Chinese Ute already recalled...

[AWD Chaser]

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...25768E000636A6

WTF - The seatbelt failed during ANCAP testing yet this car was still allowed to go on sale to the public????? Thats insaine!!!!!!

A CHINESE-made ute that scored just two stars under the independent Australian New Car Assessment Program (ANCAP) when a seatbelt failed in crash testing has been recalled to fix the belt retracting mechanism.
The $23,990 Great Wall Motors V240 twin-cab – launched as the first Chinese vehicle on the Australian market in June alongside its even cheaper $19,990 sibling, the SA220 – was roundly criticised by road safety experts after the ANCAP result was made public.
ANCAP engineers reported the belt failure to the federal transport department, whose administrator of vehicle standards took up the issue with the importer Ateco Automotive.
The safety recall campaign was announced this week on the federal Australian Competition and Consumer Commission’s web site which said the front seat belt retracting mechanism could fail to correctly restrain occupants under extreme loads.
The statement blamed a “manufacturing tolerance” for the potential failure of the seatbelts.
Great Wall Motors spokesman Daniel Cotterill today told GoAuto that the company had received no reports of V240 seat belt failure on Australian roads.
However, he said the recall had been announced so the company could replace the mechanism on 115 cars, while a further 285 vehicles would be checked.
SA220 (top and centre), V240 (bottom).
V240 owners have been asked to return their vehicle to their dealer for the rectification work.
Mr Cotterill said there were no plans to recall Great Wall’s other ute, the SA220.

[tufLTD]

I'll bet this isn't the last recall on these POS.

[Full Noise]

Originally Posted by tufLTD

I'll bet this isn't the last recall on these POS.

You Australians always complain. You fat people, that why seat belt no work. Our Great Wall is best wall and our cars are best cars. We all skinny people over here and we have no ploblem here with seat belts, most no even wear them.

You think I say solly, but I don’t. If you didn’t buy our fantastic car, no one would know about ploblem, you just make trouble.

We have way of dealing with trouble maker.

[vanman_75]

excellent post full noise ,but everyone knew this would happen china and quality are miles apart ....and no they shouldn't be on sale

[XR6_190]

Suprise suprise, This was bound to happen, and there will be many more to come.

After all these Great Wall things really do suck.

[snappy]

. You Australians always complain. You fat people, that why seat belt no work. Our Great Wall is best wall and our cars are best cars. We all skinny people over here and we have no ploblem here with seat belts, most no even wear them.

You think I say solly, but I don’t. If you didn’t buy our fantastic car, no one would know about ploblem, you just make trouble.

We have way of dealing with trouble maker.

[Bobman]

Haha, nice one, Full Noise.

Does anything manufactured that's good ever come out of that polluting country? Only an idiot would buy a Chinese made vehicle anyway.

[S3SR]

didnt the VE have dramas with the seat belts?

don't manufacturers buy seat belt and similar mechanisms from other suppliers?

[TUF_302]

Surprise surprise! NOT!!, how can they sell such utter crap here!!! :

[Smoke Pursuit]

I cant wait to see them in 4 - 5 years time... Remember the TATA utes.. They were literally tata after a few years!

Btw this things based on the old model Rodeo... same sheet metal and all so it started off life pretty bad in the first place!! :P

[S3SR]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Haha, nice one, Full Noise.

Does anything manufactured that's good ever come out of that polluting country? Only an idiot would buy a Chinese made vehicle anyway.

an idiot or a wiser man?

3 greatwalls for the price of 1 poverty pack hilux?
carry loads on a farm, just need clearance for a work vehicle why would you not?

yeah sure its got a poor crash rating, so does the barina..... so would our falcons if you hit a car at 100kph head on .... the greatwall man if he lives is still in front in the pocket...... and still has 2 more cars at home, youve got some crappy hertz rental car for weeks until they fix it

and yes your computer screen and keyboard probably made in china or indonesia or maylasia or korea or the phillippines, unless you paid alot it wasnt made in australia or japan!

as much as these chinese cars are built to a price NOT a standard....... YOU asked for it....... YES YOU DID........ hence why they are here........ supply and demand, dont want your fuel guzzling falcon or commodore or japanese hilux costs too much, china answered your call..... and you still complain

well the way i put it, its natural selection, i wont buy one, but im damn happy with the build quality of the thailand built cars over the australians....... maybe we spend too much time worrying about pay and fair work conditions.....

flame suit off, i welcome all criticism

[Road_Warrior]

Many protection from the crashings.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by S3SR

an idiot or a wiser man?

3 greatwalls for the price of 1 poverty pack hilux?
carry loads on a farm, just need clearance for a work vehicle why would you not?

The best electronics come out of Japan and Germany, not China and are not that expensive.

As for being wise. I was a mechanic at Kia for a few years (Korean garbage) and the warranty claims we used to get were just ridiculous and very serious for what were brand new cars (Carnival, Pregio, Sorrento, etc). Working at Ford, sure there were warranty claims, but nothing like the Kias.

I'd rather have a car that will last the distance and is a proven product - like a Falcon Ute that you can get on LPG, so no gas guzzler there over junk that is not suited to our conditions.

Good luck seeing these utes on the farm for work; they'll be sitting there after breaking down and left alone!

[Iggypoppin']

as a basic cheap work hack, im sure a great wall would be fine. but hey, when it comes to my cars, i try to buy australian from now on in.

[Addz08]

get what ya pay for I suppose....

[Chopped]

All bow to Full Noise - That's an awesome post/ the best in a long time

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Full Noise

You Australians always complain. You fat people, that why seat belt no work. Our Great Wall is best wall and our cars are best cars. We all skinny people over here and we have no ploblem here with seat belts, most no even wear them.

You think I say solly, but I don’t. If you didn’t buy our fantastic car, no one would know about ploblem, you just make trouble.

We have way of dealing with trouble maker.

That had me in stitches. lol

[TC200six]

Nice one Full Noise. One thing I don't get is why I'm already seeing Great Walls getting around. : buy a second hand ute any day

[pertuan]

Originally Posted by Bobman

The best electronics come out of Japan and Germany, not China and are not that expensive.

I have to disagree with you slightly here. The whole product (DVD player, TV etc) comes from Japan and Germany. However, the internal electronics were probably mostly made in China. There are a heck of a load of DSPs, ASICs and other circuitry that's made in China then sent to high-end assemblers (Philips/Denon/Onkyo/Sony etc) for them to use.

[S3SR]

Bobman - i know i just thought id add the other undefended side of the story..... i couldnt care to be honest, just greatful for slavelabour and wanted to start a debate but you got me!

just looking my Logitech G7 mouse was made in china....... best bit of kit ive bought for my computer...... now to find a wife! :P joking

[Spanrz]

Full noise, I love it..........
That's why some O/S car makers never make it to the export markets, because they believe there is no problem with them, the problem is with the O/S market.

launched as the first Chinese vehicle on the Australian market in June.

However, he said the recall had been announced so the company could replace the mechanism on 115 cars, while a further 285 vehicles would be checked.

Is that what they have sold / manufactured? OMG!

[Yellow_Festiva]

Teething problems that any new car will have.

A ute that costs half the price of its rivals.. geeze, some people are very hard to keep happy.

Ford recalls for this year:

2009

* Ford Motor Company of Australia Limited—Certain Ford LV Focus and MA Mondeo Models fitted with DW10 Diesel Engine—Brake Vacuum Pump
* Ford Motor Company of Australia Limited—Ford VM Transit Steering Wheel Inspection
* Ford—Ford BF Series II/III and FG Falcon E-Gas—Brake Booster Check Valve
* Ford—SX and SY Territory—Front Brake Hoses

So 3 possible brake faults, and a possible steering fault....

He / She who has never sinned can throw the first stone.

[G6ET8U]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Teething problems that any new car will have.

A ute that costs half the price of its rivals.. geeze, some people are very hard to keep happy.

Ford recalls for this year:



So 3 possible brake faults, and a possible steering fault....

He / She who has never sinned can throw the first stone.

No doubt mate... but I'd prefer a car that might not stop but is good in a crash to one that probably won't stop and I will die in a crash whether it stops or not...

And under 500 vehicles... seriously BAYFORD(insert your dealer of choice) sold that last month. They have sold <500 in 6 months.

[Phantom Turbo]

Those utes look dodgey from day one. And thats from just watching the Ad's.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Spanrz

Full noise, I love it..........
That's why some O/S car makers never make it to the export markets, because they believe there is no problem with them, the problem is with the O/S market.

Yep ... just like Hyundai and Kia all those years ago.

What country has the capacity and determination to break onto the world market and be the largest manufacturer in the world .... if they are not the biggest already? This is just toe in the water stuff ....... things will kick along. Don't forget, these cars may be manufactured in China but there will be a lot of world backing behind them ...... they ain't just doing it on there own. They aren't that stupid.



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[G6ET8U]

Originally Posted by auslandau

Yep ... just like Hyundai and Kia all those years ago.

What country has the capacity and determination to break onto the world market and be the largest manufacturer in the world .... if they are not the biggest already? This is just toe in the water stuff ....... things will kick along. Don't forget, these cars may be manufactured in China but there will be a lot of world backing behind them ...... they ain't just doing it on there own. They aren't that stupid.

It has taken Hi Undies over 20 years to get to where they are in Australia. Don't even talk about Kia.

China can buy all the companies that they want. It gives them data. It does not give them knowledge. It may also buy them market share but it DOES NOT buy them favour.

[Ohio XB]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

Teething problems that any new car will have.

A ute that costs half the price of its rivals.. geeze, some people are very hard to keep happy.

Ford recalls for this year:



So 3 possible brake faults, and a possible steering fault....

He / She who has never sinned can throw the first stone.

Your point is taken, but there is also an asterisk to go with this. How many of the Ford issues were due to a vendor defect? Just another consideration, as opposed to design and operation of a functional seatbelt, and airbags that keep the people from hitting the dash and steering wheel, their main functions.


Road_Warrior, your Chinglish is very goodly.


I read the rest of the article and it bears being posted...

The SA220 – which unlike the V240 does not even have airbags or ABS available – also scored just two stars in the ANCAP testing, while Proton’s Jumbuck ute scored just one. However, the Jumbuck is set to be replaced by a new model in 2010.

The ANCAP problems for the V240 arose in the critical offset frontal barrier crash test when the passenger seatbelt mechanism failed near the peak of the impact, allowing the webbing to unreel.

Even though the passenger airbag deployed, the dummy’s head hit the dash.

To make matters worse, the driver-side dummy’s head struck the steering wheel, despite the airbag deploying.

ANCAP said the passenger cabin had deformed on impact, and components of the steering column and dashboard were also a potential source of injury.

The V240 also lost points under the rating system because it does not have ESC or seat-belt reminders, nor does it have top tether anchorages for child restraints.

When the ANCAP results were announced in September, ANCAP council chairman and VicRoads manager of vehicle safety Ross McArthur said the Great Wall results were particularly disappointing given they were new models on the market.

“The V240 has dual airbags but these failed to protect the driver and passenger from injury in our crash tests,” he said.

Here's the ANCAP crash test. At the end you can see the passenger hit the dash THROUGH the airbag.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0YQuUMQLfk

Here's a news story covering the 2 utes as well as the Jumbuck death machine, crash video included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2OCY...eature=related


Steve

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Ohio XB

Your point is taken, but there is also an asterisk to go with this. How many of the Ford issues were due to a vendor defect? Just another consideration, as opposed to design and operation of a functional seatbelt, and airbags that keep the people from hitting the dash and steering wheel, their main functions.

What rubbish. Vendors sell a car, manufacturers build them.

If you bought a packet of Smiths chips from a vending machine and found a crinkle cut finger in the packet would you be calling the owner of the machine or Smiths chips direct?

Car vendors will do a pre delivery inspection, however if many cars have been found to have faults that warrant attention sufficient to have a recall than it is a manufacture defect, not a vendor defect.

You mention the role of seatbelts and airbags in the GW cars. Brakes are needed for stopping and steering is needed to maintain direction control. I would be far more worried about these recall issues than a seat belt or air bag recall.

If someone gave you the option of 2 cars. 1 had faulty steering and brakes, the other a faulty seatbelt and air bag which would you choose?

I'm not condoning GW motors. I personally think they are cheap and nasty with underwhelming performance and shocking safety. Would I buy one? probably never. Will they sell well, I think yes, because they are NEW and CHEAP.

Yes, the youtube clips have already been posted. While they are shocking they still reflect the emphasis on cost saving over design efficiency.

But for the price they sell them, that's what you get. If you want to buy a safer car either spend twice the price or buy second hand.

Oh the Jumbuck... a model nearing the end of it's 6 year model run, which is based on borrowed Mitsubishi hardware that's over a decade old. But again, that's what you get when you buy a light ute that undercuts its nearest rival by $5-7000.

That recall site is actually a very interesting read.

http://www.recalls.gov.au/content/in.../itemId/952401

2009 Ferrari defect:

Failure of rear tyres in their adhesion quality if vehicle is driven at a maintained constant maximum speed.

2009 Maserati—Quattroporte & GranTurismo:

The ball joint fastening nuts of the suspension levers may not have been correctly tightened to the correct nominal torque.

Recalls and manufacturer defects happen to the best as well as the worst of them. It won't be the last recall, but it isn't the end of the automotive world either.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by HYPOG6

It has taken Hi Undies over 20 years to get to where they are in Australia. Don't even talk about Kia.

China can buy all the companies that they want. It gives them data. It does not give them knowledge. It may also buy them market share but it DOES NOT buy them favour.

They can buy knowledge by the bucket loads. No you cannot buy favour but you can buy market share with a reasonable product. At the moment it is off the mark but won't be long until they have products that do. The rest will come will full into place in no time.

If Ssangyong Musso can sell 4x4's in Australia with there bad design and over priced crap, China will romp it home eventually. All I am saying is, just because it is coming from China, don't just dismiss it.



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[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by HYPOG6

It has taken Hi Undies over 20 years to get to where they are in Australia. Don't even talk about Kia.

China can buy all the companies that they want. It gives them data. It does not give them knowledge. It may also buy them market share but it DOES NOT buy them favour.

Data in turn provides knowledge. And over time, once designs become more pleasing to the eye, once safety becomes more important over low prices and if prices remain comparatively low this combination will EARN them favour.

Do your brand research before trying to appear smart. If you looked into the DATA, you would have increased your KNOWLEDGE on the matter and found that from 2006-2009:

Ford had 23 recalls,
Hyundai had 6 recalls
and Kia had 3.