Inaccurate speeding fine: What can be done?

[colossus]

Originally Posted by BA Waggn

I know this is a bad analogy, but the other thing he can do, is go under the speed camera at Greens Road full tilt. It will show the max speed, but this will incur a speeding fine in itself.
But before you would do this, get approval by VicRoads on this.
It's only to prove what max speed the truck can do, and therefore discrediting the average speed VicRoads quoted you at (If you can't do 119kph, your case is well in your favour).
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Woz - "Hello VicRoads"
VicRoads - "Yes"
Woz - "Good, I'd like to ask permision to drive a truck at full bore on my P's through your speed camera. "
VicRoads - "OK...why?"
Woz - "I want to prove that you guys are in the wrong and that I dont owe you money. So yeah, maybe close the road in peak hour or just give me a police escort or something"
VicRoads - "Yeah no worries mate, is Monday OK for you? kthxbye"

[Spanrz]

Originally Posted by colossus

Woz - "Hello VicRoads"
VicRoads - "Yes"
Woz - "Good, I'd like to ask permision to drive a truck at full bore on my P's through your speed camera. "
VicRoads - "OK...why?"
Woz - "I want to prove that you guys are in the wrong and that I dont owe you money. So yeah, maybe close the road in peak hour or just give me a police escort or something"
VicRoads - "Yeah no worries mate, is Monday OK for you? kthxbye"

Ahahaha, I told you it was bad. :P
I was laughing when I wrote it.

But anyway, I did a calculation tonight. Because I have a Breeze account, I can log on and get the time (to the second) I passed the tollgates.
So by using the Rate (of speed), Time (between toll gates), Distance (between tollgates) you can calculate your actual speed.

I came home heading south on the Eastlink. I sat on 100k's via the speedo.
I am awaiting for the timesheet for tonights travel.

However, last night I did the same trip. And I used the time from that.
From the Monash Fwy tollgate (tollgate after Monash Freeway)to the Greens Road Tollgate (tollgate 200 metres before Greens Road exit),
it took me 3 minutes 3 seconds (183 seconds or 0.0508 of an hour).
Usually I sit on my speedo around the 107kph mark, as I am near on 100% sure my speedo is out by 7k's (over).

Rate (kph's) = Distance (k's) / Time (hour)

5.080 (k's) / 0.0508 (time in hours) = 100 kph.

So by the calculations, 100kph through the 2 tollgates should equal to very close to 3 minutes 3 seconds over 5.080 kilometres.
So the speed I was doing last night was pretty dam close to the 100kph, which confirms my suspicion of it 7k's over.

If WOZ, goes under these tollgates, does an average of 100kph via the speedo and then check his time (via a stop watch) or using Breeze account if you have one, he can rest assure what his speedo is really doing.

If your time is longer than 3 minutes 3 seconds, you are of course doing under 100kph, and shorter than 3 minutes 3 seconds - Vice versa.

[Trevor 57]

Vicroads can enforce all the traffic laws the Police can, and this can include to cars, so be warned. They are trained in a very similar way to Police, in fact they also have the power of inspection, in other wards they can check vehicles for drugs, not just trucks but cars as well.

They can can judge speed via speed detection devices, like radars, etc, they can follow and book you, the speedo's in their cars are calibrated accurately like the Police cars, in fact the cars come from the same place, the Victoria Police.



And without reading through all so far, my advice is:

Get the trucks speedo checked to make sure you are arguing about a real fine, it could be the trucks speedo is out, but generally a good indication is the traffic around you.

Take it to court and challenge the reading if you are that confident, just remember the judge is going to lean towards the enforcement officer, make sure your boss comes along to testify.

Vicroads can be wrong.

[68XTFairmont]

The big thing as far as I can see comes down to how they clocked your speed and how far behind you they were when they started clocking your speed.

If they clocked your speed using the speedo in their car it may be accurate as long as they maintained the same distance between you and them for the whole 3008m but if they started say 500m behind you and closed that gap to zero over the 3008m it would throw out the whole equation by about 1/6th which off the top of my head after being up for 24hrs would = 16.5 km/h roughly

I could be totally wrong but I am sure someone is awake enough and good enough at maths to work it out

[Trevor 57]

The Police are allowed to record speed by this method in Victoria so Vicroads will be allowed to as well.

[GasoLane]

Thanks Trev.

[boss-290]

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