What are the best muscle cars for drifting??

sleekism · 07-11-2007, 01:50 PM

As drifting is the big thing and something that I am interested in I am faced with a dilemma. While I admire drifting I would not be caught dead in a Nissan Silvia or the likes. So for the aspiring drifter what are the best muscle alternatives??

From observations it appears that for a drift car you need rear wheel drive, good handling, short wheelbase and even weight distribution.

So I'm guessing anything big block is out of the question and anything as big as a Falcon is starting to get too big. Seeing as Tokyo Drift has popularised a 67 Mustang drifting is it in fact possible to make classic muscle cars good drifting vehicles. In my head I have the following possibilities.

#Chrysler Valiant Charger 265 Hemi/340 small block
#Ford Mustang Windsor/Cleveland
#Plymouth Barracuda LA V8 smallblock
#Holden Torana 202ci/308ci
#VB-VL Commodore RB30ET/308ci

Any other ideas I am tempted to include the Falcon but perhaps it's longer wheelbase presents a challenge??

nugget378 · 07-11-2007, 01:59 PM

Chargers are even worse for weight distribution than a falcon,thay are very tail light,
a VL of any description is NOT a muscle car..

Auslandau · 07-11-2007, 01:59 PM

Muscle cars DONT drift! THey dont go doof doof or ppfffft either!

So to answer your question, from the list above, Commode as these are NOT muscle cars!

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Rev28K · 07-11-2007, 01:59 PM

How about thinking outside the square RWD Holden/Isuzu Gemini with a supercharged V6 or blown 4, a Triumph TR7/8 or a Mazda RX7 S1 to S3 with an LS1 conversion. Maybe even an Alfa GTV 6 with a de-dion rear axle.

With a live axle the lateral (?) alignment of the wheels will remain parallel with the road but if you want to get negative camber you will have to get a bit creative.

The Monty · 07-11-2007, 02:03 PM

XD/E/F, turbo 6.

Steppo · 07-11-2007, 02:08 PM

there was a guy that built a F6 purpose built for drifting, even though he crashed it

Steffo · 07-11-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steppo

there was a guy that built a F6 purpose built for drifting, even though he crashed it

You mean FPV?

XR06T · 07-11-2007, 02:12 PM

never seen an overly successful muscle car do it..

a guy on here does well with his v8 ea i think it is..

GreenMachine · 07-11-2007, 02:18 PM

Muscle cars don't drift?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBZc2ccK80

Pardon?

XR06T · 07-11-2007, 02:23 PM

you got me..

there is your answer mate! get a charger and be that stunt driver and your away!!

Sprint347 · 07-11-2007, 02:28 PM

i suggest you watch a powercruise dvd and draw your own conclusion haha

wicksy · 07-11-2007, 02:29 PM

they drift camaros in the usa i know the falken drift team use them

Steppo · 07-11-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Steffo

You mean FPV?

yes i mean FPV, but the original question regarding Falcon's might be too big, a F6 is a falcon.

Tiapan · 07-11-2007, 02:48 PM

erm, boldger won the drift series in a monaro, and at the last race is saw it had a carby sticking out the bonnet.

long wheelbase would be easier to hold very sideways without swapping ends, most falcons have pretty good weight distrubution, nugget378 might know more on that subject,

i would like to see a ts50 with a shaker done up in sponsers smoke some rice burners

AUIIForte · 07-11-2007, 02:49 PM

There has been a middle aged man driving a HSV GTO, drifting around courses in the USA along side of cars like the Nissan silvia, Skyline, Supra, and other drift cars and actually winning whole tournaments with it. I know it is obviously heavily modded, but you know!

Pretty much, you can take what ever car you please and turn it into a performance drift car if you have the money!

sleekism · 07-11-2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

Muscle cars DONT drift! THey dont go doof doof or ppfffft either!

So to answer your question, from the list above, Commode as these are NOT muscle cars!

Well from what I have heard the Ford Mustang (late model) is dominating drifting in America with significant inroads been made by others such as the Dodge Charger and Pontiac GTO. I also remember watching a Japan vs America world drifting competition on youtube the winner.....

the Ford Mustang!

As for the VB-VL Commodore I included it because they are short wheelbase and non-Japanese. It may interest you that in Japan the Toyota Supra is considered a " muscle car".

I consider anything Australian/American with rear wheel drive, a large capacity six cylinder or V8 and a decent power to weight a muscle car but I guess others have different definitions.

As with the Falcon out of it's models what would be the best. I have seen the FPV DRIF6 but I am very skeptical about the BA's considering their weight.

What about an XD with a 351 or something like a XR-XC with XE suspension setup.

Oh and for anyone who has seen the end of Tokyo drift am I to expect a Plymouth Roadrunner to be a drift weapon. And if so are we going to see Aussie wog chariots on the drift track soon lol

(no disrespect to Mopar but is a LWB Valiant with a elephant engine going to perform that well on the twisties?)

Bossxr8 · 07-11-2007, 03:41 PM

Don't worry about a short wheelbase, AFAIK it makes it harder to drift because it will be twitchier?. A longer wheelbase would make it easier, I remember plenty of FPV Pursuit road tests where they claim its so easy to hold it sideways because of the long wheelbase. Saying that though it's supposed to be all in the setup, really stiff rear suspension and a mechanical LSD diff or locker.

rigs · 07-11-2007, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AUIIForte

There has been a middle aged man driving a HSV GTO, drifting around courses in the USA along side of cars like the Nissan silvia, Skyline, Supra, and other drift cars and actually winning whole tournaments with it. I know it is obviously heavily modded, but you know!

Pretty much, you can take what ever car you please and turn it into a performance drift car if you have the money!

That middle aged man driving a HSV GTO wouldnt be Rhys Millen would it?
I dont think many people would have access to the financial and technical resources and backing he had available to get that car winning those particular tournaments.

TZENU · 07-11-2007, 04:02 PM

302 Powered cortina or Esky... 4 spd toploader and a spooled 9" .... That could be fun!

Allen · 07-11-2007, 04:09 PM

Best muscle car for drifting??

The answer is obvious... the General Lee ;)

Apparently the movie used some of America's Pro drifters for the stunt driving in the Charger...

HLC · 07-11-2007, 04:32 PM

any e-series apparently.

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sleekism · 07-11-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Don't worry about a short wheelbase, AFAIK it makes it harder to drift because it will be twitchier?. A longer wheelbase would make it easier, I remember plenty of FPV Pursuit road tests where they claim its so easy to hold it sideways because of the long wheelbase. Saying that though it's supposed to be all in the setup, really stiff rear suspension and a mechanical LSD diff or locker.

So a live axle is no issue?? The magazines always get snooty about IRS but I have seen Watts-Linkage equipped Falcons handle the skid pan quite well.

I'm starting to think something like an EL XR8 would be good as they are so cheap, look good and I'm assuming it will be easy to get aftermarket parts for the Windsor??

A ground up build of a 67 Mustang would be choice though. I have been browsing parts and you can practically build a whole Mustang from new parts.

1967 Mustang with Windsor 427ci 500hp World Block

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Bossxr8 · 07-11-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

So a live axle is no issue?? The magazines always get snooty about IRS but I have seen Watts-Linkage equipped Falcons handle the skid pan quite well.

I'm starting to think something like an EL XR8 would be good as they are so cheap, look good and I'm assuming it will be easy to get aftermarket parts for the Windsor??

A ground up build of a 67 Mustang would be choice though. I have been browsing parts and you can practically build a whole Mustang from new parts.

1967 Mustang with Windsor 427ci 500hp World Block

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All Mustangs have had live axles, even the new ones, bar the recent Mustang Cobra which was the only model to use IRS.

nugget378 · 07-11-2007, 04:59 PM

Out of all the cars mentioned a torana would be the easiest to set up,the later LX shape not the LC-LJ.

They are a real easy car to setup for circuit racing and the same should apply for this,also great power to weight ratio,and they are very tuff looking...

Fev · 07-11-2007, 05:20 PM

In the american D! championship there is Rys millen driving a pontiac GTO(monaro) and another guy driving a El Camino.. they both do really well too.. although obviously stripped out for pro racing..

and the mustang only drifts well in tokyo drift because they replaced the old V8 motor with a 450+hp Rb26DETT out of a GTR (Inline twin turbo 6cyl)

TUF514 · 07-11-2007, 05:41 PM

Something that will off the purists.

Im thinking...... XY GTHO Phase 3!

Go on.... do it....

Poetic Justice · 07-11-2007, 06:24 PM

How about a fastback Mustang with an RB26DETT?

Had to be said

sleekism · 07-11-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fev

In the american D! championship there is Rys millen driving a pontiac GTO(monaro) and another guy driving a El Camino.. they both do really well too.. although obviously stripped out for pro racing..

and the mustang only drifts well in tokyo drift because they replaced the old V8 motor with a 450+hp Rb26DETT out of a GTR (Inline twin turbo 6cyl)

You are actually VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY wrong.

The actual Mustangs used for drifting purposes were in fact equipped with a Windsor V8 the RB26DET Mustang hardly had any air time at all.

Besides the fact (correct me if I'm wrong) that I don't think a Twin Cam straight six would be lighter than a simple small block OHV V8.

I started this thread because I'm starting to think a well set up muscle car could do a better job drifting than the ricers.

Think about it. A good drift car needs LINEAR power delivery. Wouldn't a V8 do a better job than a turbo.

Bloody Mustang Nismo makes me sick :ticking:

**Falcon Coupe** · 07-11-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sleekism

Bloody Mustang Nismo makes me sick :ticking:

Apparantly this is the reason they used the nissan engine:

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

I'll bet the process went like this:

Film making retard 1: "What sort of car can our american hero on the run from the law in tokyo drive?"
Film making retard 2: "I dont know, some kind of american car?"
Film making retard 1: "Hey yeah, cool idea."
Film making retard 2: "You know, that car in that Gone in 60 seconds was pretty cool"
Film making retard 1: "Awesome! but how can we make it appeal to the Dorifto crowd? You know, all those kids with their Hondas and their spikey hair and blue sunglasses and visors and stuff?" (American ricers)
Film making retard 2: "I know, we can make it like the cars they have on their posters that they masturbate over every night... what are those things? Sky... Skysomethings"
Film making retard 1: "Yeah! lets put like thos big wheels and one of those motors in the old car!"
Film making retard 2: "Cool!!"
Film making retard 1: "Mad tyte Yo!"
Film making retard 2: "Hey, do you want to come round and watch Broke Back Mountain on my Plasma tonight?"
Film making retard 1: "Sure!"

Boss 330 · 07-11-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Gammaboy

I'll bet the process went like this:

Film making retard 1: "What sort of car can our american hero on the run from the law in tokyo drive?"
Film making retard 2: "I dont know, some kind of american car?"
Film making retard 1: "Hey yeah, cool idea."
Film making retard 2: "You know, that car in that Gone in 60 seconds was pretty cool"
Film making retard 1: "Awesome! but how can we make it appeal to the Dorifto crowd? You know, all those kids with their Hondas and their spikey hair and blue sunglasses and visors and stuff?" (American ricers)
Film making retard 2: "I know, we can make it like the cars they have on their posters that they masturbate over every night... what are those things? Sky... Skysomethings"
Film making retard 1: "Yeah! lets put like thos big wheels and one of those motors in the old car!"
Film making retard 2: "Cool!!"
Film making retard 1: "Mad tyte Yo!"
Film making retard 2: "Hey, do you want to come round and watch Broke Back Mountain on my Plasma tonight?"
Film making retard 1: "Sure!"

Funniest thing ive seen all day!!