Aussie Mondeo specs announced - Page 3

OZQUAD44 · 07-12-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DRU842

The facts are the Mondeo has only ever been to Ford Australia in limited numbers, less than 500 per month at best and way below 200 per month on average. Falcon dealer margins have always been much higher than on imported models and that's before what can come back to the actual sales person.

They have only been sold in limited numbers due to demand, despite fords efforts to promote them otherwise. Why would a company import more cars that it could move?

Dealer margins are only higher on the falcon when the Aussie dollar is weak. This has not been the case for a long time. This may change now that the Aussie dollar is tanking, but the Aussie dollar had been strong for years, so your point would be more accurate 15 years ago. Not since 2010 at the very least.

To add to this, the wonderful media in this country have always loved to sprout about how no one pays retail for a Falcon, so the concept that a falcon is a juicer proposition to sell over a Mondeo is not correct unless your comparing the Mondeo to limited edition FPV's.

As I said before I'm not saying the Mondeo is a bad bus, it's just not in the same market as a falcon, and given that Aussies have been weened on falcons it always had a fight on its hands to make a name for itself in this country.

As ford has identified, the real competitor for the Mondeo is the Camry. Now if anyone ever sees me in a dealership weighing up the pros and cons of a Camry verses a Mondeo, please put me out of my misery.

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Sprintey · 07-12-2014, 04:35 PM

Imagine the sales figures in the segment if Camry actually had a wagon...

Focused · 07-12-2014, 05:30 PM

It'll be interesting to see how the dynamic of the medium-sized-sedan-segment goes when local production of the Camry stops. I wonder where they'll import if from and will they continue selling the Aurion as a separate model?

Focused · 07-12-2014, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Imagine the sales figures in the segment if Camry actually had a wagon...

I doubt it would change a whole lot. People wanting a medium sized wagon are going for medium sized SUVs. Perfect example being the Falcon wagon and the Territory.

csv8 · 07-12-2014, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

I doubt it would change a whole lot. People wanting a medium sized wagon are going for medium sized SUVs. Perfect example being the Falcon wagon and the Territory.

Commy wagon selling well, get it in 4 spec levels and choice 3 engines, build it and they will come....

Sprintey · 07-12-2014, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Commy wagon selling well, get it in 4 spec levels and choice 3 engines, build it and they will come....

Yep.

Mazda 6 has an interesting strategy with its sedan/wagon: they are on different wheelbases I think, sedan set for more comfy ride while wagon is the more sporty 'Euro' handler.

XR Martin · 07-12-2014, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

People want tech..if Titanium is priced close to FGX G6E..G6E won't sell,,no matter how good it is..It won't be perceived as value for money.....Ford have a problem....

People want tech eh? How exactly does that explain the Camry on top then?

csv8 · 07-12-2014, 10:47 PM

Camry sells on Toyota advertising, perceived quality and reliability..When two cars are similar priced the better equipped will sell..

danzvtil · 08-12-2014, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprintey

Imagine the sales figures in the segment if Camry actually had a wagon...

They do, its called RAV4.

There will be little change to camry volumes once they become fully imported, they will drive the same, feel the same, fleet managers and accountants the country over will rejoice in what a risk free purchase they (continue) to be.

Homer · 08-12-2014, 01:14 AM

Is the SelectShift auto on the Ecoboost engines a dual clutch or conventional auto?

Joe5619 · 08-12-2014, 09:51 AM

Why no manual?? Even if it was "to order" only would be good!!

Focused · 08-12-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Commy wagon selling well, get it in 4 spec levels and choice 3 engines, build it and they will come....

Does it sell well? I'm not under the impression that it does.

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Why no manual?? Even if it was "to order" only would be good!!

As it's been discussed to death, no one wants manuals*.

*Well there's a few enthusiasts but none of them are buying new large cars. They'll come to accept it, as they did after the initial outrage that there was no manual Territory back in 2004.

MickyB · 08-12-2014, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Homer

Is the SelectShift auto on the Ecoboost engines a dual clutch or conventional auto?

I believe Ecoboost has conventional torque converter auto and the diesel has a dual clutch. I'm not sure if that has been confirmed in an official Ford press release yet.

Joe5619 · 08-12-2014, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Focused

Does it sell well? I'm not under the impression that it does.

As it's been discussed to death, no one wants manuals*.

*Well there's a few enthusiasts but none of them are buying new large cars. They'll come to accept it, as they did after the initial outrage that there was no manual Territory back in 2004.

Territory required Ford to spend money to develop it. Manual Mondeo just requires Ford to open the order book... Like I said, make it just to order so if someone wants one they have to wait. I would consider one of these to replace my Falcon, but no manual means it isn’t even on the list.

mik · 08-12-2014, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

People want tech eh? How exactly does that explain the Camry on top then?

well it may not have all the you beaut up to the minute trendy stuff, but as rule what it has works and keeps working, and this has for the most part been a toyota strength, no super duper flashy wizz bang gearboxes that can change in a split second and 2 weeks later be in the workshop for 2 weeks, toyota stays with the proven stuff that keeps working.
people may call them white goods , but it beats walking or catching a taxi when the trendys fail..

**Polyal** · 08-12-2014, 01:56 PM

The camry seems to get updated alot which keeps it fresh too...dont know if thats 100% accurate just my perception.

**Polyal** · 08-12-2014, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Territory required Ford to spend money to develop it. Manual Mondeo just requires Ford to open the order book... Like I said, make it just to order so if someone wants one they have to wait. I would consider one of these to replace my Falcon, but no manual means it isn’t even on the list.

Megane GT220 is a nice ride BTW. Not as practical as a Mondeo though.

**Polyal** · 08-12-2014, 02:32 PM

It would also be an issue for Ford to stock spares, although there are plenty of brands who take forever with spare parts sometimes so Im not 100% on the legality of that.

XtRmn8 · 08-12-2014, 04:22 PM

Mondeo Titanium wagon. WOW!

**DJM83** · 08-12-2014, 04:53 PM

God that looks good

**Fordman1** · 08-12-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by XtRmn8

Mondeo Titanium wagon. WOW!

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I'll have one in Pearlescent White please !

XtRmn8 · 08-12-2014, 07:06 PM

How good does it look! This thing should fly out the door based on looks alone.

rst2000 · 08-12-2014, 07:23 PM

looks like the old BBS wheel have been rehashed....

Wretched · 08-12-2014, 08:14 PM

oh hello there you fine looking machine

Binny · 08-12-2014, 08:22 PM

Love it!
Give me one of those as a family car over an SUV any day.

nstg8a · 08-12-2014, 08:47 PM

Doesn't come as a LPG 4.0 rwd... It will never sell.

**Polyal** · 08-12-2014, 09:32 PM

Any word on the ST? There's your manual option.

Focused · 09-12-2014, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe5619

Territory required Ford to spend money to develop it. Manual Mondeo just requires Ford to open the order book... Like I said, make it just to order so if someone wants one they have to wait. I would consider one of these to replace my Falcon, but no manual means it isn’t even on the list.

It's more complicated than that. They'll need to provide spare parts and train their techs how to deal with it. And all for 5 sales per annum? Not worth it.

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Any word on the ST? There's your manual option.

Don't make too many assumptions. There's no manual AMGs, for example. No doubt there's a possibility, but I wouldn't take it for granted. Back in 2002, I'm sure most FPVs were manual but these days the ratio has reversed.

Focused · 09-12-2014, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by XtRmn8

Mondeo Titanium wagon. WOW!

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That looks fantastic. If you stuck a Falcon badge on it, and just told people it was RWD (frankly who notices these days...), the Falcon fan boys on here would be drooling. Alas it's amazing how a small badge on the back of the car and some hidden drivetrain components can somehow completely change the look of a car...

Franco Cozzo · 09-12-2014, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Focused

It's more complicated than that. They'll need to provide spare parts and train their techs how to deal with it. And all for 5 sales per annum? Not worth it.

Don't make too many assumptions. There's no manual AMGs, for example. No doubt there's a possibility, but I wouldn't take it for granted. Back in 2002, I'm sure most FPVs were manual but these days the ratio has reversed.

Anything with an ST badge only comes in manual, so lets hope there is a Mondeo ST, would be a good fit into our market when we lose Falcon.

Chuck the 2.3L Ecoboost engine in there, 6sp manual, BOOYAH!