BA-FG Monoblock 4 Pot Brake Upgrade

[Shockworks]

Hi Guy's,
As this is the first time we have made a brake template, I found a problem with the first design of template. I did not take the most outer point of the caliper, so the template will show the brakes fit when they are actually a little bigger.
Attached is the new template which does match the most outer part so is now the right size.
There is a JPEG to show the difference.
Sorry for the first drawing that was incorrect.

Cheers
Brett

[puck_lindsay]

Rear rotors take a hiding, have done a track day and some drags runs, no signs of warping yet.

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by puck_lindsay

Rear rotors take a hiding, have done a track day and some drags runs, no signs of warping yet.

Hey Lindsay,
I would be shocked if they did warp as we have tied to kill them on track with not a bit of run out front or rear.
The radial vane design is great for dissipating the heat and we found the handbrake still works when hot, unlike the factory rear discs haha.
Cheers and thanks for the feedback mate:-)
Brett

[MattSAU2XR8]

Hi Brett,

Just got to thinking, since these brakes require new wheels for most customers, is there any chance you could do a kit that uses the big discs but a conventional two piston caliper? There would probably be a bit of a market since lots of people don't want to replace their wheels and the main problem is often fade or warping rather than inadequate braking power in usual situations. Using an FG turbo with 320 mm rotors, so 280 mm working diameter, going up to 355 would still give about more than 10 % extra torque at working diameter of 315 mm, fill up the wheels nicely, and never overheat.... Only difficult part would seem to be sourcing a caliper that is available locally (ideally) that will fit over a 32 mm disc, given PBR C6's are hard to come by, but if one could be found quite a few people might be interested, me included. UPC in Bayswater seem to use a modified VE Commodore Caliper on a 32 mm disc, not sure what they to do achieve this, but at any rate not offering it for VE V8s of Hipo Fords...

Regards,

Matt

Regards,

Matt

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by MattSAU2XR8

Hi Brett,

Just got to thinking, since these brakes require new wheels for most customers, is there any chance you could do a kit that uses the big discs but a conventional two piston caliper? There would probably be a bit of a market since lots of people don't want to replace their wheels and the main problem is often fade or warping rather than inadequate braking power in usual situations. Using an FG turbo with 320 mm rotors, so 280 mm working diameter, going up to 355 would still give about more than 10 % extra torque at working diameter of 315 mm, fill up the wheels nicely, and never overheat.... Only difficult part would seem to be sourcing a caliper that is available locally (ideally) that will fit over a 32 mm disc, given PBR C6's are hard to come by, but if one could be found quite a few people might be interested, me included. UPC in Bayswater seem to use a modified VE Commodore Caliper on a 32 mm disc, not sure what they to do achieve this, but at any rate not offering it for VE V8s of Hipo Fords...

Regards,

Matt

Regards,

Matt

Hi Matt,
We should look at this. I will see if we can make a extended dog bone for the factory caliper and use to use a larger disc for the front. We make a 30mm disc so will do some checking to see what we can do to retain the factory slider.

Cheers
Brett

[MattSAU2XR8]

I've actually been looking at doing this myself - I think its likely a Chrysler 300c front disc would work OK with an FG 298 mm front caliper bracket and a dogbone about 15 mm thick:
- Bolt circle is slightly larger at 115 mm (1/2 mm diff) but can't see this being a problem, certainly that a very gentle filing couldn't fix
- Caliper could move out by about 25 mm to allow clearance at edge of caliper since designed for smaller diameter curve
- Might need to shave about 1.5 mm from middle of outside radius of pad since slightly different curve, as per above
- Probably easiest to run allen bolts back through the dog bone and the strut so no threaded holes in dogbone, I think this should clear the disc OK
- Would need a hub centric shim for the disc, about 1 mm, available anyway an google, or use some exhaust tubing
- Line would need to be about 4 cm longer for best fit

That said, still have the problem of large diameter disc being pretty thin. Perfect situation I think would be a 32 mm disc anywhere between 340 mm (Territory) and 355 mm (FPV). Only hiccup is finding a suitable caliper. I guess the other option might be a 30 mm thick disc which would still be an improvement on 28 mm....

If you have a 30 mm disc already available then for Australian market I think a VE caliper might be best since readily available??

BTW, if I decided to try the Chrysler disc idea, is there any chance you could arrange to supply some brackets if I sent you a drawing??

Regards,

Matt

[MattSAU2XR8]

Hi Brett, if you have a 30 mm disc available I'd suggest a VE caliper might be the easiest solution since already 30 mm and bits readily available, assuming piston size similar to Ford.

If using the standard caliper I've already been thinking about a Chrysler 300c front disc at 345 by 28 mm, although even if its a DBA 4000 quality disc I can't help wondering if it might warp with time - fairly thin for the diameter?? However have been considering knocking up a kit myself to see if it works. If I did is there any chance you can put be onto someone who could make the dogbones from a drawing (should be a simple rectangular bolt pattern...)

Regards,

Matt

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by MattSAU2XR8

Hi Brett, if you have a 30 mm disc available I'd suggest a VE caliper might be the easiest solution since already 30 mm and bits readily available, assuming piston size similar to Ford.

If using the standard caliper I've already been thinking about a Chrysler 300c front disc at 345 by 28 mm, although even if its a DBA 4000 quality disc I can't help wondering if it might warp with time - fairly thin for the diameter?? However have been considering knocking up a kit myself to see if it works. If I did is there any chance you can put be onto someone who could make the dogbones from a drawing (should be a simple rectangular bolt pattern...)

Regards,

Matt

At our manufacturing plant, we can make anything so would end up making the disc and dog bone in house. At the moment we are in the middle of other brake development and improvements for the Ford and other cars. I have asked my drawing team to have a look what can be done with the Ford caliper with larger rotor with dogbone for the OE floating assembly but this is more on the side at the moment due to current programs. The guys are under the pump so have to go gentle on the them haha.
Cheers
Brett

[MattSAU2XR8]

Hi again Brett,

Hope you don't mind another suggestion? I've just noticed the new VE SS has optional 345 by 30 mm brakes so there might be a market for a rotor upgrade here too - I imagine a curved vane rotor would lead to better cooling? Possibly the one outer could be adapted to different bells for the FG and VF with rotor/bell only for VF, dogbone also for FG. Smaller project than the full setup but possibly bigger uptake since cheaper end product. Hope you don't mind, just like the idea of an Aust Business getting some extra product lines :-)

Regards,

Matt

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by MattSAU2XR8

Hi again Brett,

Hope you don't mind another suggestion? I've just noticed the new VE SS has optional 345 by 30 mm brakes so there might be a market for a rotor upgrade here too - I imagine a curved vane rotor would lead to better cooling? Possibly the one outer could be adapted to different bells for the FG and VF with rotor/bell only for VF, dogbone also for FG. Smaller project than the full setup but possibly bigger uptake since cheaper end product. Hope you don't mind, just like the idea of an Aust Business getting some extra product lines :-)

Regards,

Matt

Hi Matt,

Thanks for the idea's. We are working hard to expand our range of brakes and just finished installing a new design for our Hyundai iload track support van. We will be able to now make damper valving changes at the track for our sponsored race cars and customer vehicles.
Below is our 355mm front brake upgrade for our van. Some new things now in development for the Ford brake and dampers so stay tuned!!

Cheers
Brett

[petchyboy]

Like mint Brett! Any hints on what you have in store for us??? ��

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by petchyboy

Like mint Brett! Any hints on what you have in store for us??? ��

Hey perchyboy,
We are working on three things for the Ford but mum is the word until we finish the development, which is a while off yet mate. Very exciting though:-)

Cheers
Brett

[petchyboy]

I'll be back down in December again, hopefully without any damage this time. Happy to 'test' some products for you, they will get plenty of km's....

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by petchyboy

I'll be back down in December again, hopefully without any damage this time. Happy to 'test' some products for you, they will get plenty of km's....

Would be great to catch up again!! I may have some bit for you to try and get some Km's on them for feedback. Will see how it pans out in December. We just fittied 355 rotors to the Shockworks R33 track car and wow. A lot more brake work this year:-)
Cheers
Brett

[petchyboy]

Sounds awesome mate, you have lots of awesome toys! Catch up soon

[blwn_290]

How does your brake kit compare to other aftermarket 6 pot kits or even oe 4 pot or 6pot brembos. Im looking for a kit to take the abuse of track days and give consistent pedal feel.

[natedog]

Originally Posted by blwn_290

How does your brake kit compare to other aftermarket 6 pot kits or even oe 4 pot or 6pot brembos. Im looking for a kit to take the abuse of track days and give consistent pedal feel.

I've had the Shockworks 4 pot front brake kit in for almost 2 years now....

The original rotors have done 3 track days....have been through 4 sets of pads, the rotors as far as I'm concerned are indestructible!

I can highly recommend them!!

Worth every $$$

[nomad1089]

Originally Posted by natedog

I've had the Shockworks 4 pot front brake kit in for almost 2 years now....

The original rotors have done 3 track days....have been through 4 sets of pads, the rotors as far as I'm concerned are indestructible!

I can highly recommend them!!

Worth every $$$

Hey mate, heaps earlier in the thread you had a photo of the shockworks setup behind what look like 19" Silver Argents. Are they just the stock rims you'd also find on the BF?

[JGP]

would these brakes fit 18" BF XR8 rims?

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by JGP

would these brakes fit 18" BF XR8 rims?

Hi JGP,
I would not thinks so but our brake template is further down the page and can be used to check.
Cheers
Brett

[KRISL]

Are the 380mm complete front end kits avaliable? For the ba xr8. 20 inch wheels

[Shockworks]

Originally Posted by KRISL

Are the 380mm complete front end kits avaliable? For the ba xr8. 20 inch wheels

Hi Krisl,

At the moment we are out of stock of the 380mm kits as they have been pretty popular, but arriving in the next order which will be here in about 6 weeks. Sorry we dont have any on hand mate..
Cheers
Brett

[KRISL]

How much?
Pm me on face book if you like. Kris limmer

Originally Posted by Shockworks

Hi Krisl,

At the moment we are out of stock of the 380mm kits as they have been pretty popular, but arriving in the next order which will be here in about 6 weeks. Sorry we dont have any on hand mate..
Cheers
Brett