Orion/FG/E8 platform could run until 2016?

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

actually, BF finished in 2007?

BF finished 06, BFII finished in 08.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by Coyote V8

hard to think its being 10 years since AU-BF models. far out...

Yep, same wagon body being sold from 1998, 12 years ago! And it still outsells the Mondeo.

[XR Martin]

Chevy Suburban has been around since the 1930s, not continuous but the name is still in use. Technically the Corvette isnt continuous either as there was no 1982 model.

[dannyhilton]

Ford Australia have been very quite on this kind of thing for so long, so hearing this makes me think that they have received some great new from head office. Fingers crossed we can put the Falcon and Mustang back on the same platform, preferably based on the Falcon, and then we'll have a proper, world class GRWD platform.

[Resurrection]

What will determine the life of the FG is when Euro V is introduced in Australia. Ford will not want to spend money calibrating a model which is nearing the end of its life.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

What will determine the life of the FG is when Euro V is introduced in Australia. Ford will not want to spend money calibrating a model which is nearing the end of its life.

Euro3 and 4 is where the big dollars had to be spent on engine development from an emissions point of view.

5 & 6 is all in the tune and cats now.. (and better fuel quality), and IL6 can do it.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

Euro3 and 4 is where the big dollars had to be spent on engine development from an emissions point of view.

5 & 6 is all in the tune and cats now.. (and better fuel quality), and IL6 can do it.

Isn't the biggest issue getting it to last longer and comply??

Also the better fuel quality will be interesting cause the price of fuel for the masses which will increase pressure on larger cars being more fuel efficient.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Isn't the biggest issue getting it to last longer and comply??

Also the better fuel quality will be interesting cause the price of fuel for the masses which will increase pressure on larger cars being more fuel efficient.

All the work to achieve Euro V is done, so they have until it is introduced to get the hardware to work. The I6 has a place in the next Falcon if what I've heard is true.

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Paxton

All the work to achieve Euro V is done, so they have until it is introduced to get the hardware to work. The I6 has a place in the next Falcon if what I've heard is true.

Silly question, if the work is done, why don't we see it on the car then?? Sounds silly to do the work & then not put it in the car!

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

Silly question, if the work is done, why don't we see it on the car then?? Sounds silly to do the work & then not put it in the car!

Money, Euro 4 cost $21 million and the Government pitched in $13 million of that.
When the government wants Ford to develop and validate compliant
I-6 enginefor Euro 5 and 6, Ford can ask for funding to make that happen.
That way Ford can play the local engine and castings plants for all its worth.

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Money, Euro 4 cost $21 million and the Government pitched in $13 million of that.
When the government wants Ford to develop and validate compliant
I-6 enginefor Euro 5 and 6, Ford can ask for funding to make that happen.
That way Ford can play the local engine and castings plants for all its worth.

Sounds about right mate.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Paxton

Sounds about right mate.

I'm thinking Aussie Emissions will stay in step with Asian countries,
China, India and Australia move onto Euro 4 this year so maybe
we sit with them and go to Euro 5 when Europe goes to Euro 6....

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Paxton

All the work to achieve Euro V is done, so they have until it is introduced to get the hardware to work. The I6 has a place in the next Falcon if what I've heard is true.

In fact, "they made it look easy"

[Paxton]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

In fact, "they made it look easy"

They did indeed. Who needs Alloy Blocks and Direct Injection. This engine can't be killed. Many have tried, none have succeeded.

[JPFS1]

Originally Posted by vztrt

Isn't the biggest issue getting it to last longer and comply??

Also the better fuel quality will be interesting cause the price of fuel for the masses which will increase pressure on larger cars being more fuel efficient.

Yes that's definitely another difference between the standards, but I wouldn't say it's the biggest issue.

PLENTY of good news on the horizon.......and not only relating to this.... i think ;)

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

Yes that's definitely another difference between the standards, but I wouldn't say it's the biggest issue.

PLENTY of good news on the horizon.......and not only relating to this.... i think ;)

Ahh ok. I knew they smoked E5 in. But didn't know how much the costs for getting it into production was gonna be an issue.

With Marin steadying the ship the other day, things are looking good. I'd hate to see a good car go. Especially one that has so much potential.

[FPV GTHO]

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Chevy Suburban has been around since the 1930s, not continuous but the name is still in use. Technically the Corvette isnt continuous either as there was no 1982 model.

Falcon is 2nd longest running FORD nameplate, not overall. Its topped by the F series.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by JPFS1

Yes that's definitely another difference between the standards, but I wouldn't say it's the biggest issue.

PLENTY of good news on the horizon.......and not only relating to this.... i think ;)

With FoA confident that the I-6 can meet Euro 5 & 6, their attention will no doubt turns to
where the Falcon goes to from here and what vehicles need to be allowed for under its umbrella.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Paxton

They did indeed. Who needs Alloy Blocks and Direct Injection. This engine can't be killed. Many have tried, none have succeeded.

Isn't it great?
Almost brings a tear to the eye that something which is the absolute undisputed class leader is designed and built here.
The funny bit is watching the other manufacturers crate in engines from their global parts bins and not be able to match the little aussie battler.

No joke, Ford Oz has the best, most reliable and long lived 6 cylinder engine in the world. Over 400nm of torque from a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder; unbelievable.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by ltd

Isn't it great?
Almost brings a tear to the eye that something which is the absolute undisputed class leader is designed and built here.
The funny bit is watching the other manufacturers crate in engines from their global parts bins and not be able to match the little aussie battler.

No joke, Ford Oz has the best, most reliable and long lived 6 cylinder engine in the world. Over 400nm of torque from a naturally aspirated 6 cylinder; unbelievable.

Made on a shoestring budget

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by Paxton

All the work to achieve Euro V is done, so they have until it is introduced to get the hardware to work. The I6 has a place in the next Falcon if what I've heard is true.

The only thing there is that the platform architecture will still need to accommodate an 'orphan' engine from 2016 instead of a global engine, which dents the platform-sharing concept. Unless the designers can work out common hardpoints that will accommodate both the I6 and global motors...then again the Coyote is a global engine so much of that work may have already been done...

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

The only thing there is that the platform architecture will still need to accommodate an 'orphan' engine from 2016 instead of a global engine, which dents the platform-sharing concept. Unless the designers can work out common hardpoints that will accommodate both the I6 and global motors...then again the Coyote is a global engine so much of that work may have already been done...

Skip the Mustang, let's do a Falcon coupe on a slightly shorter wheelbase
and call it THUNDERBIRD..Americans would go crazy for that..

We could also build Lincolns on the Thunderbird, Falcon and Fairlane
FoA could head up the luxury car market for Lincoln with Global sales
that include I-4 and V6 Ecoboost, V6 and V8 Diesel and Petrol V8 variants.

[Nikked]

I think the I6 days are still numbered....

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I think the I6 days are still numbered....

Depends on your time line, Burela has just confirmed that the
current E8 product cycle is continuing for another five years.

[Dr Smith]

Which raises a question in my mind that as a non-engineer I don't know the answer. For a while now about the only negative (in the press that is) that has been aimed at the I6 is it still retains the same bore centre spacings as the early derivatives from many decades ago. What I would like to know is how in hell is that a "negative" and how does this have any bearing on efficiency etc...?

It's a bit like saying the standard school ruler has remained 30cm long since 1966. What bearing does that have on the ability to draw a straight line or measure distance or in fact make it an inferior design?

[Falc'man]

Nothing negative about that at all - unless you're building an 8000rpm screamer.

[Raptor]

Originally Posted by Dr Smith

Which raises a question in my mind that as a non-engineer I don't know the answer. For a while now about the only negative (in the press that is) that has been aimed at the I6 is it still retains the same bore centre spacings as the early derivatives from many decades ago. What I would like to know is how in hell is that a "negative" and how does this have any bearing on efficiency etc...?

It's a bit like saying the standard school ruler has remained 30cm long since 1966. What bearing does that have on the ability to draw a straight line or measure distance or in fact make it an inferior design?

Bore spacing is largely irrelevent IMHO. The press are just trying to portray the engine as old technology and that's about the only thing they can reference that relates back to the original I6 engines. The rest is close to state-of-the-art, well except for the heavy iron block and long lazy stroke but that's why we love em.

However, as appealing as I find the I6, maintaining such a large N-S engine does create packaging compromises that are becoming harder to justify as each year passes. Such as the long bonnet (cabin space implications), engine weight distribution (forward and high c-of-g), higher bonnet line (pedestrian impact crush/crumple zones) and so on.

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

The only thing there is that the platform architecture will still need to accommodate an 'orphan' engine from 2016 instead of a global engine, which dents the platform-sharing concept. Unless the designers can work out common hardpoints that will accommodate both the I6 and global motors...then again the Coyote is a global engine so much of that work may have already been done...

The I6 just needs to stop being an orphan and go global (well US anyway). It's be a natural fit (along with the Territory diesel) in the on-again/off-again downsized and reborn F100. I'd love to hear the Aussie engineers had secretly been fitting and testing the I6 in the T6 Ranger replacement.

Ford US, not only do we have your premium Lincoln RWD sedan but here's your new F100 too
(Coyote, Barra I6 and small Diesel engine options)

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I think the I6 days are still numbered....

Nothing lasts forever, but I wouldn't want to start counting down just yet. Not even in 5 years time.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Nothing lasts forever, but I wouldn't want to start counting down just yet. Not even in 5 years time.

It would be getting close but. The main things the tell me that its last days are near, are its length, the fact that its iron blocked and Ford's global strategy.

[ltd]

I thought I read somewhere that the I6 is getting a look in for a more industrial application such as in pick up trucks. Wasn't there talk that another marquee was interested in the aussie I6?