Queensland Police Speed Cameras NO Affect to Road Toll..

[superyob]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

While we ALL continue to rack up the death toll largely due to rubbish roads,uneducated drivers....oh and occasionally speed.....

I would swap 'uneducated' for 'impatient, self entitled'...

[TuneUpsnSuch]

People ... it's always the people. Where I'm at, the police are usually pretty sanguine about us driving around 5-7 over the limit as long as we're being safe. Most of the drivers here really shouldn't be trusted with heavy equipment.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

uneducated drivers....oh and occasionally speed.....

How can drivers be uneducated when they have a qualification in the form of a license? So, how can you get a license if you are uneducated?

[theBlake]

Originally Posted by olfella

How can drivers be uneducated when they have a qualification in the form of a license? So, how can you get a license if you are uneducated?

Easy, get a license given to you, without having to do a test or lessons.
Technically not easy to do these days. :-)

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by olfella

How can drivers be uneducated when they have a qualification in the form of a license? So, how can you get a license if you are uneducated?

It's the level of education that is the issue. We are taught to pass a test, not to be educated in defensive driving (without entitlement and aggression), driving with etiquette and driving to conditions. I found out about the latter parts from experience and others who I drove with.

[aussiblue]

Bear in mind that there is normally a considerable lagged effect of up to 18 months between such changes and the impact on driver behavior; unfortunately bad drivers are not the quickest to notice these things. They will need to be caught a few times before they change their behavior.

[Jess1992]

Also in NSW, it's rather easy to get a license if you are a girl with a guy instructor. I barely had to do anything for my Ps test and passed.. The instructor seemed more intent on trying to pick me up

[superyob]

Originally Posted by JessTurbo6

Also in NSW, it's rather easy to get a license if you are a girl with a guy instructor. I barely had to do anything for my Ps test and passed.. The instructor seemed more intent on trying to pick me up

You are obviously NOT the Hulk then, as suggested on another thread.

Or are you???

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by The Monty

There is no quota for QPS, no matter what gets "leaked" or rumoured over the internet. You can believe what you want. Ill believe what I know.

You might be sick of us "bright sparks" just as I am sick of the same rhetorical bullplop that comes from the mouths of those that feed off the rumour mill, don't work in the industry or are just plain whingeing. Like every other thread started by the OP.

Im happy for any change to road safety.

But I wonder, of those that tout the "speed kills is wrong", "its not hurting anyone", "govco propaganda" mantra, how many are road engineers? Or have contacted their local member about it? How many of you get to pull dead people (or pieces of people) from cars? How many of you have put together a road safety initiative or campaign and tried to get funding to have it looked at and implemented. I bet not many....

I get it, getting caught speeding sucks. I get it, Germans are allowed to drive fast. Hell, arabs can chop off the hands of other arabs and smoke opium! India doesn't even seem to have ANY road rules!

But this is Australia. Exceeding the speed limit is an offence in Australia, as much as we all hate it. If you dont like it, do something about it. Going on about the same repetitive crap on a forum will get you nowhere except angry and wont solve a thing.

Me? Ill just continue to drive like I do, and when the fines come Ill go "oh crap" and go and pay it. Its only a tax on the dumb. You dont have to pay it if you dont speed...

No quota in NSW either, and never has been. Like I said I personally know a NSW cop that has not issued a single ticket in over 2 years, never been questioned about it or reprimanded.

Pretty sure if there was a quota he would have been spoken to by his bosses before now.

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Do you not realise that it is not possible to be able to drive at the posted limit at all times?

You can't be serious

Firstly it definitely 100% for certain is possible. Also you don't have to drive AT the limit, you have to drive BELOW the limit. Which part is LIMIT is so difficult to understand. No one else controls the speed of your vehicle other than you the driver.

If you are incapable of this task then may be you should not be holding a license, this is why we have a points system where people repeatedly incapable of this simple task will hopefully be relieved of their privilege to drive a car.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

No quota in NSW either, and never has been. Like I said I personally know a NSW cop that has not issued a single ticket in over 2 years, never been questioned about it or reprimanded.

Was he HP (if so at which station) or GD ?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

I'm curious as which of the above you've done.

No, not that hard where you live, not exactly teeming with traffic is it ?

Have done none of the above, but then I am not the one saying that the limits are wrong and that I have the solution like a lot of people here do, where have you seen me complain about speed limits and their enforcement and how it should be handled?? I never claim to have a better system or to have done independent research on how speed does not matter. I simply abide by the rules provided to me as a guide and drive within the limit as I don't like paying fines.

I only moved out of Sydney recently (3 years) and prior to that used to drive from the outer western suburbs into the CBD on an almost daily basis, also drove delivery trucks in Sydney for years, and out of all the speeding fines I got in the past I never got one in the city limits ever.

All tickets I had in the past were in Country areas, and highways mainly on interstate trips in work cars.

So I think the relevance to where you live is non existent, we all have the same rules, and you will find that the concentration of police especially HWP in Country areas is probably higher than anywhere in the city.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by The Monty

There is no quota for QPS, no matter what gets "leaked" or rumoured over the internet. You can believe what you want. Ill believe what I know.

Some say yes, some say no.

Police are being ordered to issue at least 10 fines a shift as part of a statewide trial of a new electronic ticketing system.

The new system will allow officers to use mobile devices such as iPads to issue traffic fines for offences such as speeding, using a mobile phone while driving and having a defective vehicle.

At least 40 officers will be involved in the trial, starting next month.

A police memo, seen by The Courier-Mail, states that the trial will be “highly scrutinised by its effectiveness and use” and asks officers to “please ensure you focus all of your time issuing tickets during this period”.

“There is no hiding during this period,” a memo to Brisbane traffic staff from a metropolitan supervisor said.

“I would suggest a minimum of 10 tickets per shift/every shift. (That is only 1 ticket every 48 minutes of your shift).”

But really if your job is to sit on the side of the road with a speed gun and you never write a ticket, what would your boss say?

That's a quota....

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Was he HP (if so at which station) or GD ?

GD's, I think a HWP not issuing tickets would like a spray painter not painting cars. Their whole job is traffic enforcement and reducing road trauma.

There is obviously an expectation that a HWP officer will do his job (just like every person that has a job is expected to do that job), but there is no set quota despite what some people will claim.

But I doubt that any person driving around in a highway car for 8-10hrs a day would have any issues to hand out a number of tickets. I know just driving to the shops on any day of the week I see enough road and traffic offences to fill any HWP ticket book for the day.

Originally Posted by cs123

But really if your job is to sit on the side of the road with a speed gun and you never write a ticket, what would your boss say?

That's a quota....

I don't think you understand the word quota.

A quota is a defined number that must be achieved, but there is no such number, police work does not work like that as some days nothing will happen and other days every idiot is out on the road doing the wrong thing.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

You can't be serious

Firstly it definitely 100% for certain is possible. Also you don't have to drive AT the limit, you have to drive BELOW the limit. Which part is LIMIT is so difficult to understand. No one else controls the speed of your vehicle other than you the driver.

If you are incapable of this task then may be you should not be holding a license, this is why we have a points system where people repeatedly incapable of this simple task will hopefully be relieved of their privilege to drive a car.

As long as you and others like you stay out of the right lane with your driving behaviour, there won't be any problems.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

As long as you and others like you stay out of the right lane with your driving behaviour, there won't be any problems.

Well ever heard of keep left unless overtaking??

Happy to stay in the left lane and let those with more disposable income to donate fly past in a hurry to get no where.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Well ever heard of keep left unless overtaking??

Happy to stay in the left lane and let those with more disposable income to donate fly past in a hurry to get no where.

Most of your kind don't seem to adhere to that, so I tip my hat to you for it.

I haven't had a single ticket for anything traffic related since my probationary days. So my disposable income has stayed with me

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

So I think the relevance to where you live is non existent

I disagree with that thinking. In Sydney for example it is common to change speed zones - on main roads, very quickly as they are spaced close together. So you have to be very alert to spot the signs to establish what zone you are in at that particular time. That intermixed with being alert to the traffic movement around you becomes very involved, so instead you opt to 'stay with the flow' and try and pick opportunities to even change lanes.
While in the country, the opposite seems to apply. Often you get the impression you are the only one on the road so you tend to go a bit faster and test your skills. Then you round a corner of come over the top of a raise and GOTCHA.
So while the presence may appear to be greater the country, the cameras are more prevalent in the city - both have the same result.
Therefore stick the to well posted limits in the country and you will never have a problem.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by olfella

I disagree with that thinking. In Sydney for example it is common to change speed zones - on main roads, very quickly as they are spaced close together. So you have to be very alert to spot the signs to establish what zone you are in at that particular time. That intermixed with being alert to the traffic movement around you becomes very involved, so instead you opt to 'stay with the flow' and try and pick opportunities to even change lanes.
While in the country, the opposite seems to apply. Often you get the impression you are the only one on the road so you tend to go a bit faster and test your skills. Then you round a corner of come over the top of a raise and GOTCHA.
So while the presence may appear to be greater the country, the cameras are more prevalent in the city - both have the same result.
Therefore stick the to well posted limits in the country and city and you will never have a problem.

Fixed it for you.

I drive in both environments extensively probably have done about 10 times more city driving than country driving, and have not found any difference, in both environments you don't seem to get tickets when abiding by the rules and you do get tickets when you breach the rules AND are unlucky enough to get caught.

People tend to speed more in the country as you get used to the speed on long roads, and all of a sudden 100 or 110 does not feel real fast any more.

One of the reasons I employ cruise control 99% of the time, unfortunately my old XB does not have cruise so I just have this weird habit of glancing at the speedo every 10 or so seconds, between checking my mirrors and scanning the road ahead for hazards. Something I was taught to do when I learned to drive all those years ago.

I find in the city everyone is in a hurry, impatient and most of all self entitled, in the country most (country) people travel further distances, but are happy to cruise, don't seem to be in a rush, and a courteous to other drivers. You can always pick a city person on are country road by the way they drive.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

I haven't had a single ticket for anything traffic related since my probationary days. So my disposable income has stayed with me

So why complain?? You must be driving according to the rules or you are just very lucky (unlikely as luck runs out).

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Fixed it for you.

You fixed nothing for me. All you did was put on a display of your arrogance and tunnel vision when it comes to discussing ANY topic.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

So why complain?? You must be driving according to the rules or you are just very lucky (unlikely as luck runs out).

Did he complain? or are you putting words in his mouth as well now?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by olfella

Did he complain? or are you putting words in his mouth as well now?

For your convenience:

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

You do realise that the punitive action govco takes for minor speed limit transgressions is taking away the responsibility from the driver???

As a corollary, many drivers become fixated on their speedometer and turn into rolling hazards due to their inattention to the road and the conditions.

Do you not realise that it is not possible to be able to drive at the posted limit at all times?

As I've mentioned earlier, there are far better ways of improving road safety and reducing the roll toll substantially than punitive action. Govco however doesn't care for that.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

Fixed it for you.
I just have this weird habit of glancing at the speedo every 10 or so seconds, between checking my mirrors and scanning the road ahead for hazards. Something I was taught to do when I learned to drive all those years ago.

You must be so wonderful to live with. All those poor bastards that get a ticket for a little indiscretion when driving must drive you nuts when you know you are just so perfect, and all us just cannot get it right.

Imagine a world with no police because there was no crime, no need for emergency units to deal with road tolls, everyone just tootling along just under the speed limit and being courteous to each other...

I just wish we were all like you and then there would be no speeding fines, no road accidents, not death toll - life would be just like paradise is supposed to be.

[olfella]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

For your convenience:

Gee, silly me. I took that to be a comment, an opinion, but not a complaint.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by olfella

You must be so wonderful to live with. All those poor bastards that get a ticket for a little indiscretion when driving must drive you nuts when you know you are just so perfect, and all us just cannot get it right.

Imagine a world with no police because there was no crime, no need for emergency units to deal with road tolls, everyone just tootling along just under the speed limit and being courteous to each other...

I just wish we were all like you and then there would be no speeding fines, no road accidents, not death toll - life would be just like paradise is supposed to be.

Now you are getting it.

Will never happen though, as this thread seems to demonstrate, as you will always have people blaming everyone else for their own actions.

Yeah I got booked because police are assholes, they are revenue raising, cop having a bad day, cop being a natzi, camera put in a dodgy spot, govco got it wrong, road designers got it wrong never I got booked because I was doing the wrong thing and got caught

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by olfella

Gee, silly me. I took that to be a comment, an opinion, but not a complaint.

If you don't see that as a complaint about the governments actions and the current way of enforcing road safety I don't know what is.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

never I got booked because I was doing the wrong thing and got caught

People get booked because they didn't comply with the law, not because they were necessarily doing the wrong thing. The law is not always right... that is the crux of the argument against the present scheme of things.

As a HWP once said to me... '95% of the drivers I book aren't doing anything unsafe'

[MercurySilver]

Whoa whoa whoa
Steady on there
5kms over the speed limit could end the world
Then we would all be in a spot of bother

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

So I think the relevance to where you live is non existent,

The relevance to where you live is important. Not many HP cars within a 100k radius is there.
And most days they knock off before midnight.

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

and you will find that the concentration of police especially HWP in Country areas is probably higher than anywhere in the city.

This is highly unlikely, Country HP have to cover a vastly bigger area that the city ones, and due to cutbacks there aren't many to cover their patch.

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

GD's, I think a HWP not issuing tickets would like a spray painter not painting cars.

Ohh GD, pity you neglected to mention that (but it would'nt have supported you point of view, would it?). GD don't exactly hand out tickets for Domestic's or chasing kids down back streets.

I know 2 Detectives, they've never handed out a ticket since they've been in the force.

I also knew a few HP guys who had a board in the lunch room keeping score, top score was 'Mongrel of the Month'.

[Carrion]

This thread is like ground hog day.








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