The Thailand Special Thread - New Developments/News

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

If they did that it's more than $6k worth.

Double that figure and that's conservative

Probably somewhere around 2.5x is accurate if you were getting it all done through the dealership, it costs me around $8,000 just in parts alone to buy a complete injector kit for a 1VD-FTV.

Saw a pantech Mercedes sprinter cab chassis fridge van today, this is a market the new Ranger Super Duty could cut into.

I wonder if Ford Australia is going to partner up with second stage manufacturers locally to deliver 'out the box' solutions to the services and trades industry, like Isuzu Truck does:

https://www.isuzu.com.au/our-range/ready-to-work/

You can walk in and order a couple different configurations of the base vehicle and it's delivered as a kitted out vehicle, rather than taking delivery of a cab chassis vehicle then organising with a second stage manufacturer to turn it into what you need.

I've done a bit of work with Isuzu truck in the past, they have an in house engineering team that partners with local industry to deliver their customers OEM quality out the box solutions for their new vehicle orders.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Double that figure and that's conservative

Probably somewhere around 2.5x is accurate if you were getting it all done through the dealership, it costs me around $8,000 just in parts alone to buy a complete injector kit for a 1VD-FTV.

Saw a pantech Mercedes sprinter cab chassis fridge van today, this is a market the new Ranger Super Duty could cut into.

I wonder if Ford Australia is going to partner up with second stage manufacturers locally to deliver 'out the box' solutions to the services and trades industry, like Isuzu Truck does:

https://www.isuzu.com.au/our-range/ready-to-work/

You can walk in and order a couple different configurations of the base vehicle and it's delivered as a kitted out vehicle, rather than taking delivery of a cab chassis vehicle then organising with a second stage manufacturer to turn it into what you need.

I've done a bit of work with Isuzu truck in the past, they have an in house engineering team that partners with local industry to deliver their customers OEM quality out the box solutions for their new vehicle orders.

Do they still sell the large LWB RWD transits, in cab chassis as well?
Ranger won’t have the chassis length to accomodate a high cube box like a high GVM euro van will?

Re BYD Shark. I stumbled across a public Australian FB group for one.
These blokes/fan bois are in a cult. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it.

[Fordman1]

Originally Posted by smoo

Do they still sell the large LWB RWD transits, in cab chassis as well?
Ranger won’t have the chassis length to accomodate a high cube box like a high GVM euro van will?

Re BYD Shark. I stumbled across a public Australian FB group for one.
These blokes/fan bois are in a cult. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it.

Chinese Bots ?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by smoo

Do they still sell the large LWB RWD transits, in cab chassis as well?
Ranger won’t have the chassis length to accomodate a high cube box like a high GVM euro van will?

Re BYD Shark. I stumbled across a public Australian FB group for one.
These blokes/fan bois are in a cult. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it.

Ford AUS has had full size Transit cab chassis for years, also sell with a tray back..

https://www.ford.com.au/commercial/transit/cab-chassis/

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford AUS has had full size Transit cab chassis for years, also sell with a tray back..

https://www.ford.com.au/commercial/transit/cab-chassis/


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I've never seen one on the road though

[kevino]

Wouldnt it be a question
Like
Do you have it in stock
No
But we can have one here in 12 months

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by kevino

Wouldnt it be a question
Like
Do you have it in stock
No
But we can have one here in 12 months

That's why we ended up with a Renault Traffic at work, they were the only ones with floor stock ready to go, everything else was an extended wait and we needed a van right away.

[kevino]

Ford are laying off 4000 people in Europe /Uk

They could be selling incremental sales numbers of Ford Euro s to Ford Ute Australia but they were all cancelled

Doesn’t make a lot of sense

JPD?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by smoo

Do they still sell the large LWB RWD transits, in cab chassis as well?
Ranger won’t have the chassis length to accomodate a high cube box like a high GVM euro van will?

Re BYD Shark. I stumbled across a public Australian FB group for one.
These blokes/fan bois are in a cult. I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it.

Wasn't a LWB Sprinter though, looked like MWB/ambulance sized, or a little shorter, wasn't overly huge.

[FTE217]

Originally Posted by PooDog

That comes hand in hand with reliability and afters sales service,

DFB is correct in saying it depends on the dealership, maybe they need supporting better?

I've found over here the difference between city /country is light and day no matter what brand, I've had excellent service from Ford, Nissan, Mitsubishi dealers in the county yet the big cities..... Not interested in selling anything unless it's real easy and that's the sticker on the window and servicing is just charge like a wounded bull

PD, I really don't see the relation of depreciation/re/sale go hand in hand.

It no matter the dealer that a hipox/hilux the last 20/30yrs holds better value than many of its competitors.
Throw in a Corolla/Camry etc, they just hold their price in that volume sector.

Dealers ? well it no matter city as well, as we know they are Indepedants, their staff are the key to consumer experience.
I have dealt with many myself over many brands as yourself, you got diamonds and you got rubbish.
Being I'm car guy like most here we know what we want, I make relationships with the Sales guys And the Service Managers and techs.
I could knock my Ford Service some but I let it go for they know me, know how I treat my cars and my expectations.
They apoligise I accept.
Same as DFB for eg, he had battery terminals covered with acid, it ****'s you off.
Ford generally have been sub standard to the general un assuming consumer.
Been on record for decades and where would most of the issues lie ? city dealers for thats the volumes.
Sure I get in regionals its a challenge, distances/time getting parts in etcetc....
Today worse for incl in the city finding people/mechancs to work isn't easy anymore as well.

Look at the mention since now about Transits, be it SWB/LWB.
Review kevino's post, says it all and we know it.

They are fortunate they came up with the updated PX Ranger and in time hit the ground running, otherwise they'd be a basket case full stop period !

I have just bought the 2nd new Mazda for the wife, not the same dealer though they were tops, couldn't knock the pre and post service communications, pricing was fair couldn't complain.
Did everything needed and above whereas I don't need the above but its nice to see.
We bought from another close by dealer (15k's distance) because they had the car she wanted, my sister has bought 3/4 Mazdas that I've helped her with and I had no issue buying from them because they will do the same as the previous Dealer I dealt with, a good job and if I have a issue it will be resolved promptly.

[BENT_8]

We just bought a Pajero Sport, optioned it up with a bunch of genuine accessories, one of which was the nudgebar with integrated lightbar.
I wanted black, they said we'll have to order it in, 2 weeks, or we have polished in stock and will do it $400 cheaper.
I said done, the front has heaps of chrome so its not out of place.
When they went to fit it one of the brackets was bent.
They called and said we wont fit it like that so will order a whole new kit, do you want polished still or the original black, same price.
I said stick with polished.
They said it wont be in by delivery date.
I figured they'd ticked every other box and had been more than accommodating with discount and subsequent offer to order my original choice at discounted price, how could I be upset.
So we picked up the car Saturday and they offered an install date to suit us and a loan car for the 24hrs they'll need it.

They're 20k from home in the country, a nice drive, so building a relationship with them for servicing and the remaining 9yr warranty is smart business, plus they have a nice cafe nearby that do great eggs benny and coffee.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by FTE217

PD, I really don't see the relation of depreciation/re/sale go hand in hand.

It no matter the dealer that a hipox/hilux the last 20/30yrs holds better value than many of its competitors.
Throw in a Corolla/Camry etc, they just hold their price in that volume sector.

Dealers ? well it no matter city as well, as we know they are Indepedants, their staff are the key to consumer experience.
I have dealt with many myself over many brands as yourself, you got diamonds and you got rubbish.
Being I'm car guy like most here we know what we want, I make relationships with the Sales guys And the Service Managers and techs.
I could knock my Ford Service some but I let it go for they know me, know how I treat my cars and my expectations.
They apoligise I accept.
Same as DFB for eg, he had battery terminals covered with acid, it ****'s you off.
Ford generally have been sub standard to the general un assuming consumer.
Been on record for decades and where would most of the issues lie ? city dealers for thats the volumes.
Sure I get in regionals its a challenge, distances/time getting parts in etcetc....
Today worse for incl in the city finding people/mechancs to work isn't easy anymore as well.

Look at the mention since now about Transits, be it SWB/LWB.
Review kevino's post, says it all and we know it.

They are fortunate they came up with the updated PX Ranger and in time hit the ground running, otherwise they'd be a basket case full stop period !

I have just bought the 2nd new Mazda for the wife, not the same dealer though they were tops, couldn't knock the pre and post service communications, pricing was fair couldn't complain.
Did everything needed and above whereas I don't need the above but its nice to see.
We bought from another close by dealer (15k's distance) because they had the car she wanted, my sister has bought 3/4 Mazdas that I've helped her with and I had no issue buying from them because they will do the same as the previous Dealer I dealt with, a good job and if I have a issue it will be resolved promptly.

I'm surprised you don't see the correlation between reliability and resale etc?

I don't know whether it's different over here? But most people know that Toyota, s will just keep going, most corolla, s, camry, s, prius etc you will get at least 300k out of them trouble free motoring

Everybody knows about Toyota reliability, even people that aren't car people, I'm sure people will give examples of them being the opposite,..... But that's why their resale is so good, because if you want a cheap hack for the daughter to learn to drive in, there's not a lot of risk getting a high k, s Corolla or whatever

There's also plenty around if you want second hand
parts, even the dealerships can get most parts if you want genuine and are prepared to pay the premium

[kevino]

Originally Posted by PooDog

I'm surprised you don't see the correlation between reliability and resale etc?

I don't know whether it's different over here? But most people know that Toyota, s will just keep going, most corolla, s, camry, s, prius etc you will get at least 300k out of them trouble free motoring

Everybody knows about Toyota reliability, even people that aren't car people, I'm sure people will give examples of them being the opposite,..... But that's why their resale is so good, because if you want a cheap hack for the daughter to learn to drive in, there's not a lot of risk getting a high k, s Corolla or whatever

There's also plenty around if you want second hand
parts, even the dealerships can get most parts if you want genuine and are prepared to pay the premium

I thought this was Ford Forums
Praise for the overrated and overpriced Toyota brand should surely be on a Toyota forum.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

Ford are laying off 4000 people in Europe /Uk

They could be selling incremental sales numbers of Ford Euro s to Ford Ute Australia but they were all cancelled

Doesn’t make a lot of sense

JPD?

I’m not going to defend For Europeans I’ve been saying for the longest time
that their inability to supply Australia is exactly why we have some major problems
Not sure of the issue with Ford Otosan in Turkey but probably true to say
that Transit and Transit Custom are likely the only profitable vehicles in
Europe so no wonder they jealousy guard availability to us

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by kevino

I thought this was Ford Forums
Praise for the overrated and overpriced Toyota brand should surely be on a Toyota forum.

Fair enough, I was responding to a discussion

If you want to talk super reliable Fords, then let's talk AU Falcons.... Utes to keep on topic

[kevino]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I’m not going to defend For Europeans I’ve been saying for the longest time
that their inability to supply Australia is exactly why we have some major problems
Not sure of the issue with Ford Otosan in Turkey but probably true to say
that Transit and Transit Custom are likely the only profitable vehicles in
Europe so no wonder they jealousy guard availability to us

Makes you wonder why they just dont increase production and export more Transits here
Subjectively the Transit is the best van on the market -not the cheapest.
Ford ute Aus could sell a lot more than they do now if supply improved.
And the fact that Ford NZ still get new Puma (mhev) and Escape and Aus doesnt just does my head in.
Havent said that the Nz prices are horrendously expensive for Escape in particular.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by kevino

Makes you wonder why they just dont increase production and export more Transits here
Subjectively the Transit is the best van on the market -not the cheapest.
Ford ute Aus could sell a lot more than they do now if supply improved.
And the fact that Ford NZ still get new Puma (mhev) and Escape and Aus doesnt just does my head in.
Havent said that the Nz prices are horrendously expensive for Escape in particular.

A lot of things Ford do are confounding to the regular person,
they are so successful with Ranger and Everest yet everything
else is a bust, either too expensive or flat out unavailable.

I’ve said before that Ford is ceding heaps of market to the likes
of Mazda, Hyundai and Kia by inability to provide similar vehicles

Ford South Africa gets the RHD Chinese Territory that’s Edge/Endura size
with Chinese 4 cyl “Ecoboost” engine and a hybrid version.
Either it’s a sub par vehicle or Ford don’t want it here for some other reason….

For all of their inadequacy Ford Aus has increased sales from an abismal
5,000 odd per month a couple of years ago to regular 7,500 to 8,500 per month
Now whether that’s artificially high remains to be seen but it’s still a good sign.

[naddis01]

Ranger Super Duty will have 8 stud rims...



This thing will be a winner for the touring/caravanning crowd as long as Ford don't hobble it as a base model only.

[XR Martin]

It will be base model only.

[naddis01]

Obviously Ford hasn't seen all the overloaded utes getting around towing 3.5T caravans then if that's the case. I doubt the majority of that market would want an XL.

[whynot]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Obviously Ford hasn't seen all the overloaded utes getting around towing 3.5T caravans then if that's the case. I doubt the majority of that market would want an XL.

Would that comment more accurately be that the majority of the "private buyer's" market would not want an XL???

One would think that the Ranger Super Duty is first aimed at the fleet market, where it is generally considered a bad look to have the local council officers ponce around in a vehicle with leather seats, 400 watt sound system, and a sun roof.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford South Africa gets the RHD Chinese Territory that’s Edge/Endura size
with Chinese 4 cyl “Ecoboost” engine and a hybrid version.
Either it’s a sub par vehicle or Ford don’t want it here for some other reason….

In case anyone is interested in exactly what they get.

[FTE217]

Bugga the SD - a Ranger MS RT would do me.


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[naddis01]

Originally Posted by whynot

Would that comment more accurately be that the majority of the "private buyer's" market would not want an XL???

One would think that the Ranger Super Duty is first aimed at the fleet market, where it is generally considered a bad look to have the local council officers ponce around in a vehicle with leather seats, 400 watt sound system, and a sun roof.

I was following on from my previous post saying that it would be the perfect vehicle for those with large caravans and do a lot of touring. If Ford can't see that then they are leaving a substantial piece of the market on the table. You see it all the time from all brands, where people buy a dual cab and load it up with the tray, fridge, batteries, 2 spares hanging off the back, bullbar, scrub bars, bash plates, winch etc etc. Then hang a 3.5T caravan on the back and wonder why they are overweight. Or even worse, they obviously to the fact.

Those people don't want an XL (assuming it is specced the same as the normal Ranger).

[XR Martin]

The idea of the SD Ranger is to not to attract buyers who were already going to buy a Ranger, its to attract new buyers who couldn't buy an existing model. You don't try to compete with yourself.
It for fleets, Government departments, fire service especially RFS/CFS/CFS, mining etc.
At the moment only the 70 series Landcruiser serves this market, plus light trucks.
All of which are hindered by supply and may not meet safety requirements of the various departments.

[naddis01]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

The idea of the SD Ranger is to not to attract buyers who were already going to buy a Ranger, its to attract new buyers who couldn't buy an existing model. You don't try to compete with yourself.
It for fleets, Government departments, fire service especially RFS/CFS/CFS, mining etc.
At the moment only the 70 series Landcruiser serves this market, plus light trucks.
All of which are hindered by supply and may not meet safety requirements of the various departments.

The same could be said for the market I'm talking about. Your chasing LandCruiser, Hilux, Prado, RAM etc sales. Surely having an off the shelf option for these buyers that doesn't cost $150000 where they can tow their house on wheels legally without the need for GVM upgrades or running the risk of being overloaded is a no brainer. It's simply offering a higher spec. Why wouldn't you go for it?

[jpd80]

Exactly what Ford wants, getting people talking about a SD Ranger and the possibilities

Would there be any point to upgrading Everest GVM and towing capacity or is that the job of SD Ranger?

[Franco Cozzo]

It's the first time I've been keen on a Thailand Special, I'm interested in what the povvo spec

[Sprintey]

0:20 on vid

And this is why VDJ79 in single cab is still king

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp0ih6QlZbc&t=20s

Look at the benefits of extra payload, you can carry much bigger ordinance. Tasteful styleside cab too.

Maybe SD Ranger can get a toe in these markets...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

The idea of the SD Ranger is to not to attract buyers who were already going to buy a Ranger, its to attract new buyers who couldn't buy an existing model. You don't try to compete with yourself.
It for fleets, Government departments, fire service especially RFS/CFS/CFS, mining etc.
At the moment only the 70 series Landcruiser serves this market, plus light trucks.
All of which are hindered by supply and may not meet safety requirements of the various departments.

What you said in particular the comparison with 70 series Land Cruiser is just so appropriate
particularly the single cab and double cab versions and their applications in the vocations listed.
This is a huge opportunity for Ford to grow more sales in an area where GVM and GCM matters.


Not to distract,
I then took a look at Everest current GVM and GCM, it’s close to 79 series LC station wagon,
The GVM is pretty much there but the GCM would ned a lift by about 250-300 kg.
I can understand if that’s not even on the radar……

https://www.hornsbytoyota.com.au/ima...ser70-spec.pdf