Schapelle Corby.

[LuvinmyEB]

Originally Posted by Olympus

Aussie green ain't THAT good, I doubt Indonesian dope would be worse. :

Ask any smoker if Aussie is better, they'll tell you that it isn't.

[JADED6]

Originally Posted by Feathers

Exactly!!
Her thinking would have been "I don't look dodgy, they'll never suspect me, I'm too pretty"

Appearances count for nothing.

How do you know what she was thinking Gerardine?
Sounds like you have a disliking for her, Know her or something?

I think she's innocent... Corrupt law men over there means the whole system cannot be trusted.

[flappist]

A few minor observations:

1) Drug dealers sell drugs for only ONE reason, to make a PROFIT, that is, have more money afterward than before. Drugs are far more expensive in Australia than Bali so only an idiot (or public servant) would think that you could run a sucessfull business by selling something for less than you paid for it.
2) Many seem to make the statement "you should be able to tell if your bag was 4 kg heavier". You are assuming she actually got to grab the bag at the incoming airport. She checks bag in at counter, bag is weighed (and that computer record has be "lost"), she does nor see it again until Bali, when shazam!, 40 bazillion smelly little men with lots of medals and BIG guns rush her off to a cell.
3) The girl worked her **** off in several jobs saving up to pay for this "holiday". A week in Bali costs less than $1000. Not much compared to the price of the drugs.

[smoo]

Originally Posted by flappist

A few minor observations:

1) Drug dealers sell drugs for only ONE reason, to make a PROFIT, that is, have more money afterward than before. Drugs are far more expensive in Australia than Bali so only an idiot (or public servant) would think that you could run a sucessfull business by selling something for less than you paid for it.
2) Many seem to make the statement "you should be able to tell if your bag was 4 kg heavier". You are assuming she actually got to grab the bag at the incoming airport. She checks bag in at counter, bag is weighed (and that computer record has be "lost"), she does nor see it again until Bali, when shazam!, 40 bazillion smelly little men with lots of medals and BIG guns rush her off to a cell.
3) The girl worked her **** off in several jobs saving up to pay for this "holiday". A week in Bali costs less than $1000. Not much compared to the price of the drugs.

And the fact that security footage of the baggage handlers was lost at the airports, so I heard.

I'm ****ed if the 9 arrested are 'Australian'

[Steffo]

I think Schapelle Corby is innocent. I also think Australia should do something about it, and get her out of there. We are more then capable of it. Wow, just tell the Indonesians, if you don't let her go, we will halt all humanitarian aid, we will withdraw all our people cleaning up the mess that the Earthquake and big wave left in your craphole and we will halt all trade between us and you, and ban all your produce from ever making it into or being sold in Australia, or an Australian territory.

I wonder how quickly they'd have her on a plane back to here?

As for those other 9 kids... well, I've got mixed views on them. If they were forced and manipulated into it, let them go. If they weren't.. shoot them, or keep thim in prison for life. Don't make an example of an innocent person though.

Seriously though.. do they have any evidence on Schapelle. Has she ever been busted for anything before? Is her DNA on the bag, or on the marijuana. etc etc

That case would've been thrown out of an Australian court long ago, there's not enough evidence there to even begin to fathom a simple court hearing, let alone life in prison.

I've never understood why people go on holidays to places like that. That's just asking for trouble. Personally, the only place I'd ever want to visit in Asia is Japan.

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by Olympus

Aussie green ain't THAT good, I doubt Indonesian dope would be worse. :

Only a South Australian would say that!

[svo347]

Originally Posted by LuvinmyEB

Ask any smoker if Aussie is better, they'll tell you that it isn't.

Sure ive been to thailand , even indulged in a hazy pastime, & ill agree the thai budda really blows holes in your head.
But having smoked as a young male in his 20's i have had some good Aussie quality , rip your head off gear.....
Dunno what you guys are smoking

[LuvinmyEB]

Originally Posted by svo347

Sure ive been to thailand , even indulged in a hazy pastime, & ill agree the thai budda really blows holes in your head.
But having smoked as a young male in his 20's i have had some good Aussie quality , rip your head off gear.....
Dunno what you guys are smoking

I don't smoke dope, and can we please not turn this into a which country/state has better weed debate? That was not the intention of this thread.

[kiwikid]

no matter what you are smoking it is all bad..

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Steffo

As for those other 9 kids... well, I've got mixed views on them. If they were forced and manipulated into it, let them go.

sorry but i cant agree with that. manipulated or not they KNEW what they were doing, the knew the risk and they knew the penalty if they got caught.
no one can say that they had no choice because if you really didnt want to do something you would find a way out of it, whether it being escaping from them, ditching the drugs, or whatever.
letting them go is just going to open the door for any other dead shit that gets caught doing the same thing or similar.

"oh sorry your Honour for smuggling drugs but i had no choice as i was forced to do it by this big scary guy. he said he'd kill me if i didnt"

"Son, this isnt Kindergarten, its a court of Law, and the Law says you will be killed if you do it. now how do you feel?"

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by davway

sorry but i cant agree with that. manipulated or not they KNEW what they were doing, the knew the risk and they knew the penalty if they got caught.
no one can say that they had no choice because if you really didnt want to do something you would find a way out of it, whether it being escaping from them, ditching the drugs, or whatever.
letting them go is just going to open the door for any other dead shit that gets caught doing the same thing or similar.

"oh sorry your Honour for smuggling drugs but i had no choice as i was forced to do it by this big scary guy. he said he'd kill me if i didnt"

"Son, this isnt Kindergarten, its a court of Law, and the Law says you will be killed if you do it. now how do you feel?"

So tell me. If a bloke came to you one day and told you that he will kill you and your family (and showed you their photos) if you didn't go overseas with drugs tied to you, what would you do? How can you be sure something along the lines of that didn't happen to them? They could've easily been conned into going, not knowing they would be expected to bring drugs back or what have you, and then been forced into doing something they would rather not do.

Schapelle is a different story though... 4.2kg of marijuana would NOT pass through Sydney AND Brisbane undetected, and then be found by Indonesia with their inferior-to-Australia's facilities and detection capabilities.

That being said, I don't think neither you nor I are well informed enough to pass judgement on any of them.. but Schapelle's case does reak of extreme BS.

[svo347]

Originally Posted by Steffo

So tell me. If a bloke came to you one day and told you that he will kill you and your family (and showed you their photos) if you didn't go overseas with drugs tied to you, what would you do? How can you be sure something along the lines of that didn't happen to them? They could've easily been conned into going, not knowing they would be expected to bring drugs back or what have you, and then been forced into doing something they would rather not do.

Schapelle is a different story though... 4.2kg of marijuana would NOT pass through Sydney AND Brisbane undetected, and then be found by Indonesia with their inferior-to-Australia's facilities and detection capabilities.

That being said, I don't think neither you nor I are well informed enough to pass judgement on any of them.. but Schapelle's case does reak of extreme BS.

Sorry Steffo but..........
They agreed to be mules no otherway around it.
It was stated that once in the hotel room, where they got busted, they came out with this story of if we didnt our families are in strife.
That maybe rough mate, but if they had refused to go overseas then none of this would have happened.
The pics were shown once they were in Indo..

[SpoolMan]

I cannot understand why someone would take 4kilos of hoochy weed into a country that’s full of hooch.
It can be bought there for a few bucks...
It don’t make sense, I say she is incessant..

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by svo347

Sorry Steffo but..........
They agreed to be mules no otherway around it.
It was stated that once in the hotel room, where they got busted, they came out with this story of if we didnt our families are in strife.
That maybe rough mate, but if they had refused to go overseas then none of this would have happened.
The pics were shown once they were in Indo..

Could always be a story to get out of it too. Don't know enough about them to say so, but whatever - if you're stupid enough to think you can take drugs to another country.... you reap what you sew as they say.

[MO]

As for the Corby girl I don't know but something is just not kocher about her whole case.
As for the Bali nine get real they were caught redhanded,no matter what the reason they had a choice and they chose the wrong one.
If there was a threat of violence against their kith and kin they could have gone to the cops and had things sorted.
IMO the Bali nine deserve everthing they get and if that means a firing squad then so be it,they are not the first Ozzies to be executed by the Indonesians nor will they be the last.

Originally Posted by LuvinmyEB

I don't smoke dope, and can we please not turn this into a which country/state has better weed debate? That was not the intention of this thread.

I thoroughly agree. The poor girl is sitting over there with no quality of life and (some) people are debating who has the best weed!

Back on track friends...

[kiwikid]

i had a friend how decided to smoke alittle weed, alittle turned into alot and he became very heavily into it and it took over. one day it got to much for him and he decided to commit suicide almost 2 years ago now - well 1 year, 11 months, 3 weeks and 1 day ago. having first hand seen how that crap can ruin peoples life, (not just the user but there familes and friends, my life and alot of other close friends and family to him havnt been the same since....)

i believe that schapelle is innocent and sadly it will most likely ruin her life aswell... and australia should be stepping in and doing what we can to stop this injustice!

i also believe there should be more of a punishment for it here in oz than the slap on the rist that exists now.. but i wouldnt go as far as saying people should be put in front of a firing squad and a life sentencesaved for extream cases... for ****s sake enough good honest innocent people have died from the reprecussions already!

[Cheahman]

I believe deep down she is innocent, you can tell by the way she looks and has acted.

I dont agree that people should be put to death though for drugs smuggling etc but I believe they should be locked up until the day they die!. I think drugs are a HUGE reason why the world is turning into such a bad place, something needs to seriously been done to stamp it out and this poor girl I believe is just being made an example off.

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

After a fair bit of thought, I think she is innocent. Main reasons being that I doubt that it would be easy to smuggle over 4 kg of weed out of Australia without making at least some effort to hide it better, not to mention covering the smell. Combine that with the reputation that the authorities have over there for corruption, and I find it hard to rule out the possability that she is innocent.

At the end of the day, she is the ONLY person who KNOWS if she is guilty or innocent. We can all guess, based on what we have been told by the media, combined with our own opinions and experiences, but at the end of the day, that's all any of us can do, make a (semi-informed, seeing as I doubt any of us were there or know any of the people involved personally) guess.

I know it has reminded me of how lucky I am to live in Australia...

[bindi]

Originally Posted by XA Coupsta

I'm also disappointed that her case is getting so much attention - when im sure plenty of other innocent people are behind bars too under questionable circumstances.

I also am seeing some real harshness towards the other nine...

Seems that a lot of views on their position is that 'they knew what they were doing, full wraith of the law', etc. And I dont believe that to be a fair judgment. I also agree that the death penalty in any case of smuggling is not appropriate. More so with this case of 9. So executing a bunch of drug mules is going to do what in the battle against drug importation? Nothing. The guys running it dont care if the people they recruit die - they care about getting their gear imported and making huge wads of cash.

Even though I don't agree with you saying Shapelle's guilty, I agree with the comments made above. I am sure there are other innocent ppl behind bars who have not had their fair trial.

I can't believe they put cameras in the court rooms, and the judge went on Seven News FFS!

The other 9, I feel bad for them for sure. Drug mules being executed is not going to change anything, ppl are still gonna do it. And ppl here are just saying "yeah kill them", pretty sad really.

Originally Posted by Steffo

I think Schapelle Corby is innocent. I also think Australia should do something about it, and get her out of there. We are more then capable of it. Wow, just tell the Indonesians, if you don't let her go, we will halt all humanitarian aid, we will withdraw all our people cleaning up the mess that the Earthquake and big wave left in your craphole and we will halt all trade between us and you, and ban all your produce from ever making it into or being sold in Australia, or an Australian territory.

I wonder how quickly they'd have her on a plane back to here?

Indonesia is a mess really. We don't wanna p*ss them off though... how many "I'm willing to die for my religion" freaks are part of their society? So if we start pulling out our humanitarian aid, halting trade etc. and putting our backs up, then wtf do we think is going to happen... are they going to just say "Oh ok, here she is"? Nup, it's gonna be war, and WE WILL LOSE.

(As an aside... And that is why I refuse to own Bridget Jones' Diary 2. FFS what the hell kinda gaol is that, where everyone sings and speaks English???!!!)

[XA Coupsta]

Still some very blinkered opinions on the other 9 and how they should be dealt with.

But hey - thats what a message board is all about huh! A place to share opinions.

Sure they got caught red handed - but I believe the circumstances surrounding it is totally different, and people should be able to show compassion and understanding towards their plight. Cmon - how are most people going to react when in a room, ready to fly home, pics of your family and threats to kill them. Not to mention they had already been given a holiday and spending money (so they felt they 'owed' something to these kingpins). And people expect them to say 'no doing that is bad - give me a phone and i'll call the police on you lot'. Cmon.

Something else to think about on the Corby case......

That 4kg of weed that was being taken in - im not 100% sure - but is there a chance that it was hydroponically grown? And would that make it different quality/price/desirability in the Bali market? Sure everyone has said it is grown plentiful around there - in normal agricultural surroundings. I doubt there would be much hydro going around there.

Then again I dont really know - just offering a different twist on it.

[XA-Coupe]

This whole thing is Trail By Media. People are making decisions based on what crap an obviously sympathetic media is feeding them. If people think for one moment they are getting the whole story, more the fool them.

[Psycho Chicken]

Wait, you're telling us the Australian Media never give us the full story? Heretic!

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Wait, you're telling us the Australian Media never give us the full story? Heretic!

Of course not, why would they let the facts get in the way of what they consider a good story? They wouldn't. Would they? :hihi:
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Of course, in case you couldn't guess, I am being sarcastic! :
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[Steffo]

Originally Posted by bindi

Indonesia is a mess really. We don't wanna p*ss them off though... how many "I'm willing to die for my religion" freaks are part of their society? So if we start pulling out our humanitarian aid, halting trade etc. and putting our backs up, then wtf do we think is going to happen... are they going to just say "Oh ok, here she is"? Nup, it's gonna be war, and WE WILL LOSE.

(As an aside... And that is why I refuse to own Bridget Jones' Diary 2. FFS what the hell kinda gaol is that, where everyone sings and speaks English???!!!)

Indonesia wouldn't dare go to war with Australia. It may seem like they would, but they wouldn't. They don't have the necessary equipment to land masses of troops here, and they don't have the equipment to bomb us, or do any decent long range strikes. We would slaughter them in that regard.

Australia is a First World country with a stable economy... ie: it's got lots of money. Indonesia is a Third World country with a crap economy... ie: it's got no money. If we went to war, Indonesia would suffer the effects ALOT worse then Australia, and the people would be more compelled to end the war then the ones here.

So, Australia has better equipment then they do, a better trained military, and more money. So far, it's looking very one-sided.. their only advantage is having 100,000,000 more people... who, they can't get here easily anyway.

Then of course, there's Australia's allies. If they decided to go to war with Australia, hmm... UK & USA & Australia vs Indonesia. Great odds! Australia has the capability to force a country like Indonesia to give them a captive citizen back, if need be. Personally, I think they should, especially if said citizen is wrongfully accused. If I was a head of state, there is NO WAY I would ever allow a wrongfully accused/improperly prosecuted citizen of mine to be made an example of. Period.

[MITCHAY]

dont think indonesia would have the balls either. remember how australia donated money for the tsunami relief (the government alone has donated-what was it a 1 billion bucks?). they need the money and australia has been more than generous so u could safely cross out them tryin to pick us. but anyways...

i really do think that indo should hand her over. it would b a good act on their part. i think shes not guilty ( i mean seriously shes been physically sick. i dont think a good actor could pull it off.)

and if she did get eventually got found guilty i know id rather serve a prison term in australia than in indo (rather not b in jail at all-do everythn right to avoid it but hey this shit happens all the time to innocent ppl so u never know it could happen to u. bet she didnt expect it). but hopefully she will get cleared. i know if it was me and i got cleared id sue the bastards for all they got but i bet she'd just want to b back home and not go through the stress of it all.

[svo347]

Originally Posted by Steffo

their only advantage is having 100,000,000 more people... who, they can't get here easily anyway.

Why not just dress up as Fishermen.... They seem to be doin ok in terms of slipping in for time to time & then cry Asylum

[Polyal]

Yeah what we need is Kim Beasley to jump out of a helicopter just off the coast; create a wave, then get "Team Australia - Fu(k yeah!" in and bust there *****. Take some weed back with us and forget about it....lol

[5LMonty]

I reckon she's innocent!!! Anyone who is genuinely looking to smuggle 4.1kg of weed is not small a time dealer/smuggler! Therefore if they were going to the effort of trying to get it into Bali then im sure they would have it packaged a hell of alot better than just sitting in her boogie bag!! :

Plus, i care not for a justice system that is willing to send someone to the firing squad, yet will let mass murderering terrorists off with 10yrs jail (Bali bombers)... F*ck that!!!

[jjjr6]

For anyone who is not involved in the trial, or does not know 100% of the facts of the case, which I would imagine is everyone here, I don't think anyone should be saying she is guilty until she is proven. A lot of evidence has been ignored, and a lot is circumstantial, and I have no idea what half of it is, only what I've seen and heard from the media. I can't believe how some people are turning against this woman from our country - and just blatently labelling her as guilty without knowing everything there is to know.

Personally I believe she has been the unfortunate victim of an error by the real drug smugglers. There is a lot of things that just don't add up (again just from what has been published in the news) - the bags not being available in Australia, her willingness to open the bag, the footage of handlers and record of the baggage weight being 'lost', the police in Bali's unwillingness to fingerprint the bags, testimony from that fella that was in jail here who was flown over there saying that she was a victim and he knows who is involved, the availability of green over there, that her bag was put in a different room to where she was taken, etc etc......

I reckon it's a disgrace for anyone to be labelling this poor woman guilty until she has been found that way by the courts over there, especially when 99.9% of us over here DO NOT know everything there is to know about this case! It's very easy to be an armchair jury from afar isn't it?

As for the ‘Bali 9 ‘ as they have been named now, I don’t know the story with the ‘Godfather’ (how original) threatening the families etc…So I’m not gonna pass judgement on them either, ‘cause I don’t know the facts.

Not meaning to be a smart ****, but does anyone here know all the facts for either case?