And who said it wasnt revenue raising.....

[Interceptor]

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html

"What we find is people don't pick them as police cars and it's easier to pick offences like speeding, using a mobile phone or not wearing a seatbelts.

"We've found that people usually slow down and modify their driving behaviour when they see a marked police car.

nice to see the emphasis is now on catching people instead of preventing them from doing anything wronf in the first place.....

[Airmon]

Yeah I'd have to agree, I'd rather see more marked cars, even as they said people "Modify their driving behaviour when they see a marked car". Put enough marked cars out there and people will have to "modify" their driving style more often probably making them more aware in the process, this is just sneaky and utterly stupid.
Also why is it illegal for a Black/Gold licence driver to display P-Plates but not for a police officer?

[Interceptor]

gotta remember, there thousands of exemptions regarding police vehicles, virtually every roof mounted lightbar on police vehicles through history has been illegal by ADR's, but the police are exempt

[Geez Louise]

You would think that displaying a "P" Plate would be against the law....

Seems some rules are for the police and others for us fine payers!

[blueoval]

I reckon this a form of entrapment. They know police presence is an excellent deterant for good driving habits, but to willfully disguise themselves so as to catch people out is disgusting and a huge all out grab for revenue.

[GasoLane]

As Interceptor said in his quote from the Telegraph...

"We've found that people usually slow down and modify their driving behaviour when they see a marked police car.

"Slow down and modify their behaviour" Excuse me. I thought the whole idea was to get drivers to do this!

More marked cars means more people do the right thing!

Unmarked cars mean onle ONE thing...MONEY. From you, to them.

[GSfalcon500]

I dont know if you would get another ticket or not for doing this , but if you do see a civillian car with p plates with flashing lights behind you just keep driving obeying the road rules as you go and dont stop for it untill they call for backup of a marked patrol car then stop . if they say anything you could say that you thought it was some jerk p plater playing tricks pretending to be police.
There have been cases in Australia of people pretending to be police then assulting people when they stop,so you could use this as an argument too.
I have personaly seen a honda accord euro undercover car failing to pull up a car in Brisbane the guy must have kept driving and the accord must have called for backup so what i saw was a accord behind a commodore then a patrol car in front so they kinda sandwitched him then he pulled over.

And of course it is a money making exersize . But saying that I do see a use for it in built up residential streets to catch people blowing thru stop signs and stuff like that.

[CSV_LS1]

Why not have everyone dress their cars up like cop cars so you don't know which is real? :

That'd be fun.

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by blueoval

I reckon this a form of entrapment. They know police presence is an excellent deterant for good driving habits, but to willfully disguise themselves so as to catch people out is disgusting and a huge all out grab for revenue.

Not entrapment. Dodgy as though :

[Cuey]

I think it's very simple in the end...

Don't break the law and you won't get done. This doesn't change anything. Whether it be for revenue raising or public safety, the law is the law.

Don't want to lose money at the casion...don't go in! Don't blame the flashy lights and good food tempting you to go inside, it's your own fault

[xquizd]

Originally Posted by Cuey

I think it's very simple in the end...

Don't break the law and you won't get done. This doesn't change anything. Whether it be for revenue raising or public safety, the law is the law.

Don't want to lose money at the casion...don't go in! Don't blame the flashy lights and good food tempting you to go inside, it's your own fault

BLA BLA BLA!

P's are meant to be displayed for a reason, their not there for any to55a to display coz they felt like it.

Whats the point of having P's now if half the cars out there arent legit P platers??????????????

Ps. When someone works out the reason for P's let me know. :

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by Cuey

I think it's very simple in the end...

Don't break the law and you won't get done. This doesn't change anything. Whether it be for revenue raising or public safety, the law is the law.

Very narrow view.

I've been done twice for 5Km over in the last month or so. going down hill, on cruise control.
If I have to watch the speedo any more closely, I'm gonna smash up the a$$ of someone sooner than later.

20kms over. For sure. Your fault.... but 5kms is rich.

Originally Posted by Cuey

Don't want to lose money at the casion...don't go in! Don't blame the flashy lights and good food tempting you to go inside, it's your own fault

Don't want to learn to spell...... don't go to school!

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Cuey

I think it's very simple in the end...

Don't break the law and you won't get done. This doesn't change anything. Whether it be for revenue raising or public safety, the law is the law.

Don't want to lose money at the casion...don't go in! Don't blame the flashy lights and good food tempting you to go inside, it's your own fault

At last.

Some who has NEVER broken any laws anywhere

[fmc351]

Revenue raising is one way to interpret it, another is they are actually imposing the penalty on those who break the law. How often do you see people behave near the cop car, then change back to bad habits once out of their sight? There is no way we can afford the costs of having anywhere near enough police cars on the road to make people realise they will be around the next bend too. Based on those limits, they need to sacrifice some visibility and utilise it as stealth to make the monetary penalty act as a deterrent when not in sight of a police car. If people slowed down for days then youd have a point, but people merely slow for the brief seconds they are near the car.

A P plate is a good undercover trimming, nothing more.




lol at they should all be visible, maybe they should have the lights an sirens blaring all the time too, youd never get busted. That'd be sweet mate.

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

At last.

Some who has NEVER broken any laws anywhere

Funny you should read it like that. I never read anywhere he claimed to be holier than thou. Merely accepting the responsibility for any time he has broken a law.

[xquizd]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Revenue raising is one way to interpret it, another is they are actually imposing the penalty on those who break the law. How often do you see people behave near the cop car, then change back to bad habits once out of their sight? There is no way we can afford the costs of having anywhere near enough police cars on the road to make people realise they will be around the next bend too. Based on those limits, they need to sacrifice some visibility and utilise it as stealth to make the monetary penalty act as a deterrent when not in sight of a police car. If people slowed down for days then youd have a point, but people merely slow for the brief seconds they are near the car.

A P plate is a good undercover trimming, nothing more.




lol at they should all be visible, maybe they should have the lights an sirens blaring all the time too, youd never get busted. That'd be sweet mate.

They have unmarked cars! there is no need for the P plate, as stated earlier they are for a purpose. Why dont they just go & put some stuffed toys on the parcel shelf, now thats undercover trimming

[SPK-250]

Everytime i see news of this nature, a song by "Rage Against the Machine" always pops into my head.

"What we find is people don't pick them as police cars and it's easier to pick offences like speeding, using a mobile phone or not wearing a seatbelts.

"We've found that people usually slow down and modify their driving behaviour when they see a marked police car.

Meanwhile houses are getting broken into, cars getting stolen, people getting assaulted etc etc

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by xquizd

They have unmarked cars! there is no need for the P plate, as stated earlier they are for a purpose. Why dont they just go & put some stuffed toys on the parcel shelf, now thats undercover trimming

Why limit them to one thing? I agree, a bowls hat on the parcel shelf of a stocko would be a good touch.

They now have cars with ALL the trimming of private vehicles, I assume that means aftermarket mags, possibly stereos and whatever else fits the budget.

P plate is just one, and cheap too.

[Laminge]

Welcome to Victoria

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by fmc351

lol at they should all be visible, maybe they should have the lights an sirens blaring all the time too, youd never get busted. That'd be sweet mate.

In an American country town a few years ago they let all the police take their (marked) cars home with them AND use them for shopping etc.

Whilst this trial was conducted a marked derease in accidents and other traffic offences was noticed.

This wont happen of here of course because the Govt is too miserable to give more, much needed, money to the Police force.

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by fmc351

Revenue raising is one way to interpret it, another is they are actually imposing the penalty on those who break the law.

prevention is better than the cure

Originally Posted by fmc351

How often do you see people behave near the cop car, then change back to bad habits once out of their sight?

if theres a marked cop car virtually every corner people will be a lot more careful about where and when they decide to break any laws

Originally Posted by fmc351

There is no way we can afford the costs of having anywhere near enough police cars on the road to make people realise they will be around the next bend too.

think of what it costs to PURCHASE a F6, then a stocko BF XT...... i figure if you cant buy twice as many general duties MARKED police cars as F6's, someones doing something wrong

face it, the chances of someone not getting caught and going on to kill someone are reduced a LOT more if they're too scared to misbehave in the first place

prevention is better than any cure

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

In an American country town a few years ago they let all the police take their (marked) cars home with them AND use them for shopping etc.

Whilst this trial was conducted a marked derease in accidents and other traffic offences was noticed.

This wont happen of here of course because the Govt is too miserable to give more, much needed, money to the Police force.

Im not arguing a visible presence is not a good thing. Merely the numbers needed to eliminate the need for undercover type operations, well you wont like the tax hike and even if done, wont be effective regardless due to the massive dollars required. Its just not feasible.

Whatever they employed, like the example above, is good but not reason to eliminate other methods like stealth. You add to the range of the arsenal, you dont uniform it.

[|||]

Originally Posted by SPK-250

Meanwhile houses are getting broken into, cars getting stolen, people getting assaulted etc etc

dont forget all those donuts.

they wont eat themselves you know

[fmc351]

Originally Posted by Interceptor

prevention is better than the cure

As shown in the article, there is no prevention. There is merely avoidance, short term prevention, like the seconds it takes to get out of sight of the police vehicle. If the effect was long lasting youd have a point. Why limit yourself to short term prevention when a cure could be longer lasting?

Originally Posted by Interceptor

if theres a marked cop car virtually every corner people will be a lot more careful about where and when they decide to break any laws

If? If my aunty had nuts she'd be my uncle.

With what money do you think they would put a copper on every corner? Oh, youre under the misconception the money they spend here would even dent the situation.

If they spent the money they used here for stealth, youd never notice the extra presence, its that small. Fines and penalties have a longer lasting effect than the sight of the police car.

Originally Posted by Interceptor

think of what it costs to PURCHASE a F6, then a stocko BF XT...... i figure if you cant buy twice as many general duties MARKED police cars as F6's, someones doing something wrong

Except the 2nd stocko XT has no officers to drive it. Now each of those officers, covering how many shifts, at what wage and super and any other conditions they have? The unmarked F6 is looking a lot cheaper now isnt it?

Originally Posted by Interceptor

face it, the chances of someone not getting caught and going on to kill someone are reduced a LOT more if they're too scared to misbehave in the first place

True, but you wont achieve that. Do the math.

Originally Posted by Interceptor

prevention is better than any cure

Only if theres enough prevention to go around. Inadequate prevention is not prevention. In such cases, the cure is superior.

[blueoval]

I wouldnt care less what cars they had, but I believe a wrx or typhoon painted in cop colours would be more effective for better behaviour rather than sticking 'P' plates on in the attempt to 'make sure' they nab you doing 5km over the limit or whatever.

Just seems to me like they wanna be there when you fall. If that makes any sense.

[Fev]

can someone make the media pay more attention to real crimes please? maybe it will open the eyes of the police comissioner to figure out that protecting society is more important than punishing society for minor infrinements which 99% of the time pose no threat to anyone...

[blueoval]

Originally Posted by Fev

can someone make the media pay more attention to real crimes please? maybe it will open the eyes of the police comissioner to figure out that protecting society is more important than punishing society for minor infrinements which 99% of the time pose no threat to anyone...

best comment of this thread

[FGII-XR6]

well we have found another candidate for sainthood never broken a traffic law

Originally Posted by Cuey

I think it's very simple in the end...

Don't break the law and you won't get done. This doesn't change anything. Whether it be for revenue raising or public safety, the law is the law.

Don't want to lose money at the casion...don't go in! Don't blame the flashy lights and good food tempting you to go inside, it's your own fault

[Casablanca]

whilst i do not agree with the 5 km over limit i myself are only sitting on one point for a year as i was stupid enough to do the wrong thing twice, once i don't believe i should have been penalised as it was like 3kms over but because i'm on my p's i got one point and a fine and the second one which was my fault, i was being stupid doing like 25kms over on the motorway.

i am now so careful it isnt even funny i drive a heavily modded car but drive slower that a grandma and are so cautious. i should really thank the police for doing me because if i hadn't been caught and had kept on doing it i may be dead.

this is the sad truth people, i do understand about revenue raising hence i am annoyed at the first offence.

the idea behind the undercover is correct what happens if by chance all the police were marked. a) you would have like 50000 commonwhores on the road all waiting for there chance to crash their car or hoon or b) the police use their undercfover to catch these idiots and demerit them or in the extreme crush their cars.

i believe that the people objecting to this are people that a) don't care about others safety or b) are doing stupid things on a regular basis just because they can.

i have had my best mate pass away last month after one of his other mates was driving his commodore at an extreme speed in suburbia when he lost control killed 2 people and hit a power pole killing both of them instantly.

the law is there for a reason, at times i don't like it but we all have to live with it.

as you can all see i'm no angel but i have learnt the hardway and appreciate myself being caught.

cheers

nick

[Nikked]

Whilst the police are good to have, when it comes to stuff like this, they are more cowboy, they wan't to catch people and raise money , they (some) get their kicks from ticket writeing. From my experiance if the police are in heat, i'll be more careful with my car, but if there is a lack of marked cars around i'll be more reckless...