Q Police to extend speed cameras to suburban streets

[YOOT]

Originally Posted by UNR8D

really... why? no im serious... im courious to know how you think its going to be the savour of the qld population to have a stealth tax system.

Because no matter how riteous you make yourself out to be on this forum, if you get caught speeding in my street you deserve to be one step closer to being locked up.

If you have a problem with that then maybe your motivations are not road safety and road funding but personal responsibility. You wouldn't be so fired up if you weren't a cronic hoon driving a V8 owner. If your peronal priorities laid in cars getting you from A to B you wouldn't even notice the speed camera or have to deal with them.

Your just affraid of having your fun spoilt because they are cracking down on people like yourself. They end is near.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by YOOT

Because no matter how riteous you make yourself out to be on this forum, if you get caught speeding in my street you deserve to be one step closer to being locked up.

If you have a problem with that then maybe your motivations are not road safety and road funding but personal responsibility. You wouldn't be so fired up if you weren't a cronic hoon driving a V8 owner. If your peronal priorities laid in cars getting you from A to B you wouldn't even notice the speed camera or have to deal with them.

Your just affraid of having your fun spoilt because they are cracking down on people like yourself. They end is near.

Thats why youve had an XR6 Turbo ute and now a Subaru Forester Turbo.. Coz Turbos are required to get from A to B... LOL!

[csv8]

I have no problem with speed cameras, WHEN THEY ARE USED AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED !! ie in KNOWN BLACK SPOTS.
But at the bottom of hills, behind bus shelters,in bushes etc. I DO !!
They are no longer used as intended. Just blatant revenue raising. The camera is regularly positioned near where I live and there hasn't been a fatality in this area for 3 years !!!! Known black spot !!! bah humbug !!

[SLO AU XR8]

Originally Posted by YOOT

Because no matter how riteous you make yourself out to be on this forum, if you get caught speeding in my street you deserve to be one step closer to being locked up.

If you have a problem with that then maybe your motivations are not road safety and road funding but personal responsibility. You wouldn't be so fired up if you weren't a cronic hoon driving a V8 owner. If your peronal priorities laid in cars getting you from A to B you wouldn't even notice the speed camera or have to deal with them.

Your just affraid of having your fun spoilt because they are cracking down on people like yourself. They end is near.

Just because someone owns a V8, it doesnt make them a hoon. Hey, you must be a hoon because you own a turbo car!

Not one driver is perfect. Everyone has and will speed. Fact is, some people get caught, others don't.

The speed camera's are not about road safety, but paying off the debt that capitain Bligh got QLD into.

[csv8]

From the UK...So why is Tory-run Swindon borough council considering removing speed cameras and spending the £400,000 a year it spends on them on other road-safety measures? Peter Greenhalgh, head of transport in Swindon, says speed cameras are "a blatant tax on the motorist" and a "cash cow". The Treasury, not local councils, keeps the proceeds of the fines.

[YOOT]

Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

Thats why youve had an XR6 Turbo ute and now a Subaru Forester Turbo.. Coz Turbos are required to get from A to B... LOL!

The point is I own a fast car and have owned a couple and I have not received speeding fines because I don't drive in such a way that it will happend (often). The people that carry on about speed cameras wouldn't have anything to worry about unless they 'had fun' too much and the new cameras are putting a stop to it.

Turbo/V8 power can be used for manythings than speeding, as discussed a Datsun 120Y is more than capable of getting you caught. Overtaking, towing, driving in sand could be the main reason I purchased my cars...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by csv8

From the UK...So why is Tory-run Swindon borough council considering removing speed cameras and spending the £400,000 a year it spends on them on other road-safety measures? Peter Greenhalgh, head of transport in Swindon, says speed cameras are "a blatant tax on the motorist" and a "cash cow". The Treasury, not local councils, keeps the proceeds of the fines.

Now this will be very interesting. Not for the results but for the spin doctoring.

Result 1) road deaths go either because of no cameras or because of a totally unrelated reason.

Spin by the tax collectors "I told you so"

Result 2) road death remain the same or lowers.

Spin by tax collectors "See our speed camera policy has made the drivers safer and just think how many more lifes could have been saved if there were cameras in this area"

[YOOT]

Originally Posted by SLO AU XR8

Just because someone owns a V8, it doesnt make them a hoon. Hey, you must be a hoon because you own a turbo car!

Not one driver is perfect. Everyone has and will speed. Fact is, some people get caught, others don't.

The speed camera's are not about road safety, but paying off the debt that capitain Bligh got QLD into.

Good, pay the debt off with all the knobs who think its ok to speed past my kids every day. I don't care how much they make, each driver has to run out of points money eventually, that will make them stop.

[GULL]

Originally Posted by Peuty

I wish I was as awesome as you.

OMG ! what a waste of breath,go back to sleep Peuty !

[WILDTRAKPX2]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yeh because in urban QLD where the speed limit can and often does change several times in a single block of a single street it FAR more important to be concentrating on your speedo than looking out for kids playing or dogs or pushbikes or cars backing out of driveways or potholes.

e.g. Main Street Hervey Bay (just around the corner from me)

80, 60, 50, 60, 40, 60, 70, 60, 50, 40.

BUT going over the same road in the other direction

40, 50, 60 70, 60, 80.

Spot on! A quick trip from Gympie to say Nambour now involves:
50, 70, 60, 40, 60, 80, 90 (Gympie-Cooroy, don't get me started with this one!), 80, 90, 100, 110, 100, 110, 80, 60 speed zones.

I remember when I learnt to drive. Whilst driving relatively unsafe cars (compared to today's cars) on terribly dangerous highways, we kept a bit of an eye on our speed but mainly concentrated on vision and road conditions. We still drove at speeds similar to today.

25 years later, now that "speed kills", speed zones change every 5 minutes and fines increase, the tables have turned. We now drive safer cars on better roads at the same speeds, yet watching the speedo has become time consuming and counter productive, especially for learners!

[UNR8D]

Originally Posted by YOOT

Because no matter how riteous you make yourself out to be on this forum, if you get caught speeding in my street you deserve to be one step closer to being locked up.

If you have a problem with that then maybe your motivations are not road safety and road funding but personal responsibility. You wouldn't be so fired up if you weren't a cronic hoon driving a V8 owner. If your peronal priorities laid in cars getting you from A to B you wouldn't even notice the speed camera or have to deal with them.

Your just affraid of having your fun spoilt because they are cracking down on people like yourself. They end is near.

I have a stalking... sweet.. always wanted a labradoor.

I wasnt going to give a response but I will.

I have never been caught, nor have I ever been warned for speed in a residential zone/area all of my tickets have been open road or merging onto western freeway going from 60 to 100 was my last ticket, to put this in perspective I have NEVER lost my licance.. I do on average now about 50,000k a year but owned a limo for 2 years doing 3000k's a week, then wholesale/value so was on the road for a fair bit of that as well, so make up your own mind about my driving tactics but I would have a fair guess that ive done a few more K's than most in my driving timeline ;).

Yes I have given the TS a bootfull here and there, even off the odd set of lights if that makes me a criminal then so be it, but I see a huge difference to giving it a boot through 1st gear opposed to doing 90 in a 60km/h zone down a street that barely passes as a walk way or a schoolzone at 3:00 in the afternoon.

Back on topic, I suggest you read my previous posts in regards to being SERIOUS about the road toll, I have not just had a go at the tactic's used or the lunitic of a state leader, but I have put forward a suggestion about how to reduce the road toll, something that SHOULD have been on the table years ago, but as always its easier to fine the **** out of everyone and not deal with it.

If you think that more camera's are going to solve the issue of guys in your street then you are the one who needs to wake up.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by YOOT

The point is I own a fast car and have owned a couple and I have not received speeding fines because I don't drive in such a way that it will happend (often). The people that carry on about speed cameras wouldn't have anything to worry about unless they 'had fun' too much and the new cameras are putting a stop to it.

Turbo/V8 power can be used for manythings than speeding, as discussed a Datsun 120Y is more than capable of getting you caught. Overtaking, towing, driving in sand could be the main reason I purchased my cars...

Exactly.. Im the same.. ive had 4 V8s now and drive my familes F6X and G6ET daily... Never had one speeding infringement notice!!!

But labling someone as a hoon just because they drive a V8 is like me labling you as a hoon just because you drive an Turbo!! Not fair!

[mac_man_luke]

Originally Posted by China

They have had speed cams in Suburban streets in SA for years , they sometimes park outside my house. When I park my car in front of them they try and make me move it, but there is no legeslation to back them up. Here is punch line, they just move the car up the road no speed check no agle check nothing just go on as if it had not been moved.

We have em in front of our house sometimes except we park behind em so people cant slow down

60 in a 40 zone deserves a fine IMO

[UNR8D]

ban this ban that, fine for this fine for that... its always the motorist's fault.

I grew up being able to play in the crescent *on the road* because it was a area with very little traffic flow etc, always had someone keep watch etc if you were gokarting down the hill etc or playing cricket, but the increase of people and the density of our living arrangements means this is a thing of the past, point im making is that Roads are for VEHICLES not pedestrian walkways, not a childs playground *never have been on main roads regardless of how far you go back* Cars and drivers arnt always 'at fault' pedestrian's/cyclist's and general moron's seem to blame the drivers for their lack of commonsence when using roadways, hence why we have this massive focus on 'speed being the sporn of the devil' because the harder you hit the less likely you are to survive.... heres a thought though, how about instead of making everything walking pace, how about people use their brains and not be in dreamland when crossing the road or using the roadways in a shared enviroment the degree of blame should be shared as there are alot of times where the poor driver cops it because of the brainless pedestrian, unsupervised child, uncontrolled dog and so the list goes on.

drive to the conditions, keep your car in good working order, be observant and not just an a-b driver would save more lives than some stealth tax hidden in dodgy car on the side of the road giving out fines after the fact.

how after 10years of swollowing the fact that speed camera's save lives I fail to believe this, I fail to see how its the god send its made out to be, and I fail to see how people continue to swollow that it will work..... ill leave the swollowing up to the porn producers, its about time we had a serious rethink on how relative it is to keep doing the same things expecting a different result....

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by GULL

OMG ! what a waste of breath,go back to sleep Peuty !

Can't sleep, clown'll eat me.

[djjase]

Originally Posted by YOOT

Good, pay the debt off with all the knobs who think its ok to speed past my kids every day. I don't care how much they make, each driver has to run out of points money eventually, that will make them stop.

What I find funny about this is that it has been proven time and time again that it is the parents dropping off their kids that don't do 40km in 40 zones maybe your the only one who seems to be truely concerned for their kids maybe you should be speaking to all the other parents at your school who don't seem to care.

[lisa_xr6t]

Totally agree with you "Yoot",you are absolutely spot on.The idiot's that speed deserve to be caught and dealt with accordingly.To the whinger's and the moaner's who can't tolerate being caught speeding,..don't speed, simple really.

Cheer's.

[China]

yoot if you went to your local butcher and he weighed your purchase on non certified proven faulty scales would you be happy. You should be because speed detction devices in this country are non certified and are proven to be inaccurate a unreliable. When chalenged properly in a court the evidence from a speed camera or Lidar unit is in admissable.

[UNR8D]

Originally Posted by lisa_xr6t

Totally agree with you "Yoot",you are absolutely spot on.The idiot's that speed deserve to be caught and dealt with accordingly.To the whinger's and the moaner's who can't tolerate being caught speeding,..don't speed, simple really.

Cheer's.

you have failed to answer my question....

if you can provide proof that speed ''alone'' will stop people being killed then I will publicly apologise, until then my question still stands.

there are many reasons for accidents, and more often get reported to grab the headlines a point of this was made in the accident reported where the driver drove thru a fence and killed a young kid. "HOON" and "speeding" were reported as national headlines and in the middle of the second paragraph it mentioned he was plastered after drinking home brew all day... yea was ONLY the speed that killed that kid.....

Speed in its self doesn't kill, otherwise there would be no V8 super-cars, the planes I travel on would simply fall out of the sky and racing would have been banished eons ago, creeping over wont make you kill a kid, it may even avoid an accident, and I promise you will struggle to find an accident that is PURELY attributed to SPEED alone and not having any other attributing factors.

My street for instance is used as a rat run, people nail it down, most do more than 50... and very seldom a few do the posted limit. 1 accident has happened on this street for as long as I or my house mate can remember and he has lived here for 5 years, and that involved a car doing the speed limit and a moron reversing out with paying no attention....

IF they were serious we would have mandatory driver training, I mean we have SEX ed and DRUG ed... why not the one thing that everyone does?... why not the thing that is supposedly killing us all *yes I am being sarcastic*, why not make you take your license test every 5/7 years to keep up to date with road rules and not form life long bad habits, and then every 2 years after 70 when your reactions slow down?... you see it COSTS money to save lives, but when sheep like yourself swallow the fact that putting a camera up everyone's behind is going to solve the problem you do more swallowing than a street whore... both you and YOOT.

if you want people to stop dieing, educate them.. you wont stop every death and nature has a way of culling off the non fit, but by fining the hell out of everyone is not the solution to the problem, its not even a band aid fix.

[turbo_man]

i totally agree, i think the answer is driver training it is almost always not entirely speed (except for the occasional idiot doing 100+ in suburbia)
al you have to look at is countries like germany, if the "speed kills" slogan was true than how come the unlimited autobahns arent practically demolishion derbies?
because they are trained to handle a car at that speed and bad habits are weeded out early.
eg if the m5 were to suddenly be de restricted it would be total chaos with cars flying every which way.
they think that adding more hours for learners will solve this well if you could pass the p test at 50 why bother with 120? if they want to make better drivers make training compulsory and getting your licence harder.
all these lower speed limits and fines will do nothing,
cars are much safer and better than 30 years ago so how come speed limits are decreasing?
in my opinion lower speed limits can be just as dangerous, as an l plater im limited to 80 and doing 80 on the highway is not only a scary experience with cars flying past you at 110+ it is also mind numbingly boring as it is just a straight line with the occasional curve at a slow speed and fatigue sets in very quickly
i find it difficult to concentrate for long periods on the highway as it is both scary and very fatigueing

[lisa_xr6t]

Oh dear, my sincere apologies to "UNR8D".I was not going to answer your question because I didn't bother reading whatever it was you wrote.However now that you have your undies in a knot I guess I had better try to answer your daunting question.

Obviously speed alone can only be a "contributing" factor in any accident,as there is alway's other factor's. Such as prevailing condition's, driver experience, car condition and so on.I have seen many accident's over the year's where speed has played a major part,such as a 12 month old XA GT Falcon torn from the front passenger door to the rear passenger door.Ripped in two by a pole in Sydney south in late 73.

Of course people like yourself alway's choose a soft option as "speed alone" because anyone with half a brain know's there are alway's contributing factor's. I have attended and been to many accident's over the year's and know from experience that speed is alway's and will alway's be a problem. I don't have to justify my opinion to people like you,because no amount of experience or logic would ever get through to you. I guess we can only hope to one day be as great as yourself.

Cheer's.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by lisa_xr6t

Oh dear, my sincere apologies to "UNR8D".I was not going to answer your question because I didn't bother reading whatever it was you wrote.However now that you have your undies in a knot I guess I had better try to answer your daunting question.

Obviously speed alone can only be a "contributing" factor in any accident,as there is alway's other factor's. Such as prevailing condition's, driver experience, car condition and so on.I have seen many accident's over the year's where speed has played a major part,such as a 12 month old XA GT Falcon torn from the front passenger door to the rear passenger door.Ripped in two by a pole in Sydney south in late 73.

Of course people like yourself alway's choose a soft option as "speed alone" because anyone with half a brain know's there are alway's contributing factor's. I have attended and been to many accident's over the year's and know from experience that speed is alway's and will alway's be a problem. I don't have to justify my opinion to people like you,because no amount of experience or logic would ever get through to you. I guess we can only hope to one day be as great as yourself.

Cheer's.

While attending these accidents were you in your official vehicle or pushing a barrow just like you are here......

[GT290]

The attitudes on the roads here in Australia is nothing short of arrogant, selfish and with little regard for each other. Bull you say, deny it all you people like but its true. As it has so clearly been stated on here that apart from other curcumstances, speed is the main contributing factor. Well what are these other factors
Merging on coming traffic......
common curtosy on the free way like use of lanes, hogging lanes blocking lanes not pulling back in to let others passed, speeding up to stop some one els passing you or merging from a lane ending, clearly seeing rthat a lane is ending or road works requiring you to merge but you all like sheep converge on the very last meter of the ending lane braking and squessing in.
All this selfish crap mixed in with texting and phoning or what ever the hell you have to play with in your car. can any one els add to this. Oh and stopping at a rounda bout with give way, flow is the word of the day here, traffic should flow and if you maintain a pretty good distance from those in front then it will work fine but oh no, feck that, that means letting some one in front of me!

After driving on the roads in the UK I realised how up tight this country is on the roads. Its really bad and its not getting any better. The cestapo attitude of governments serve only to fill their pockets.
I could go on but I think I have made my point that pretty much speed is a minor contributer, its just a lot of on the roads. We travel too slow on the roads now.
Comming back from a long trip, got tired but put the foot down and made the drive through the hills more interesting and the brain more active and hey I was wide awake. Fecking strange that

[GT290]

Oh and its 50 mph in the towns and 70mph on the open roads in UK but on the free ways from london up through scotland you can drive at 90mph wich is about 140 in our money. They will ping you bad for undertaking which is illegal here but never enforced.
No wonder driver habbits are bad here you only get booked for speeding and nothing els!

[UNR8D]

Originally Posted by lisa_xr6t

Oh dear, my sincere apologies to "UNR8D".I was not going to answer your question because I didn't bother reading whatever it was you wrote.However now that you have your undies in a knot I guess I had better try to answer your daunting question.

Obviously speed alone can only be a "contributing" factor in any accident,as there is always other factor's. Such as prevailing condition's, driver experience, car condition and so on.I have seen many accident's over the year's where speed has played a major part,such as a 12 month old XA GT Falcon torn from the front passenger door to the rear passenger door.Ripped in two by a pole in Sydney south in late 73.

Of course people like yourself always choose a soft option as "speed alone" because anyone with half a brain knows there are always contributing factor's. I have attended and been to many accident's over the year's and know from experience that speed is always and will always be a problem. I don't have to justify my opinion to people like you,because no amount of experience or logic would ever get through to you. I guess we can only hope to one day be as great as yourself.

Cheer's.

back in 73 hey, did they know about disc brakes or even thought of ABS back then?... airbags? or multi lane divided roads with dividers to keep an out of control vehicle on the correct side of the highway even at 150km/h plus?.. the driver was just speeding?? so at 80km/h he wouldn't have died?.. what about 60?? realistically you cant argue the point about speed being a contributing factor, regardless of it being 1/60 or 150km/h it was part of the accident, but less so then the other distractions/factors involved, unless of course it was some utter idiot doing 150 down a suburban street... in which case id be curious to know of the mental health of said driver.

I wouldn't have an issue with speed enforcement if it was practical and relevant, ITS NOT however and that is the biggest issue I have.

airport drive about 2 minutes from my house has got no less than 5 speed changes in 4km of the SAME straight bit of road, every weekend its being enforced, every weekend its a line of cars getting booked... yet not 1 accident in the 4 years Ive been driving that road, and for 2 of those years was once every 30 minutes doing limo work... the only accidents on that road that i have seen are people running up the back of the car in front due to the general population not knowing how to use a roundabout.. hardly speed related.

to give you a RECENT and prime example as to where speed can save life's.. no less than twice on my 7000k trip did i have to exit stage left to avoid a head on collision because some dick decided to do the speed limit and no more while over taking... I'm doing 110, he is doing 110 and only half past a truck ditto for the second one, I had the skill and forethought to brake and get off the to the shoulder and safely pull the car up while this dick in a commodore wagon full of family carried on its merry way, second incident was similar, by thinking that not breaking the speed limit will save lives and thinking its a killer then I'm sorry you really need to retake a test at driving, and particularly defensive driver training

no I don't have my panties in a bunch... but I still am unsure HOW 100000 speed camera's are meant to save lives.... YOU have STILL failed to explain that... *a snapshot from 1973 doesnt count but thanks for the time warp* all Ive gathered is that your contradicting your self saying that it will solve all issues when clearly using your own words its just a ''contributing factor''

[rancidpunx]

Originally Posted by GT290

Oh and its 50 mph in the towns and 70mph on the open roads in UK but on the free ways from london up through scotland you can drive at 90mph wich is about 140 in our money. They will ping you bad for undertaking which is illegal here but never enforced.
No wonder driver habbits are bad here you only get booked for speeding and nothing els!

Dont forget Fog Lights! They are way more distracting than trying to keep track of every bodies intentions, as well as concentrating on my own driving. Oh and throw in checking my speedo every 5-10seconds. You know what would make life easier, if only they had markings on the road telling people where to be and stay, and a way to tell other motorists which way they will be turning before they even begin to brake. Oh yeah we have those, only problems is, they seem to be missed when taking your driving test. :

But at least you get it GT290. Driving in QLD is shocking, yet speed is the reason behind all the deaths on the road. Apparently.

Its also worth noting that apathy is alive and well. The government said so, it must be true.

And LISA_XR6T, i understand why people are getting their knickers in a twist. The "soft option" as you put it, is the governments stand point, apparently they dont have "half a brain" as your refer.
So they will hide out in the back of beat old toyotas with a camera, nobody will pay them the slightest bit of attention (of course this is what they want) and as such nobody will slow down. Its OK though because 2 weeks later speeders get a letter in the mail with a fine. BUT just around the corner from the cop 2 weeks earlier, after they didnt slow down because they didnt see the cop, they hit the kid playing footie in the street.

[China]

Those of you who think speed is a big factor in collisions should go and do some reaserch in Australia and around the world before you make statements your in for a big supprise

[Ego T]

The thing that gets me and alot of other people is how the government uses speed causing death as the excuse for revenue raising. It's disgusting.

I believe that speed limits are important and should be enforced but there is so much more to the road toll than speeding...

This article in the Gold Coast Bulletin sums it up beautifully.


Road to revenue

Robyn Wuth | December 23rd, 2009

THERE'S an old joke, I'm sure you've heard, that goes like this: How can you tell if a politician is lying?

His lips are moving.

Boom-tish.

Well, Police Minister Neil Roberts's lips were moving this week and he was ... let's just say, stretching the truth.

It's no surprise in Anna Bligh's Government, given the string of scandals in her term so far, but the pulling of the wool is not usually quite so blatant.

Mr Roberts announced this week that speed cameras will be coming to a suburb near you.

'Anywhere, anytime' is the catchcry and in any 40km/h zones and in quiet 50km/h streets, you could be snapped.

It's only a week since the Government announced the introduction of point-to-point cameras to stop speeding, but it's not revenue raising, Mr Roberts assures us.

Like hell.

"We know that speed contributes to more than a quarter of fatalities on our roads each year," said Mr Roberts.

Actually, that's not true.

According to the Road Crashes Queensland Report released in May this year, speed contributed to 18 per cent of fatal accidents and only 5 per cent of all crashes.

That's significantly short of a quarter, Mr Minister, but I won't quibble.

In fact, it might interest you to know that the No.1 cause of fatal accidents is not speeding, not drink-driving, or seatbelts.

They are just the easiest offences for which we motorists can be charged.

No, the No.1 factor in road fatalities is the combination of inattention and drivers failing to obey road rules.

Together, those two factors account for 55 per cent of all fatal accidents.

The figure is even worse for young drivers, who are more likely to die on our roads than any other age group.

Sadly, fatalities among young adult road users were 165 per cent more likely to involve inexperience, the report states.

They were 67 per cent more likely to involve speed, 35 per cent more likely to involve alcohol and 50 per cent more likely to occur after dark.

So Minister, don't you dare stand there and tell this state that speed is the No.1 reason people die and that putting speed cameras in suburban streets is saving lives.

It isn't.

It's about raising money for the Government's coffers, pure and simple.

I'm tired of the rhetoric.

You need the cash.

If the biggest killer on our road is inattention and failing to obey road rules, then surely that's the issue on which we should concentrate our efforts.

Of course, it's not as easy nor as profitable as giving a ticket, I suppose, but it has the potential to save more lives.

I was talking to a former town councillor a while back, Cr Max Smart -- not the secret agent -- and he has lobbied for years for a road safety to be taught in our schools.

Unfortunately no one's paid much attention.

Much easier to issue a ticket or sit in a speed camera van.

These road figures prove Cr Smart is right.

People are dying because they aren't being taught how to drive safely, so let's change the way we teach our kids to drive.

Let's invest in our children by teaching them defensive driving skills, let's make them study the road rules and give them the skills they need to survive.

As Mr Roberts said, accidents cost this state billions of dollars and costs hundreds of lives each year.

Instead of using that fact to defend such blatant revenue raising, why not try to change it?

http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/...h-opinion.html

[djjase]

Its not speed its fatigue that kills - in most head on accidents on highways are caused because of either fatigue or someone taking their eyes off of the road veering onto the wrong side of the road hence causing a head on.

For a number of years they have been pushing fatigue as one of the biggest factors - how do speed cameras have anything to do with this? if you really think speed camera's is about saving lives you are fooling yourself. Why is there 2 speed cameras on the M4 in Sydney where there has never been an accident or at least as long as I can remember. Drove to Melbourne the other day - they now have speed camera's everywhere without and notices of their existence. Speed camera's is all about money raising for the government - thats it - where does the money go? not on the roads thats for sure.

[djjase]

Read all about it here:

http://www.policespeedcameras.info/news_nsw1.html

Read the story about the $990,000 in revenue that was supposed to be returned to motorist for fines -