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21-02-2013, 12:45 PM | #61 | |||
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Incidentally, Western Australia has recently reverted the name of it's 'Police Service' to 'Police Force' after many years...I think they're onto something there...
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21-02-2013, 12:55 PM | #62 | ||
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Road Warrior..true, split the service into Police Force for dealing with crims and the Revenue Raising Service for those who operate speed cameras??
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21-02-2013, 01:06 PM | #63 | ||||
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Roads should be built by the government and stay in public hands, simple as that. I also avoid toll roads when possible, especially ones littered with speed cameras. Stuff ‘em.
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21-02-2013, 01:13 PM | #64 | |||
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21-02-2013, 01:37 PM | #65 | |||
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I hate to state the bleeding obvious, but I’m pretty sure that Flappist was taking the “urine” with the comment.
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21-02-2013, 01:39 PM | #66 | ||
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Tolls,tunnels are revenue raising at its best look at the old gate way toll I think the toll paid for the bridge a few times over.
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21-02-2013, 02:16 PM | #67 | ||
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Of course it's revenue raising, Tolls by name, Tolls by nature.
No one is forcing anyone to use these toll roads. I don't understand what the fuss is about.
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21-02-2013, 03:38 PM | #68 | |||
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Driving to the sunshine coast avoiding tolls ha ha no thanks. |
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21-02-2013, 03:44 PM | #69 | |||
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it seems a popular label with negative connotations like the term 'nanny state' has recently become so people use it w/out much thought I blame the Daily Telegraph |
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21-02-2013, 03:47 PM | #70 | ||
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Only been in SE Qld for 5 years and never had a reason to travel further south than Bris Airport.....so never had to pay a toll......
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22-02-2013, 09:18 AM | #71 | |||
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This is just in Brisbane and what I can think of from the top of my head, but the Story Bridge in Brisbane had tolls when it was first opened and so too did the old Hornibrook Bridge in Redcliffe (I'm talking about the old old one). Tolls aren't a new thing.
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22-02-2013, 09:28 AM | #72 | |||
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so is it bad road (tolls) or bad management that have caused the company to declare bankrupt?
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22-02-2013, 09:46 AM | #73 | |||
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It is easily fixed. A SEQ tunnel rego levy where anyone who lives within 200km of Brisbane pays an extra $100 per year, per vehicle registration to pay for the tunnels. In addition all speed camera fines below 20km/h over any limit and those issued in any 10 minute period after a limit is lowered would go to pay for the tunnel as well completely bypassing the state government so would no longer be a revenue stream. Or how about just add $100 to every Energex bill so those who benefit the most from them pay for them. The tunnels would then be free and used by many for the good of all in Brisbane. |
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22-02-2013, 10:29 AM | #74 | |||
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If this ever happened I know for one I wouldn't be happy, I only go past Coomera A handful of times a year so why would people such as myself want to pay an extra $100 on top of car rego as a Tunnel levy ? Qld rego's are ridiculous as it is. Brisbane's rubbish to drive around at the best of times.. and Flappist you said "Why put a small hole in one big hole..'' Obviosuly you don't like the Goldcoast. But there are no tolls here and its hard waking up 5 minutes from Burleigh beach every morning... Yep love it. Last edited by flappist; 22-02-2013 at 11:46 AM. Reason: fixed quote |
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22-02-2013, 11:52 AM | #75 | |||
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Apart from that, what is your explanation as to why when you leave GC going to any other part of QLD you have to go up hill.......... |
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22-02-2013, 12:59 PM | #76 | ||
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My 10 speed repco bike with ford badges takes to long to ride to Bris.
Plus I can't afford the tolls as peanuts and monopoly money isn't legal tender in Qld. |
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22-02-2013, 10:03 PM | #77 | |||
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A consultancy to Gov. is your hidden forte. Get in contact with your nearest lobbyist A.S.A.P . $1500 bucks an hour , 1 hour a day laughing . They might even offer you a DGs position and then you could give em all the finger while driving through the speed cameras and tell em your chauffer did it ! |
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22-02-2013, 10:25 PM | #78 | |||
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22-02-2013, 10:56 PM | #79 | ||
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Geez you are showing your age now mate ,I cant even recall the story bridge having tolls but im thinking you are right about the Redcliff one ,Hornibrock was the construction company that built it and put the money up to build it . As far as the gold coast goes the ASRF are having their nationals at parklands at easter ,how are the rods going to get anywhere with the roads gridlocked has got me beat ,they need some tunnels there for sure ,then again they have just solved the traffic problems by putting a light rail down the middle of the road so i guess it will be like Brisbane years ago when they had the trams ,every time the train stops to let people off the traffic stops ,that will fix the traffic flow ,NOT
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23-02-2013, 12:12 AM | #81 | ||
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One of the biggest issues with bloody toll roads is that they assume everyone who uses them lives in the capital city they are located in...
We were going down to the Gold Coast for the big hot rod do last year, we found ourselves on the toll motorway across the Gateway bridge. I was following the son-in-law and our daughter, and suddenly realised that we couldn't pay the toll because, in their infinite wisdom, they ignored the fact that people live outside Brisbane. There's no option for actual physical money either..."simply buy a pass"...yeah...well where the hell do I do that you morons? We live in the country where the roads are badly funded and neglected so don't need tolls...not a lot gets spent on them... Anyway, we got a notice a couple of weeks later, saying we owed the toll plus a fine if we didn't pay it within a certain time period. The letter arrived after the time period, and when I rang the number to pay it, the woman couldn't believe the letter had taken so long to arrive...she almost sounded amazed that anyone would bother to live outside Brisbane..."You're where?", as if 170km inland from Rockhampton was the dark side of the Moon... There is a list online of the service stations outside Brisbane where you can buy the electronic pass things (which have a whole other lot of problems you have to watch out for, such as not letting it automatically "top itself up" from your bank account), but the one listed nearest us...I think the roadhouse on the highway down at Mount Larcom...had no idea what we were talking about when we enquired about buying one. Toll roads are a disaster and completely unnecessary when you consider the taxes and charges we pay through rego and fuel and fines. They're more bother than they're worth, the public knows they're being ripped off and refuse to use them, and people have a healthy disrespect for lying politicians who claim "someone has to pay for the roads" (yes...we do already...), and we feel we pay enough for the privelage of driving already. |
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23-02-2013, 01:02 AM | #82 | ||
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The biggest problem is they give you 3 days to pay !!!! most accounts are 7 days plus.
So, if you are travelling, you get the account after you get home and way past the 3 days. You get the toll and a fine plus charges etc !!!!!!!!! I have an etoll tag..which I take to Briz...but still get charged $25 a quarter for "maintenance" !!!! these tunnels are a rip off..
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23-02-2013, 08:08 AM | #83 | |||
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Guys I work with here who have the electronic tags were full of reassuring advice if I did want to buy one, as I said, making damn sure it doesn't automatically top it up from your bank account all the time as it runs out (even if you aren't using it), and if you don't live in Brisbane, attempt to pay for it while you are down there visiting, and not wait for the notice. |
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23-02-2013, 11:15 AM | #84 | ||
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My beef is not about the tolls, I believe we need to pay for good roads, what I do object to is the government
falsely claiming that SPEED CAMERAS are for ROAD SAFETY when they are clearly positioned for REVENUE. The failure of both tunnels falls squarely on the shoulders of government and the bureaucrat who thought that selling the debts for the tunnels to toll operators and then putting 16 speed cameras there was good business...that person should be shown the door. Last edited by jpd80; 23-02-2013 at 11:27 AM. |
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23-02-2013, 04:55 PM | #85 | |||
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Not to mention the plethora of clearly marked signs stating the phone number to call and the time frame to pay the toll.
Just can't please everyone it seems.
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26-02-2013, 09:14 PM | #87 | ||
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On our first trip to Melb. maybe 12 yrs ago we wanted to see the Great Ocean Rd so hired a car pickup at airport and return . From memory at the time of booking you were warned that certain roads would incur a toll while travelling around Melb. So we did some research and worked out how to avoid em' . As most of the MAJOR routes through Brisbane have been tolled for years it only takes a bit of a search to find out when your about to get hit or how to avoid them .
One thing I miss about the old toll booths on the Gateway was the psuedo drag strip northbound (uphill) where you could give it straight out of the gates so to speak . $1.80 for redline adreline yoo hoo . |
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