REAL Australian cars? - Page 3

big_landau · 25-07-2012, 04:02 PM

i thought the alloy head was designed by honda?

Olbucko · 25-07-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by big_landau

i thought the alloy head was designed by honda?

I think is was designed by Ford with some input from Honda. The rough castings were made by Honda, the final machining was done by Ford back in Aust.

SpoolMan · 25-07-2012, 04:31 PM

In the top 10 of Australia's best ever Inventions The Ute.
http://www.fastlane.com.au/Features/First_ute.htm
http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/01/au...tions-the-ute/

2011G6E · 25-07-2012, 04:44 PM

The 48/215 wasn't a "Chev"...it was designed by Holden, along with GM head office in the USA, as any completely new model back then would have done.

Come down to it, there's no such thing as a "100% dinky di Aussie car"...dig around your FG Falcon or VE Commodore and you'll find plenty of bits made overseas, but when push comes to shove, they're both the product of an American company.

Valiants would come close, once they stopped using American designs. The VH was fully Australian as the six cylinder hemi engine wasn't used in Yank stuff. The slant six in earlier Valiants was used overseas however.
All Ford sixes and eights until recent years were either identical to or based on Yank engines.

Probably the most fully Australian engines would be the Holden V8's like the 253 and 308. You'd have to add in the good old red six cylinder motor as well.

big_landau · 25-07-2012, 04:50 PM

yeah i think the vh val had the most australian content of the time.this is why the e38 only got the aussie made 3 speed because no aussie manufacturer made a 4 speed.they had very good 4 speeds in the usa but they refused to use them because they wanted the most australian race car to race at bathurst etc.a knoble thing to do but the public didnt gave a rats.

Nikked · 25-07-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

The 48/215 wasn't a "Chev"...it was designed by Holden, along with GM head office in the USA, as any completely new model back then would have done.
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Based from a 1938 chev concept...and Australia's design was regected...

big_landau · 25-07-2012, 04:57 PM

with the falcon i would hate to say but wouldnt the ea have to be close?xa gt's etc had american running gear,au also had a windsor motor in some models but the ea now where else in the world was the 3.9 throttle body injected motor put into a car or the mpi 3.9 for that matter?

Till_Lind · 25-07-2012, 05:30 PM

E series has quite a few parts from Ford Mexico in them. Brake light switch, cruise control module, heater tap, etc.

Bossxr8 · 25-07-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by big_landau

i thought the alloy head was designed by honda?

Honda just did the castings until Ford's aluminium casting plant was up and running a year or 2 later.

Fiesta_Man69 · 25-07-2012, 06:14 PM

Truth... No car. All "Australian" cars have been a rip off of Mustangs, Chevys, Opels and Vauxhalls. Now the most successful "Australian" car comes from Korea. Hard truth.

302 XC · 25-07-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by crymoarpls

chev badges on commodores always make me laugh. i thought holdens don't usually have 'chev' v8s in them, with all engines made by gm powertrain. didn't think there had been a 'chev' engine since about 1990.

I dont get all the chev badge hating .....
When i was a wee fella chev badges used to adorn HQs and the likes
Wasnt the last holden V8 as such the 5L ???
Pritty sure ol mate Larry Perkins won bathurst with the only holden V8 in the race the rest were, wait for it, chev powered

Nikked · 25-07-2012, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fiesta_Man69

Truth... No car. All "Australian" cars have been a rip off of Mustangs, Chevys, Opels and Vauxhalls. Now the most successful "Australian" car comes from Korea. Hard truth.

So far of the mark, you shot for the moon but hit mars instead.

Nikked · 25-07-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crymoarpls

didn't think there had been a 'chev' engine since about 1990.

1973?

mr smith · 25-07-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

One that has been developing for many years, The Joss Supercar Australian built and designed, after many years of development this car is going into production, presented by a guy who many of us know Glenn Everitt former owner of G&D Performance.

Video from the motor show
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OLBFwuvPas
Website
http://www.joss.com.au/home.html
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Matt Thomas is a real top guy. I hope he gets the results he and his team deserve with this project.

mr smith · 25-07-2012, 08:38 PM

First Aussie car would be the Tarrant. But I would put the XA as the best known. Yea, a few styling cues from the US but a real Aussie.

xrystl · 25-07-2012, 08:54 PM

Wasn't the "Blackwood project" all Australian ? , pretty sure everything on that was designed here in Australia except for the engines which were carried over from the previous model.

buickman · 25-07-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xrystl

Wasn't the "Blackwood project" all Australian ? , pretty sure everything on that was designed here in Australia except for the engines which were carried over from the previous model.

The Blackwood project was the XD Falcon but that had a lot of Ford Granada ideas into it from Europe with the Aussie X/Flow head on the the US designed block. The XA Ford would be the !st Falcon with mainly Aussie input.

xr gr8 · 25-07-2012, 09:14 PM

I was always led to believe the LH/LX Torana was an all Aussie job.....or not?

PlukaDuck · 25-07-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

Not talking BS, just curious.
Has there ever been an all-Australian car?

THE PAVLOVA.......? Hang on didnt you kiwis invent that too

Yes and here it is.......

nstg8a · 25-07-2012, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by xr gr8

I was always led to believe the LH/LX Torana was an all Aussie job.....or not?

ive certainly never seen anything comparable from gm in any other markets.

in_xcess · 25-07-2012, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lilmattie

Where did you get those images from? (interested to know).

I may be mistaken, and I'm happy to be proven wrong but I read an article that was posted on here recently, that goes into detail where the design for the XA came from. I tried to locate it and link to it, but I couldn't find it.

The summary was that an Australian design team flew over to the US to work with US designers on the new XA Falcon. The Australian team successfully rejected the American design and was told to provide a design within a certain number of months, which is what they did.

If that's true, then although it incorprorates attributes that were driven by US design - the XA Falcon was designed by Australians, produced in Australia and thus in my mind: is the REAL Australian car!

I found the supposed '68 Maverick images and a bit of info here:

http://www.aus-ford-uk.co.uk/html/st...-_bonnets.html

It's far from conclusive and I'm also happy to be proven wrong that it is what it says.

The images appear to have the 1968 date in evidence of what is a full scale clay model but images aren't clear enough to establish if it says Maverick or Falcon anywhere.

The author of aus-ford-uk site may be able to clarify where he got the image and info.

As I said when I posted the image I was gutted to learn that the XA may not have been as Aussie as we thought. Did we have it pushed on us by Dearborn after they rejected it as the Maverick? Another $ saving exercise perhaps. Or was it a Ford Aust/U.S. co-design as reported and therefore attributing the XA to the '68 Maverick concept may have been a rouse to help hide its true purpose?

Certainly when one looks at the Maverick (predominantly a two-door for the South American and Canadian markets) from this era it bears absolutely no resemblance to the '68 concept. However, it's interesting to note that it (the Maverick) evolved from the early U.S. Falcon as did the Mustang and our Falcons. This platform certainly spawned many a Ford for markets all around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ma...North_America)

Whatever the true story, I think it's a case of either "don't tell me God, Santa, Jedediah Springfield and the XA aren't real" or "I know it ain't so but I can't deal with it". For me it's the latter. I guess the xk to xc Falcons are yank 'born' to a point but we made them our own and in doing so made them better. When we got the P41 from the Yanks in WWII we made it our own, toughened it up, rearmed it and managed to defend PNG with it at a crucial time. Birtles took the Bean and crisscrossed Australia with it after a few Aussie touches and as a result, drove into legend. Pay homage to it at the NMA when you're next in Canberra.

http://www.nma.gov.au/collections/hi...owner_bean_car

An interesting thread this one overall with many a tangent being explored.

Nikked · 25-07-2012, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

ive certainly never seen anything comparable from gm in any other markets.

Chevy Vega and Vauxhall Cavalier...

I was sorting through some Hot Wheels at K-mart and thought i found a Torana Hatch...it was a Vega instead

PlukaDuck · 25-07-2012, 09:53 PM

I believe the cl and cm model chargers where 100% australian made.

nstg8a · 25-07-2012, 09:54 PM

cavalier is just a hi spec chevette isnt it?

vega certainly has some similarities especially the glass/turret

foxtrot3 · 25-07-2012, 09:54 PM

Hi.

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

ive certainly never seen anything comparable from gm in any other markets.

This has to be close for a holden

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Cant get more Australian made than "MADE IN DANDENONG"

The purvis eureka was a failed english kit car called a nova

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

Rover engine

The p76 V8 was redesigned and made bigger for the new car
and a couple more
the Hartnett ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartnett_(car) )
the Buckle ( http://www.carpartsandmore.com.au/buckle/bill01.htm )
The range of bolwells ( http://www.bolwellcarclub.com.au/models.html ) and ( http://www.bolwellcarcompany.com/ )
Cheers MD
And I almost forgot the stillborn Ilinga ( http://museumvictoria.com.au/collect...linga-af2-1975 )

PlukaDuck · 25-07-2012, 10:02 PM

HERE IT IS.

THE SKELTA.......100% OZZIE OZZIE OZZIE.......OY OY OY.

NOW SHOW US YOUR 100% KIWI CAR

68xt · 25-07-2012, 10:18 PM

Doesnt that run a TVR chassis?

What about Elfin cars, made in Adelaide

Also I thought that Valiants were designed and made in Australia

buickman · 25-07-2012, 10:26 PM

[QUOTE=PlukaDuck]I believe the cl and cm model chargers where 100% australian made.

So were the 6cyl Hemi engines in them. I could be wrong but the VH on Aussie Valiant’s are unique to Australia only.

foxtrot3 · 25-07-2012, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 68xt

Doesnt that run a TVR chassis?

What about Elfin cars, made in Adelaide

Also I thought that Valiants were designed and made in Australia

Hi. Is that the same Elfin cars that used to be in braeside (Vic) and is now in Centre rd Clayton (Vic) (Next door to HSV) And the holden connection goes deeper than the motors with the streamliner having a big bit of its design work by Mike Simcoe who played a big part in the last of the monaros

Neale · 25-07-2012, 11:27 PM

my 2c