Today's election

[Bill M]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

...booths
How many times did you vote?

And yes, Bunnies should enter politicking. At least you’d get a cabinet that lasted three years without sudden change or deterioration.

Dropping off a latte to a friend working at another polling station

[cheap]

Originally Posted by xeeclipse

Kevin rudd's carbon tax legacy and Billy boys affiliation with the greens is what ultimitely sealed his fate.

True, but I kinda think Chris Bowen played a decisive role. Chris Bowen. “If you are worried about your home value dropping. Don’t vote labor”. Well people listened to that message ...

[Franco Cozzo]

The reactions on social media are priceless

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/r...e459a284f008f5

You'd think the sky was falling, that's why I love social media because it's such an echo chamber of particular views that they talk themselves up and they all think things will fall a particular way.

Naturally I love stirring them up too

[MITCHAY]

Well one thing is for sure. People are lying to the pollsters, they are not reaching a representative amount of people or a bit of both.

Sportbets paid out early to the tune of $1mil + and there is some poor bastard who threw down a $1mil on a Labor win is cursing the polling companies

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

Well one thing is for sure. People are lying to the pollsters, they are not reaching a representative amount of people or a bit of both.

Sportbets paid out early to the tune of $1mil + and there is some poor bastard who threw down a $1mil on a Labor win is cursing the polling companies

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-elect...08-p51lar.html

The bet, only the second ever made by the NSW man with Ladbrokes, was put on Wednesday afternoon

Second and last bet I reckon after an epic 7 figure loss

[asagaai]

What I find morbidly fascinating is listening to some Labour leaders like Penny Wong etc, bemoaning the fact that Australians fell for the fear campaign.

Perhaps labour should take a leaf from Arthur Sinodinos who was noting after Libs got up last night that the Liberals would have to canvass those Labour voters in Qld to work out their concerns and issues.

Speaking personally, I find that Labour has an arrogance regarding their policies and not caring what people on the ground think- they have lost sight that they work for the people and are trustees of our money.

No Penny - listen- a lot of Australians did not fall for the fear campaign, they considered the policies and did not like the deflationary asset redistribution agenda that your party was pushing.

Furthermore- to ask voters to vote for them when they were going to spend our money on a massive expense (climate change) when that policy was not spelt out in detail and no costings-really-....who would ask a builder to build an extension (not detailed) and with builder not providing costings- simply access to your open ended line of credit.

Penny Wong and her ilk need to get off the arrogance stool and listen to the Australian's concerns, aspirations etc.

But of course it was all Clive Palmer and his negative campaign that lost Labour the election

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by asagaai

What I find morbidly fascinating is listening to some Labour leaders like Penny Wong etc, bemoaning the fact that Australians fell for the fear campaign.

Perhaps labour should take a leaf from Arthur Sinodinos who was noting after Libs got up last night that the Liberals would have to canvass those Labour voters in Qld to work out their concerns and issues.

Speaking personally, I find that Labour has an arrogance regarding their policies and not caring what people on the ground think- they have lost sight that they work for the people and are trustees of our money.

No Penny - listen- a lot of Australians did not fall for the fear campaign, they considered the policies and did not like the deflationary asset redistribution agenda that your party was pushing.

Furthermore- to ask voters to vote for them when they were going to spend our money on a massive expense (climate change) when that policy was not spelt out in detail and no costings-really-....who would ask a builder to build an extension (not detailed) and with builder not providing costings- simply access to your open ended line of credit.

Penny Wong and her ilk need to get off the arrogance stool and listen to the Australian's concerns, aspirations etc.

But of course it was all Clive Palmer and his negative campaign that lost Labour the election

There was a lot of arrogance from her and Tanya Plibersek, refusing to concede.

The ALP is in an interesting situation now, they've been pushing the gender equality wheelbarrow for a long time now, consistently taking pot shots about the lack of women in the LNP.

Tanya Plibersek is the deputy leader AND a woman, she is the next in line to become the leader of the ALP theoretically.

Are they going to make her the next leader and back their gender equality statements?

Or maybe Albo who is more popular with the public - but a bloke?

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Speaking personally, I find that Labour has an arrogance regarding their policies and not caring what people on the ground think- they have lost sight that they work for the people and are trustees of our money.

No Penny - listen- a lot of Australians did not fall for the fear campaign, they considered the policies and did not like the deflationary asset redistribution agenda that your party was pushing.

and yet this is why im currently having a distaste for the Libs and how they have been helping the big banks and big businesses at the taxpayers (which is commonly the average joe) expense , even when these companies pay so little to start with
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-...te-tax/9443840

and then they went and endorsed Clive which i wouldnt trust him with his own money

[LG17]

The ALP had their chance to woo Clive and get his preferences but blew it.
It's not Clive who lost them the election, it's their own decisions.

[asagaai]

Originally Posted by wodahs

and yet this is why im currently having a distaste for the Libs and how they have been helping the big banks and big businesses at the taxpayers (which is commonly the average joe) expense , even when these companies pay so little to start with
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-...te-tax/9443840

and then they went and endorsed Clive which i wouldnt trust him with his own money

Yes- the government needs to re-consider tax depreciation write offs and multinationals avoiding tax.

But apparently enforcing that is in the too hard basket for the Labour party.

This was clear by their targeting easier targets - single employee/small business owners with higher income tax rates, and stripping money from retirees (franking and negative gearing/CGT scrapping), and devaluing home owners biggest asset through scrapping negative gearing/CGT from 50 to 25% concessions.

Simply, labour was taking money from easy pickings to "fund" their social programs.

I liked the quote Churchill gave about squeezing the limited pool of taxpayers for more and more (in Australia is what 35% of the populace are actually deriving income and paying the tax)

"Its like a person standing in a bucket of water and while standing in the bucket trying to pull it up above your head".

Or another one- do not kill the goose that lays the golden egg.

But yeah - Clive Palmer is a shocker.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There was a lot of arrogance from her and Tanya Plibersek, refusing to concede.

The ALP is in an interesting situation now, they've been pushing the gender equality wheelbarrow for a long time now, consistently taking pot shots about the lack of women in the LNP.

Tanya Plibersek is the deputy leader AND a woman, she is the next in line to become the leader of the ALP theoretically.

Are they going to make her the next leader and back their gender equality statements?

Or maybe Albo who is more popular with the public - but a bloke?

Sportsbets got the following for next ALP leader:

Albo - $1.33 - short odds
Plibersek - $3.40
Wong - $11!

I'm calling Plibersek because vagina (identity politics), they're too daft to realise their mistake.

They've been backed into a corner now, Albo's more popular from the average Joe/Josaphine but a bloke which would go against their gender driven identity politics agenda.

[burnz]

thank god it's over, I went to the extreme in installing adblocker on my computer..
god dam every ad from who's who on youtube..

[Franco Cozzo]

https://www.smh.com.au/federal-elect...18-p51oun.html

https://twitter.com/sportsbetcomau/s...57100841070592

For the lols at Sportsbet for the early payout for Labor win

But they have a sense of humour:

https://twitter.com/sportsbetcomau/s...51571863670785

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There was a lot of arrogance from her and Tanya Plibersek, refusing to concede.

The ALP is in an interesting situation now, they've been pushing the gender equality wheelbarrow for a long time now, consistently taking pot shots about the lack of women in the LNP.

Tanya Plibersek is the deputy leader AND a woman, she is the next in line to become the leader of the ALP theoretically.

Are they going to make her the next leader and back their gender equality statements?

Or maybe Albo who is more popular with the public - but a bloke?

after gillard was in, i question a woman's ability.

it will be interesting. i,m happy labour didn,t get in.

[GHOSTED]

There all corrupt and so is the voting system has been for a long time

[Pis-ton broke]

Originally Posted by asagaai

Yes- the government needs.............

yes ,yes. a cheap shot from bill, but clearly he has no original thought, is he scared of big companies.

i thought labour was for the working man, but cleary not here.

is labour socialist?

[ivorya]

Isn't it funny how we bag the leader but in fact, they might be different in 6mths time when polls are showing bad signs.
People forget that you vote for the team behind the face.

What i find interesting, in reflection of the result, when Shorten was head of the union, standing in front of the camera, trying to get ensure safe passage of those poor miners in that collapsed mine, how much community and media support he had (even murdochs rags . (Some right wingers would suggest that he was there for his own ego, maybe, i don't recall any Coalition member standing in support in a time of grief.)

It amazes me how quick people are to forget the good things and try to find holes, negatives. This happens in life all around though! It's such a pity!!

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

The reactions on social media are priceless
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/r...e459a284f008f5
You'd think the sky was falling, that's why I love social media because it's such an echo chamber of particular views that they talk themselves up and they all think things will fall a particular way.

"I'd bring you some of Alex Turnbull's tweets but his account has disappeared from Twitter."
No surprises there.

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

It would be marvellous if we all expressed our opinions so respectfully.

Lets hope we don't see the tactics used in Warringah again.

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

I wonder how much Clive helped the LNP over the line in QLD with his far-fetched scare tactics? And the poor bloke didn't even get a seat for his troubles

Antony Green calculated around $1500 a vote for the UAP from his $60M advertising.

Originally Posted by asagaai

But of course it was all Clive Palmer and his negative campaign that lost Labour the election

Yes, a convenient excuse as to why Labor went nowhere in QLD - a certain mine development kept to going through the hoops for 8 yrs had nothing to do with it.

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by ivorya

What i find interesting, in reflection of the result, when Shorten was head of the union, standing in front of the camera, trying to get ensure safe passage of those poor miners in that collapsed mine,

he was Far more concerned about raising His Public profile, In my opinion..

[LG17]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Isn't it funny how we bag the leader but in fact, they might be different in 6mths time when polls are showing bad signs.
People forget that you vote for the team behind the face.

What i find interesting, in reflection of the result, when Shorten was head of the union, standing in front of the camera, trying to get ensure safe passage of those poor miners in that collapsed mine, how much community and media support he had (even murdochs rags . (Some right wingers would suggest that he was there for his own ego, maybe, i don't recall any Coalition member standing in support in a time of grief.)

It amazes me how quick people are to forget the good things and try to find holes, negatives. This happens in life all around though! It's such a pity!!

To be honest, I think Beaconsfield was the apex of his career.

[roKWiz]

Ah, election over.
That's the high speed train off the agenda (dream list) for another 4 years.
Libs, Labour, all pollies, they're all in it to line their own pockets.

[naddis01]

Bill Shorten lost my vote years ago when he came up with this gem...

https://youtu.be/Kf4nlIEHfaU

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

I wonder how much Clive helped the LNP over the line in QLD with his far-fetched scare tactics? And the poor bloke didn't even get a seat for his troubles

Clive will have ScoMo on speed dial for the next four years. Giving him preferences will mean anything Clive want's , he'll get now...........

Bill Shorten was about as popular as Tony Abbott.

One thing in ScoMo's favour is no Turnbull, no Abbott in the background. We might actually get a Prime Minister that last's the full term..........

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

Clive will have ScoMo on speed dial for the next four years. Giving him preferences will mean anything Clive want's , he'll get now...........

Bill Shorten was about as popular as Tony Abbott.

One thing in ScoMo's favour is no Turnbull, no Abbott in the background. We might actually get a Prime Minister that last's the full term..........

There is one way this can be the trifecta for the LNP

They won the election - tick
Tony Abbott lost his seat - tick
They score majority government - awaiting results

They're now free of the influence that Tony Abbott held over the LNP.

If they score majority government they can end this Zali Steggal persons political career within a single term, because the Government won't need to put the feelers out for support in the senate, Zali is essentially powerless.

It doesn't matter if she stands for climate change and all other sorts of kittens, sunshine and rainbow feel good things, she literally will have no power to get anything changed and then the constituents within Warringah will turf her out and go back to the next candidate the LNP fields there.

Her political career will be remembered as assisting the LNP dispose of Tony Abbott's influence over their party - quite the useful idiot.

Ideally for me they end up with a minority government because theres an extra $200 in it for me if that occurs

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Bill Shorten lost my vote years ago when he came up with this gem...

https://youtu.be/Kf4nlIEHfaU

There is No I in Team......... Is there?

[hayseed]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

There is one way this can be the trifecta for the LNP

They won the election - tick
Tony Abbott lost his seat - tick
They score majority government - awaiting results

They're now free of the influence that Tony Abbott held over the LNP.

If they score majority government they can end this Zali Steggal persons political career within a single term, because the Government won't need to put the feelers out for support in the senate, Zali is essentially powerless.

It doesn't matter if she stands for climate change and all other sorts of kittens, sunshine and rainbow feel good things, she literally will have no power to get anything changed and then the constituents within Warringah will turf her out and go back to the next candidate the LNP fields there.

Her political career will be remembered as assisting the LNP dispose of Tony Abbott's influence over their party - quite the useful idiot.

Ideally for me they end up with a minority government because theres an extra $200 in it for me if that occurs

It looks Like Dr Keryn may be a; one hit wonder Too..!!!

[BA-XT]

I'm somewhat of a low income earner under (Sub $50k PA) an EBA and union member. I live in a strong labor area so naturally wanted Labor to win.... would have made bargaining much easier, still not sure if I would have ended up worse with labors stance on emissions and the environment....

However if I had been an investor, or had a couple of houses I just couldn't vote Labor. I can see why people stayed with the coalition. Shorten made it into a class debate and it seemed to backfire.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by Mr_BA2003

I'm somewhat of a low income earner under (Sub $50k PA) an EBA and union member. I live in a strong labor area so naturally wanted Labor to win.... would have made bargaining much easier, still not sure if I would have ended up worse with labors stance on emissions and the environment....

However if I had been an investor, or had a couple of houses I just couldn't vote Labor. I can see why people stayed with the coalition. Shorten made it into a class debate and it seemed to backfire.

^^ I was at a election party last night. The ages ranged from mid-40s to late 70s. It was in Glebe, Sydney, a progressive / Green stronghold.

There were no tears last night when the ALP went down - just quiet looks of relief, much the look you exchange when a drunk and argumentative family member finally leaves your dinner party and goes home. It was an unusual situation for me - no-one wanted to argue about the result.

I think this speaks volumes

ps - Summer Hill Primary still has a lot of work to do on the sausages (non-partisan comment )

[roddy1960]

There's a lot of negativity on Bill Shorten here . Maybe a little is true but not all.
He's not the Devil Incarnate ya know . That's Palmer's and Hanson's mobs IMO. It'll be a test of Mr Morrison's leadership when ol'Clive especially starts knocking on the PM's door to call in a few favours for the preferences that helped the LNP win at least a few marginal seats .

Let's see them not screw up the NDIS any more than it already is , look after the real Newstarter's a bit better and think long and hard about giving a lot of people a decent pay packet as they reckon they would . Oh yes and what about really doing some tough talking and decision making on climate change.

We'd all love to see that and would really vindicate their election in this next three years .

I hope they do a good job because it's too important not to .

[CoupeKing]

Maybe Labour should try and do what the Democrats did in America about 6 months ago - tried to push for the voting age to be lowered to 16!!! LMAO.