Trade in the FG for a Commodore? - Page 2

wrongwaynorris · 07-07-2012, 07:06 PM

Something very very very fishy about this car with those K's at that price .

WASP · 07-07-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jmack

when people say such n such car is slower the than such and such car does that mean that car cannot do 110kmh ,in todays traffic a push bike beats you most of the time.honestly how many people race their cars or is it nepolean syndrome for most people.

Using that logic we might all drive around in Hyundai i30's as that also does 110 and uses much less fuel doing it than any of the cars mentioned in this thread.

Just because you buy a faster car doesn't mean that you intend on racing it. It just means you value a method of transport that has much greater performance potenial than than the average Camry and you wish to reach legal speed limits faster and in a much more enjoyable driving fashion. Therefore as you choose to spend more money to have this performance, measuring the value proposition between to models based on a speed comparision actually makes perfect sense.

blownv8au · 07-07-2012, 08:02 PM

This sounds like the one in just cars recently. At the end of the add "has motor issues" . I'll have a look and see if its the same one.

flappist · 07-07-2012, 08:09 PM

Ok hands up all those who are too stupid to understand the meaning of the phrase "Reserve not met" and rather than look up what it means as far as the auction is concerned just go off like a pork chop in the sun......

**PepeLePew** · 07-07-2012, 08:10 PM

(FLAPPY FOR IN WITH A SUITABLE REPLY FIRST .... EDITED)
I sold a vehicle recently and the number of scammers contacting me floored me, carsale/carsguide absolutely rife with them.

Scammer or reserve with the reg feedback above? Your risk...

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 08:14 PM

body of the listing has a buy it now price

(which incidentally didn't seem that cheap to me)

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 08:17 PM

given that ebay is an auction, so there's no further haggling on price once it sells (although some users forget that) the price doesn't really blow my hair back

just a guy who wants to sell it quickly

being a bit cheaper than market is how to do it. nothing suss

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/....5&sort=~Price

stevz · 07-07-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Ok hands up all those who are too stupid to understand the meaning of the phrase "Reserve not met" and rather than look up what it means as far as the auction is concerned just go off like a pork chop in the sun......

It has a buy it now price of $19,000 which is roughly half of true market value.

Also at the bottom of the listing it says 'NO RESERVE'

stevz · 07-07-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

given that ebay is an auction, so there's no further haggling on price once it sells (although some users forget that) the price doesn't really blow my hair back

just a guy who wants to sell it quickly

being a bit cheaper than market is how to do it. nothing suss

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/....5&sort=~Price

The examples in that link are 2006-2007 models with well over 100,000kms on them! The car in question is a 12/2009 build with 14,500km. Massive difference!

And if there's 'nothing suss', why does the registration enquiry say that it's unregistered?

**PepeLePew** · 07-07-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

It has a buy it now price of $19,000 which is roughly half of true market value.

Also at the bottom of the listing it says 'NO RESERVE'

Do they actually have Western Union in Nigeria anyway? Though I guess those maritime engineers are AWFULLY well paid, maybe they can afford to give em away

JC · 07-07-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezaman

Hey guys, I'm at a cross roads where I can pay thousands getting my XT FG to a decent speed, or just suck it up and buy a VE SS for the same price.

why the hell are Fg xr8's and xr6t's still so damn expensive, there's an 09 ss on ebay for 19k with 15 thousand on the clock compared to an 08 xr6t with 150k on the clock for 25 grand.

times like these it sucks being a ford fan

Having read this thread, and the line under your user name (WTF cares????), buy the VE.

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

It has a buy it now price of $19,000 which is roughly half of true market value.

Also at the bottom of the listing it says 'NO RESERVE'

19 x 2 = 36 =

stevz · 07-07-2012, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

19 x 2 = 36 =

roughly [ˈrʌflɪ]
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1. without being exact or fully authenticated; approximately

RAPID_BA · 07-07-2012, 08:35 PM

If it seems too good to be true....

Dont be the "theres one born everyday"

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

The examples in that link are 2006-2007 models with well over 100,000kms on them! The car in question is a 12/2009 build with 14,500km. Massive difference!

And if there's 'nothing suss', why does the registration enquiry say that it's unregistered?

Would be listed at about 25 - 27 on carsales

Which means you (well I guess I mean me) would pay about 20 -21 for such a common car

Which means at 19 grand, and sold on ebay seems about right to me.

Yeah, maybe the listing is suss, I didn't take the time to really scour it, I am just saying the price alone does not make it suss in my opinion

Seems about right (good buying for someone perhaps, but still right)

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

roughly [ˈrʌflɪ]
adv
1. without being exact or fully authenticated; approximately

wow, when it comes to being rough, you don't **** around do you?

stevz · 07-07-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

Would be listed at about 25 - 27 on carsales

Which means you (well I guess I mean me) would pay about 20 -21 for such a common car

Which means at 19 grand, and sold on ebay seems about right to me.

Yeah, maybe the listing is suss, I didn't take the time to really scour it, I am just saying the price alone does not make it suss in my opinion

Seems about right (good buying for someone perhaps, but still right)

BS.

These are more indicative of true value

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...00&sort=~Price

Franco Cozzo · 07-07-2012, 08:46 PM

How about you ditch the Falcon, walk past the VE SS and XR8 and buy a Focus XR5 Turbo and join us in the Focus section, take it into one of our forum sponsors and get her tuned, we also have cookies.

You can have a car which goes fast in a straight line, faster in the corners and is easy to park.

babyf6 · 07-07-2012, 08:47 PM

The reason its so cheap - its got a bowtie on the front.

nstg8a · 07-07-2012, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Ok hands up all those who are too stupid to understand the meaning of the phrase "Reserve not met" and rather than look up what it means as far as the auction is concerned just go off like a pork chop in the sun......

lol, and hands up whos too stupid to read the whole auction before calling everyone else pork chops...

pot meet kettle.

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

BS.

These are more indicative of true value

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/...00&sort=~Price

Something is worth the price it changes hands for, not what someone lists it at.

Try turning off the km filter on your search and you go back to mid $20's

There are 547 SSV on carsales alone. Add about the same again for SS (which is the same car minus leather and diff dash)

Add to that the ones rusting away in yards etc and the huge volume of cars being held privately etc

Plus it has no rego, needs a safety certificate, probably need to freight it.

Sure, it's good buying, to someone who wants a very low kay older car, but that's it

stevz · 07-07-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

Try turning off the km filter on your search and you go back to mid $20's

Why would I want to do that?

The car in question has 14,500km so I specifically used the km filter so I could compare apples to apples.

It is clear to me that you are just distorting the facts to suit your flawed argument.

Enough said.

nstg8a · 07-07-2012, 09:05 PM

its a 25k + car every day of the week.

somethings clearly not right with it. still no reply to my email.

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stevz

Why would I want to do that?

The car in question has 14,500km so I specifically used the km filter so I could compare apples to apples.

It is clear to me that you are just distorting the facts to suit your flawed argument.

Enough said.

Your search had 17 cars out of 547 listed (over a thousand if you include SS's)

I believe if your goal is to estimate the value of a car you are better using as many examples as you can.

The above is not true if you are just looking to win an argument.

Some people care about kays, others not so much.

The less common something is the harder it is to value it.

Trying to put a value on the difference between an 80,000km (for eg) car and a 14,000km car is not easy.

**Dave R** · 07-07-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

Something is worth the price it changes hands for, not what someone lists it at.

That's right, nobody in their right mind would pay near 35k for an '09.

stevz · 07-07-2012, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

That's right, nobody in their right mind would pay near 35k for an '09.

Nor would anybody in their right mind sell one for $19k

Shonky. · 07-07-2012, 09:20 PM

out of warranty, no rego, sold over the internet, need to freight it

Second hand cars are just not worth what people (including private sellers) think they are

for example (I know this one doesn't have leather seats or 19's) but this is the price before you even walk in there. If you know your stuff you'd get a bit more off it:

http://www.carsales.com.au/bncis/det...__N=4294965857 4294965745 1216 1246 4294739946&silo=Stock&Range=Price:Min,Max~0.5&sort =~Price

stevz · 08-07-2012, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shonkymofo

out of warranty

Being a 12/2009 build it still has at least 5 months of warranty, depending on when it was first registered.

And just for reference sake...

http://www.redbook.com.au/cars/resea...&Ridx=2&eapi=2

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2009 Holden Commodore SS V VE (Aug)
4 Door Sedan
8 Cylinder, 6.0 Litre
Manual, Rear Wheel Drive
Petrol - Unleaded ULP
13.9 / 100Km

* Private Price Guide $30,400 - $33,700
* Trade In Price Guide $24,400 - $27,700
* Average Km 45,000 - 75,000
* Price When New $55,290*

But somehow you've come to the conclusion that $19k for a 14,500km example is a perfectly realistic price.

jmack · 08-07-2012, 10:16 AM

not saying go buy a small car but saying that x car is not as godd as y car because it is .1 sec slower to 100 or down the 1/4 is stupid.how may people put the same tyres back on that the car it came with or go for a cheaper version which effects grip and times but keep bragging about factory time for which they will probably never get near.and if you are talking about performance if you want a v8 and not a 6 then the ls motors have that end covered ,after all how many cars on this site are as manufacturers intended,i know none of mine are.all i was saying is kw and times arent everything there are good and lemons with all car brands and

CFOUR · 08-07-2012, 10:18 AM

1st generation VE's leave a lot to be desired, a lot like EA falcons where at the time. get a VE2 if you set on a lolden. you can get a b-series gt for 20k if your patient.