Great Wall Motors. Any good?

[gassed250]

Originally Posted by revcore

Personally I'd avoid the Great Wall vehicles like the plague. The bloke a few doors up bought one brand new and it's spent more time at the dealership being repaired than what he as driving it. He said it's by far the worst vehicle he has ever owned and he has owned heaps of cars during his 52 years of driving.

I had an EL falcon that was like that, biggest hunk of crap I have ever owned

[ltd]

One thing to consider is the woeful resale value these things have.
I saw a 2.5 year old one on graysonline.com with around 60K on it and it sold for $2.7K.
Considering it was once 22K new that's a staggering 85% drop in value after 2.5 years.
Makes fords resale value look respectable.

[gassed250]

Originally Posted by 79FordEsky

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xANaO_Hp54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhtubaEeZtI

This is all you got to know..Imagine this at a high speed crash it would be like a tin can getting run over by a track

So why do i need to know that, its not the same model as mine its got no airbags and has no relevance to a current GW

You may as well compare an AU Falcon to an FG
An AU sedan with airbags only scores 3 starts making it 1 better than the old GW with no airbags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbVobsLvV7E

[gassed250]

Originally Posted by ltd

One thing to consider is the woeful resale value these things have.
I saw a 2.5 year old one on graysonline.com with around 60K on it and it sold for $2.7K.
Considering it was once 22K new that's a staggering 85% drop in value after 2.5 years.
Makes fords resale value look respectable.

But that was only ONE at that price, i have seen PLENTY of of 2009 early 2010 falcons and commodores for around $5500-$6500

take a quick look on ebay or on red book at prices for an 09 GW and an 09 Falcon and you'll soon see what has a woeful resale value


http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=2&eapi=2

http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=0&eapi=2

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

The engine's are Mitsubishi Triton's. Not built by GW but bought from Mitsu direct so not necessarily a GW engineered fault?

As far as Im aware the plans were brought and copied but not followed to a T. As with some Chinese stuff they cut corners. At the end of the day as long as its under warranty its free repairs (Minus time off work and cost of taking the vehicle in). I just hate to see how many unhappy owners there are after they are out of their warranties.

The AA have put a warning out to make sure we do not do any mechanical repairs on any Great Walls due to asbestos in gaskets.

[nuthin' fancy]

Surely if the existance of the asbestos in the gaskets had been disclosed, they would have failed the import conditions, wouldn't they?

Typical emerging economy saying what they have to say to get entry and then bad luck. They put our mechanics at risk (and I don't car how small, on a scale of awful cancers, mesothelioma wins, hands down)) let alone the people who manufacture and install the gaskets initially.

GW shoud be forced to replace all gaskets containing asbestos at their cars in a safe environment or have their import licence cancelled.

[Chopped]

But weren't Aussie cars using asbestos in gaskets up until sometime in the nineties ?

What happens to them re servicing or wrecking ?

How many Mechanics or Wreckers have been affected by Asbestos ?

What about all of the buildings/houses that still contain Asbestos ?

[Kieron]

Up till the mid 200's I think Chopped and one would presume the automotive industry would have procedures in place to handle asbestos components anyway?

If memory serves, an independent study was conducted and they found there wasn't much risk to mechanics and GW stopped importing asbestos gasket and offered free replacement.

I thought the petrol engines where actually made by Mitsubishi still? the diesel is their own.

X200 is an Isuzu Rodeo
X240 uses a Toyota 4runner chassis, not sure about the body though?

Some interesting ANCAP results -

http://www.howsafeisyourcar.com.au/2...L-4cyl-Petrol/
http://www.howsafeisyourcar.com.au/2...-4cyl-TDiesel/

[99AUXR]

We do all the service work for the great walls in our area due to the distance to the great wall dealership which they are okay with. Just sent another back to the dealership to have a new power steering pump fitted as its leaking like a siv.

3rd time back for this one with only 11000km....

[gassed250]

Mine had the gaskets changed at its first service, there was 2 gaskets one was the turbo dump gasket and the 2nd was an engine pipe gasket

[MAFIA]

Just another reason you should buy a Great wall.......said no one ever!!!!

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...k&sort=default

[TC200six]

Originally Posted by MAFIA

Just another reason you should buy a Great wall.......said no one ever!!!!

http://www.carsales.com.au/private/d...k&sort=default

You mustn't have much between the ears if you pay that much for a Great Wall with ugly bits on it.

...When the new one is just $22,990!

[4.0i OHC]

Originally Posted by gassed250

You may as well compare an AU Falcon to an FG
An AU sedan with airbags only scores 3 starts making it 1 better than the old GW with no airbags
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbVobsLvV7E

Not all star ratings are equal. The AU sedan gets a safety rating of 24.2/37, just 0.3 short of a 4 star rating. The safest Aussie family car at the time. How did the Merc E class of the time fare? 25.7/37. The Falcon actually performed better than the Merc in the frontal offset crash test (11.37/16 vs 10.36/16), and only slightly worse for side impact (11.13/16 vs 11.33/16)

The Great Wall V240 on the other hand? 16.49/37. What did the Great Wall score in the offset crash test? 2.36/16. That's alarming. Surprisingly enough, the car performed perfectly in the side impact test (!) but the horrifying frontal crash test score can't be ignored. How do most crashes occur, anyway?

We should also compare apples with apples. The AU ute gets a safety rating of 4 stars, and it can't achieve 5 stars anyway due to the lack of stability control and seatbelt reminder sound.

As for the GW itself? My mum's cousin owned one, the tray was askew from factory. He upgraded to an early 2000s Mazda B-series.

[ShootsWithFilm]

Originally Posted by TC200six

You mustn't have much between the ears if you pay that much for a Great Wall with ugly bits on it.

...When the new one is just $22,990!

This one is doing the rounds now....

Sweet Mother of Jesus, why the f..k would you do that to ANYTHING let alone a Great Brick in the Wall! Surely this has to be a son of a cashed up cocky, who did this for a bet....surely

What has me rather concerned - its been serviced 3 times in its 4500 KM life?

[old_mate]

I bought two for the company, have put 70,000k's on one in 15 months and 20,000 on the other in 6 months

both have been fine. No drama's at all. Looking to buy a 3rd actually.

[Pedro]

I live on Mt Tamborine and sometimes get stuck behind cars struggling up the hill. But a few days ago I came up behind a small SUV and as soon as we got to the first incline on the way up, it slowed to a snails pace and continued to do so at every incline. I got up close to see what it was and the badge on the back said GREAT WALL. In eight years living uphere, I've never previously encountered such a gutless vehicle.

[99AUXR]

Originally Posted by Pedro

I live on Mt Tamborine and sometimes get stuck behind cars struggling up the hill. But a few days ago I came up behind a small SUV and as soon as we got to the first incline on the way up, it slowed to a snails pace and continued to do so at every incline. I got up close to see what it was and the badge on the back said GREAT WALL. In eight years living uphere, I've never previously encountered such a gutless vehicle.

Drove a great wall then jumped in a lada at work..... Lada never felt so quick

[aussie muscle]

Originally Posted by ShootsWithFilm

a Great Brick in the Wall!

i like that one.

[MAFIA]

Originally Posted by ShootsWithFilm

What has me rather concerned - its been serviced 3 times in its 4500 KM life?

Cause Great Wall use part made of Abestos to cut down cost!!!! They need servicing every few thousand km to keep em going!

[Thornie]

Guy on my crews X240 wagon is completely full of rust, the whole shell all the paints fading and the door and window seals are rotting, they may be a cheap car but still 20k+ for a car thats **** straight out of the showroom is just sad.

Forgot to add the car has electronic rust proofing and paint protection as well....

[duaned]

Originally Posted by Pedro

I live on Mt Tamborine and sometimes get stuck behind cars struggling up the hill. But a few days ago I came up behind a small SUV and as soon as we got to the first incline on the way up, it slowed to a snails pace and continued to do so at every incline. I got up close to see what it was and the badge on the back said GREAT WALL. In eight years living uphere, I've never previously encountered such a gutless vehicle.

One would assume this must of been a petrol version X240? Anyone know who well the X200 Turbo Diesel drives?

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by TheZHLANE

made in china.

that is all hahahaahaha

Hahahahaha!! "Made In China"...ahahahahah! Just like nearly all the boxes all our car accessories come in and most of our car parts! Hahahahahah!

...oh, wait...

[SEZ213]

I haven't read the previous six pages, but I'm going to go with...NO.

[jamies]

Get what you pay for... so no from me.

[99AUXR]

My issue is they are bad now but what are they going to be like in 5 years, they are just a waste of resources and are going to be the cause of so much disposable rubbish. Some people are so obsessed with doing the right thing for our planet so to say but they buy disposable vehicles

[gassed250]

Originally Posted by 4.0i OHC

Not all star ratings are equal. The AU sedan gets a safety rating of 24.2/37, just 0.3 short of a 4 star rating. The safest Aussie family car at the time. How did the Merc E class of the time fare? 25.7/37. The Falcon actually performed better than the Merc in the frontal offset crash test (11.37/16 vs 10.36/16), and only slightly worse for side impact (11.13/16 vs 11.33/16)

The Great Wall V240 on the other hand? 16.49/37. What did the Great Wall score in the offset crash test? 2.36/16. That's alarming. Surprisingly enough, the car performed perfectly in the side impact test (!) but the horrifying frontal crash test score can't be ignored. How do most crashes occur, anyway?

We should also compare apples with apples. The AU ute gets a safety rating of 4 stars, and it can't achieve 5 stars anyway due to the lack of stability control and seatbelt reminder sound.

As for the GW itself? My mum's cousin owned one, the tray was askew from factory. He upgraded to an early 2000s Mazda B-series.

the point was more comparing an old model to a newer one, the current V200-V240 has not had any ancap testing yet

I've had mine for a month now and racked up just over 8000km and so far its been a good thing, its a little under powered but GW have a free software package to fix the fuel/turbo mapping and the laggy power, and that will be done on its 15000km service by my local Ford dealer

the Asbestos gaskets aren't really a problem unless your a mechanic who likes to lick eat or sniff gaskets or removes them with a wire brush, saying that mine were changed at its first (5000km) service

As for the "you get what you pay for" line, I really do believe i got what i paid for unlike my mum who bought a 2010 V6 hilux work mate, she really got SFA for her $37000

Im happy with my GW it does exactly what i bought it for, Im that happy with the ute and the service from the Dealer that i actually bought a second car from them today, no its not another GW but a 2013 Focus ST in Tangerine

[gassed250]

Yeah another thread dig
Stumbled upon it looking for GW gearbox info

Well its been 10 years since i got my GWM v200, and its still going reasonably well, nearly racked up 300000km, no real issues except a cracked turbo inlet pipe and the turbo VNT actuator

No rust no broken bits, drivers seat has worn pretty bad but hey its a cheap chinese pos right

[Citroënbender]

How long did you have the Corty that gave your username?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

For $23,990 drive away you get a dual cab ute, but its horrible for safety, the seatbelts had problems tensioning and the airbag deploys, but the person inside still smashes their face on the steering wheel anyways.

$23,990 drive away, wouldn't even read about it these days, whats the LDV T60/GWM Cannon at their entry level - $40K?

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

Curiosity just got me there, $23,990 gets you a V240, is that the 4 star safety rating? I made a thread a while back looking for $20,000 on a ute to carry my tools around, its a bit ugly but for $23,990 you cant really complain.

An update to this, I ended up buying a new run out LV TDCI Focus in 2011 and it fit my tools in it just fine, I just got rid of it a few months ago where its new owner also abuses it

[gassed250]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

How long did you have the Corty that gave your username?

Still got it