle east, SE Asia, USA, Africa et al.
The crusades, inquisition, jihads et al.

All tragedies, all embarrassing examples of human beings at their worst.

But one group who were less than 20% of the total number of innocent people murdered during an extended conflict just go on and on and on and have gained more money and power out of this event than any other ever.

The entire population of earth have been paying off the WW2 Holocaust since 1945 and will continue to do so while ever USA is a world power.

A lesson learned by every school kid. If you have a big friend looking out for you, you don't have to be nice, fair or popular..........until the day your big friend leaves school.

[bungarra]

Originally Posted by flappist

And that is the problem exactly.

The genocide of Tasmanian Aboriginies.
The various ethnic cleansings in Yugoslavia, USSR, China, Middle east, SE Asia, USA, Africa et al.
The crusades, inquisition, jihads et al.

All tragedies, all embarrassing examples of human beings at their worst.

But one group who were less than 20% of the total number of innocent people murdered during an extended conflict just go on and on and on and have gained more money and power out of this event than any other ever.

The entire population of earth have been paying off the WW2 Holocaust since 1945 and will continue to do so while ever USA is a world power.

A lesson learned by every school kid. If you have a big friend looking out for you, you don't have to be nice, fair or popular..........until the day your big friend leaves school.

Obvious a poke at Israel flappist? Funny how most of Israel's new warships and submarines are being purchased at full market rate from Germany. The new Tavor rifle was designed with the help of Germany, so I think Germany is no longer paying for the holocaust. The German Army are training with Israeli soldiers on regular occassions.

As for paying of war debt, Britain only finished paying the Canadians and Americans back for loans during WW2. We only paid off our debt to the US in the 1990's.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by flappist

And that is the problem exactly.

The genocide of Tasmanian Aboriginies.
The various ethnic cleansings in Yugoslavia, USSR, China, Middle east, SE Asia, USA, Africa et al.
The crusades, inquisition, jihads et al.

All tragedies, all embarrassing examples of human beings at their worst.

But one group who were less than 20% of the total number of innocent people murdered during an extended conflict just go on and on and on and have gained more money and power out of this event than any other ever.

The entire population of earth have been paying off the WW2 Holocaust since 1945 and will continue to do so while ever USA is a world power.

A lesson learned by every school kid. If you have a big friend looking out for you, you don't have to be nice, fair or popular..........until the day your big friend leaves school.

I thought the USA was the only thing keeping all the morons at bay but in the last 20 years she has been declining rapidly into a filthy greed redin atheist pack of no hopers. sorry to say Australia on the same path to now.
That 20% are way better educated than most could fathom but for that old stumbling block it's still there.

[Iggypoppin']

Call me a softy, I just wish world governments wouldn't war anymore. You know?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by Iggypoppin'

Call me a softy, I just wish world governments wouldn't war anymore. You know?

Aslong as Money & Religion still exist there will be wars.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Anybody here able to put a $$ value on the Holocaust and when this should be paid off....

It's got me ********* why this is even being discused on a car forum....

So we're not allowed to talk about anything other than cars? This is a part of history.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

Aslong as Money & Religion still exist there will be wars.

You will never get rid of religion, that is one thing that is for sure. it is totally impossible.

Some peoples religion can be money or anything they want to idolise. as in some people do not think they are religious but they are really, but they just don't know it because they are ignorant fools.

Wars are mainly due to arguments as long as there are arguments there will be wars.

Ignorance, superstition, greed, hatred, are all recipes for disaster.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

So we're not allowed to talk about anything other than cars? This is a part of history.

Its a car forum, if we could talk about all kinds of things then this place would get out of control.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Its a car forum, if we could talk about all kinds of things then this place would get out of control.

[vztrt]

^^ well there is enough pointless rubbish posted by people pushing their views. Imagine it was open slather.

[zdcol71]

Originally Posted by vztrt

^^ well there is enough pointless rubbish posted by people pushing their views. Imagine it was open slather.

"
"Its a car forum, if we could talk about all kinds of things then this place would get out of control."

I actually thought you were being a little ironic.
"Threads in Forum:The Bar - For non Automotive Related Chat"....taken directly from the top of the page.

[vztrt]

As long as it doesn't go against the T&C.

So there is a limit.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by bungarra

Obvious a poke at Israel flappist? Funny how most of Israel's new warships and submarines are being purchased at full market rate from Germany. The new Tavor rifle was designed with the help of Germany, so I think Germany is no longer paying for the holocaust. The German Army are training with Israeli soldiers on regular occassions.

As for paying of war debt, Britain only finished paying the Canadians and Americans back for loans during WW2. We only paid off our debt to the US in the 1990's.

Why do people think Germans hate Israel, they don't and never did.
The German nation had emigrants of Jews dating back to the year 300 and before, but most became Christians.
Many Germans have a Jewish ancestry even most of the Nazi hierarchy are as was the Austrian born Hitler.

[fordomatic]

Originally Posted by flappist
And that is the problem exactly. The genocide of Tasmanian Aboriginies. The various ethnic cleansings in Yugoslavia, USSR, China, Middle east, SE Asia, USA, Africa et al. The crusades, inquisition, jihads et al. All tragedies, all embarrassing examples of human beings at their worst. But one group who were less than 20% of the total number of innocent people murdered during an extended conflict just go on and on and on and have gained more money and power out of this event than any other ever. The entire population of earth have been paying off the WW2 Holocaust since 1945 and will continue to do so while ever USA is a world power. A lesson learned by every school kid. If you have a big friend looking out for you, you don't have to be nice, fair or popular..........until the day your big friend leaves school.

Amen Flappist, i hate it how Deutschland cops so much crap for what happened. The young generation of there citizens are still feeling the pain of what happened today. I have spent a lot of time in Deutschland and i genuinely feel sorry for them that they are hardly patriotic to there country. when the winter Olympics were on i was cheering for Australia yelling loudly, they couldnt understand how i could get so excited for my country to win gold. the world cup in 2006 definitely helped the country alot, they devolved a little bit of pride, but they have a long way to go. but still the majority of Australians are so ignorant that when you tell them Germany is your second favourite country in the world they say "why would you like Nazi's?". this is why Deutschland cant move forward.

[vztrt]

^^ at 1.15 might explain it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoLIU2NI66w

Funny but there are people who think this way.

[fordomatic]

yeh and at 1.15 is exactly why the modern world annoys the hell out of me. how can a country move forward if all they get is grief from the past.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by fordomatic

Amen Flappist, i hate it how Deutschland cops so much crap for what happened. The young generation of there citizens are still feeling the pain of what happened today. I have spent a lot of time in Deutschland and i genuinely feel sorry for them that they are hardly patriotic to there country. when the winter Olympics were on i was cheering for Australia yelling loudly, they couldnt understand how i could get so excited for my country to win gold. the world cup in 2006 definitely helped the country alot, they devolved a little bit of pride, but they have a long way to go. but still the majority of Australians are so ignorant that when you tell them Germany is your second favourite country in the world they say "why would you like Nazi's?". this is why Deutschland cant move forward.

Everyone raves on about Adolf Hitler, but really when you look at other leaders in power, his 6,000,000 dead Jews he is responsible for is on the small scale compared to the others.

That of course doesn't take away from what he did, but there where others which people have well and truely forgotton about, which probably reflects on history taught at school.

Mao, responsible for the death of 40,000,000 people.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Everyone raves on about Adolf Hitler, but really when you look at other leaders in power, his 6,000,000 dead Jews he is responsible for is on the small scale compared to the others.

That of course doesn't take away from what he did, but there where others which people have well and truely forgotton about, which probably reflects on history taught at school.

Mao, responsible for the death of 40,000,000 people.

WW2 estimaded death toll 50,000,000 to 70,000,000+ world wide....

China estimated death toll 40,000,000 in country....

USSR estimated death toll 20,000,000 in country....

The problem(s) with your comparison is you left out the other estimated 50 to 60 million deaths worldwide directly attributed Hitler kicking of WW2.

There are still plenty of people around the world who survived it, there are still millions of people around the world that where just kids at the time, and lost a parent (or both) or other family members. My grandfather was killed when a German bomb was dropped on him, my grandmothers brother was killed when a German torpedo blew his ship out from under him, my dad’s older brother was killed somewhere in Africa by German artillery.

I don’t harbor any animosity to the Germans, but the fact is it is not a distant memory for some, it only ended 60 years ago, how many 70, 80, 90 or 100 year old people are there around the world...???

As for Mao or Stalin, what they did was basically internal within their own country, and you have to understand at the time there respected countries where very much a mystery and closed off to the outside world and had very little effect on the population worldwide, I don’t mean nobody cared, it’s just that for the majority of the world it did not affect them like WW2 did....

"LEST WE FORGET" think about what that means for some people....

[glavas]

i dont see why germany should take the blame for ww1. a few events and bam europe explodes into hell.

whats sucks is the german army was still unbeaten in the field. there stupid government is what let them down.

and dont get me started on ww2 germany so could have won it if hitler was not such a idiot. listened to his generals took out england before he went east. and not declare war on the usa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! far out i could go on all day.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by glavas

i dont see why germany should take the blame for ww1. a few events and bam europe explodes into hell.

whats sucks is the german army was still unbeaten in the field. there stupid government is what let them down.

and dont get me started on ww2 germany so could have won it if hitler was not such a idiot. listened to his generals took out england before he went east. and not declare war on the usa!!!!!!!!!!!!!! far out i could go on all day.

Your a ******* idiot mate.......

Why the **** would you want Germany to take out England you sick ****

[glavas]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Your a ******* idiot mate.......

Why the **** would you want Germany to take out England you sick ****

did i say i wanted that to happen? speaking from a military point of view. and the fact that im half german im not to fussed on the english anyway.

[Professor Farnsworth]

I doubt I need to point out why we're done here.