Still a Street Car the AFF definition. - Page 4

prasac · 28-04-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6menace

Yeah well if i tubbed mine and fitted Funnycar size wheels and slicks i'd run 25 something seconds.....

maybe, after the tow truck put's you on the back, because you broke the diff

nugget378 · 28-04-2011, 04:48 PM

As long as your car fits your definition of a street car why care what anyone else thinks, I have a roll cage and drive it when I feel like it, including 2 hour trips each way down the coast on sundays with nice weather.. Rego'd and never had a problem with being pulled up..

TZENU · 28-04-2011, 06:22 PM

^^^^ Best post in this thread..... Nothing else needs to be said!

prasac · 28-04-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

As long as your car fits your definition of a street car why care what anyone else thinks, I have a roll cage and drive it when I feel like it, including 2 hour trips each way down the coast on sundays with nice weather.. Rego'd and never had a problem with being pulled up..

spot on 100%

GTP370 · 28-04-2011, 10:42 PM

I'm with nuggett378. The GTP as been built to enjoy on the street and the track, and there has been many compromises along the way.

Making it street legal and safe (as possible), is a big factor in my books when so much time, effort and cash goes into such a project. Therefore having an engineer oversee the project and eventually approved by the RTA is essential.

I don't think comforts should really count. Take my 69 Charger for example...forget about no air con, light steering and the loudness...try parking the bugger in a hurry! Probably not the most environmentally friendly vehicles going around either. But I've got my RTA blue slip and love driving whenever I can.

nugget378 · 29-04-2011, 10:10 AM

It's not that hard is it?

You can pick faults with any modified car if you put your mind to it, mine may have a roll cage, but it meets the noise and emmissions standards easily, how many modified post adr26 cars do?

Possibly with fuels that are impossible to buy when travelling, but I doubt it, especially with euro3 or 4 standards.

I personally dont care if they do or not, just making a point.

My roll cage sits tucked right up into the roofline and pillars, and meets all the requirements for distance from occupants and does not restrict entry or exit at all, and can hardly be seen from outside the car..

**Polyal** · 29-04-2011, 10:25 AM

Nugget do you have a build thread for your car? I know you have been around for a while but id love to know more about it.

camfraser · 29-04-2011, 11:20 AM

How hard is this??

Regardless of mods it should be:

Registered...

Roadworthy...

Engineered (if applicable).

Big deal if you drag it every so often, as long as it fits in to the above categories when you drive it on the road then why not a streeter?

If the air-con is removed to fit a cooler and it's engineered and you don't mind sweating, who cares?

Comforts are subjective anyway.

It should pass any test at any time by the authorities and be as safe as the law requires it to be.

noosacuda · 29-04-2011, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by camfraser

How hard is this??

Regardless of mods it should be:

Registered...

Roadworthy...

Engineered (if applicable).

Big deal if you drag it every so often, as long as it fits in to the above categories when you drive it on the road then why not a streeter?

If the air-con is removed to fit a cooler and it's engineered and you don't mind sweating, who cares?

Comforts are subjective anyway.

It should pass any test at any time by the authorities and be as safe as the law requires it to be.

SPOT ON! That's the answer!

**CAT600** · 29-04-2011, 03:47 PM

So hypothetically, a car that spends 95% of its time either at the drags or in the shed being worked on, that is "registered and roadworthy"... is that still considered a street car if its actually out on the road being driven like a street car for 5% of the time?

So most people can honestly say they consider a caged car a street car?.... must be an eastern states thing as its not even legal in W.A. unless its bolt-in (then its not ANDRA approved to race)

And if the car passes all RTA's on its way to the track (ie, catalytic converters, 90Dba driveby max, radial approved tyres, no 90/10's, no chute, no nos) then once at the track you have to enable all that stuff to race it.... is it still really considered a street car?

To me it sounds like a race car that's legal to drive on the road.

Daniel

**Bluepower** · 29-04-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

So hypothetically, a car that spends 95% of its time either at the drags or in the shed being worked on, that is "registered and roadworthy"... is that still considered a street car if its actually out on the road being driven like a street car for 5% of the time?

So most people can honestly say they consider a caged car a street car?.... must be an eastern states thing as its not even legal in W.A. unless its bolt-in (then its not ANDRA approved to race)

And if the car passes all RTA's on its way to the track (ie, catalytic converters, 90Dba driveby max, radial approved tyres, no 90/10's, no chute, no nos) then once at the track you have to enable all that stuff to race it.... is it still really considered a street car?

To me it sounds like a race car that's legal to drive on the road.

Daniel

^^^^^^^^hear hear

prasac · 29-04-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

To me it sounds like a race car that's legal to drive on the road.

Daniel

as said before. who cares everyone has differing opinions, what u think your car is that's all that matters.

wwwwwooooooaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh somebody help

sorry about that the car just flipped over, i'm in a mates car and he has 90/10 shocks and we just went around a corner

**CAT600** · 29-04-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by prasac

And I thought you were crazy before you flipped the car and banged your head.... maybe you need to stop going for rides in all your mates builds?

Stay safe man.

Daniel

**Bluepower** · 29-04-2011, 04:57 PM

Since we are talking about street/race cars Prasac, whats the quickest ET you have run? with you driving i mean.....

Road Games · 29-04-2011, 04:59 PM

Group hug people ...

prasac · 29-04-2011, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

And I thought you were crazy before you flipped the car and banged your head.... maybe you need to stop going for rides in all your mates builds?

Stay safe man.

Daniel

i was, every knock to the head i just get worse

was a good thread, it's good to see what other people think.

prasac · 29-04-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluepower

Since we are talking about street/race cars Prasac, whats the quickest ET you have run? with you driving i mean.....

14's mate, i'm more than happy to say. u gotta start somewhere don't ya? however, i plan to halve that ET by the end of the year

dansedgli · 29-04-2011, 05:26 PM

Its not a REAL street car until a Vicroads approved engineer signs it off.

SpoolMan · 29-04-2011, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by prasac

14's mate, i'm more than happy to say. u gotta start somewhere don't ya? however, i plan to halve that ET by the end of the year

14 to 7 wow big move, I have done a few 10's but couldn't and wouldn't think I had the experience to run a 7 or an 8, once you start going that quick and your MPH will double its a second progression at time...

Anyone who goes from 85mph strait to 170+mph you will be on a solo run if they let you race.....use both lanes...

fast gt · 29-04-2011, 05:46 PM

What about a rally car that has been inspected with the rta it can be raced and driven on the street? Does that make it a street car or race car?

prasac · 29-04-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

14 to 7 wow big move, I have done a few 10's but couldn't and wouldn't think I had the experience to run a 7 or an 8, once you start going that quick and your MPH will double its a second progression at time...

Anyone who goes from 85mph strait to 170+mph you will be on a solo run if they let you race.....use both lanes...

you do licensing passes etc first. i have heard stories about guys going from never going down the track to running 5,6,7-sec passes. not having ever gone down the track in anything fast u don't pick up any nasty habits. if a professional driver tells ya to do it like this this n this, that is how u do it because u don't know any better.

**CAT600** · 29-04-2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by prasac

14's mate, i'm more than happy to say. u gotta start somewhere don't ya? however, i plan to halve that ET by the end of the year

Wow... all BS aside, that is a big progression right there.

In all honesty the way you speak on these forums I thought you had been running 8's and 9's your whole life.

Wow, just wow.... It's a rare moment and I got nothin, almost feels like i'm 8 years old again and i've been strangling a puppy to an inch of its life... i'm startin to feel bad now.

It's not your fault you dont know what a real tough street car is, you've no appreciation for what one actually is... not built one, not pedalled one... nothin.

Daniel

prasac · 29-04-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

Wow... all BS aside, that is a big progression right there.

In all honesty the way you speak on these forums I thought you had been running 8's and 9's your whole life.

Wow, just wow.... It's a rare moment and I got nothin, almost feels like i'm 8 years old again and i've been strangling a puppy to an inch of its life... i'm startin to feel bad now.

It's not your fault you dont know what a real tough street car is, you've no appreciation for what one actually is... not built one, not pedalled one... nothin.

Daniel

have been running 8's and 9's and quicker all my life, been going to the track helping family and friends for 20 years, been helping family and friends build tough cars for the same amount of time. i know exactly what's involved and know 100% how to appreciate it. i won't take anyone's car down the strip that is not mine, if something happens there is no insurance. the street is a different story, i have driven some very tuff cars and i know noone will hesitate to offer their car up if i want to use it.

u assume just because sum1 doesn't drive a car that they don't know how to do it? u need only look at 99% of crew managers for Top Fuel, Funny Cars, Pro-Stock cars etc, how many of them do you think have gone down the track in the type of car they crew for? yet the drivers and owners risks $200k+ cars and lives in the hands of someone that has never gone down the track before. crew manager for one of the Top race teams in Australia is a 21yo kid, how much experience has he got, yet he is entrusted to help the team win championships

do you think i would spend $100k+ of my own money, building a 200mph drag car if i wasn't confident in my abilities? im crazy, but, im not insane nor am i a millionaire!

nugget378 · 29-04-2011, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

So hypothetically, a car that spends 95% of its time either at the drags or in the shed being worked on, that is "registered and roadworthy"... is that still considered a street car if its actually out on the road being driven like a street car for 5% of the time?

So most people can honestly say they consider a caged car a street car?.... must be an eastern states thing as its not even legal in W.A. unless its bolt-in (then its not ANDRA approved to race)

And if the car passes all RTA's on its way to the track (ie, catalytic converters, 90Dba driveby max, radial approved tyres, no 90/10's, no chute, no nos) then once at the track you have to enable all that stuff to race it.... is it still really considered a street car?

To me it sounds like a race car that's legal to drive on the road.

Daniel

come on Daniel, hypothetically my rear, how would you know who's car spends what percentage of its time on the road, have you installed a gps trackers on peoples rides or something?

for the record my car has been to the drag strip a total of 3 times in 4 years, to track days 2-4 times a year, meets the capacity to weight limit, does not need catalytic convertors, has a higher than 90dba limit, has radial approved tyres bla bla bla, so due to it having a cage it's not a street car to you? well thats fine by me, but I will have you know it spends by far the majority of its time on public roads.

I dont even have an andra log book, and am kicked out of wsid due to only holding a super street license, I guess I could fit drag suspension and go out and run a low 10 high 9, but frankly I CBF'd with it, I enjoy cruising it and running around at the odd track day.

I could go through yours and pick it apart "hypothetically" I guess, but I really dont care, as long as your happy with what you have, and YOU get enjoyment out of it, what else really matters..

HEMI POWER · 29-04-2011, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

Agree Chris, and while it can be said that shocks can be changed and street legal rubber bolted back on after a meet, the very fact that the car needs to be reverted to an alternate form to try and justify its legitimate Street credibility just tells me that the owner is in denial about what the car truly is in essence..... a race car.

Im in no doubt that a cage changes the definition.

I also belive that if the focus of the car is to set it up time after time to run numbers with everything that a race car has, an RTA certificate and legal underpinnings dosent make it a legit street car.... to give a good example there is a guy over here in WA with a supercharged Clubsport with a full cage, race suspension worthy of running in top level Sports Sedan, has magnesium rims on slicks, full Motec, trans and diff coolers painted up in race livery and he has the car registered as a "Golf Buggy"....... he cannot be impinged for driving it on the road he has fought it and won before.... its legal but its a freaking joke.

Daniel

If a car gets engineered and passed by the RTA it's legit.

**CAT600** · 29-04-2011, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

come on Daniel, hypothetically my rear, how would you know who's car spends what percentage of its time on the road, have you installed a gps trackers on peoples rides or something?

for the record my car has been to the drag strip a total of 3 times in 4 years, to track days 2-4 times a year, meets the capacity to weight limit, does not need catalytic convertors, has a higher than 90dba limit, has radial approved tyres bla bla bla, so due to it having a cage it's not a street car to you? well thats fine by me, but I will have you know it spends by far the majority of its time on public roads.

I dont even have an andra log book, and am kicked out of wsid due to only holding a super street license, I guess I could fit drag suspension and go out and run a low 10 high 9, but frankly I CBF'd with it, I enjoy cruising it and running around at the odd track day.

I could go through yours and pick it apart "hypothetically" I guess, but I really dont care, as long as your happy with what you have, and YOU get enjoyment out of it, what else really matters..

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Originally Posted by HEMI POWER

If a car gets engineered and passed by the RTA it's legit.

Guys,

So your believers in the legitimate 8 second daily too?..... you also believe that the fact half the car's componentry needs changing between street and track makes it a dinkum street car?

Tony if you run your car at the circuit and drags without any more than fitting an R-compound tyre compared to how it runs on the road then I commend you and know that my mentality is not far from that mark... where we differ is that a cage would certainly push my car past the definition of street car in my books, and those of several states law enforcement offices..... the latter giving a bit of credibility to me I reckon. As far as hypothetically picking apart my AU, it has an engineering report for the transplant, trans, exhaust, brakes etc and if I had a pump fuel tune I would drive my AU to the June Forum Nationals from Perth, but with over 23psi boost on a blower its not likely to tune very nice....

You can "call me out" on that if you like.

Alex, your wide assumption lacks thought, in no way can the Clubsport example I gave (and on my oath I am not hamming the story up) be legit even with its RTA clearance to run on the road.... all this proves is that the gulf between legitimacy, stretched truth and plain old "what you can get away with" somewhat resembles the Bermuda Triangle in both appearance and function.

Paulie, i'm in shock with you my old sparring partner, I still got nothing.

Daniel

Work Horse · 29-04-2011, 06:41 PM

Does it really mater ???

Get some perspective guys.

Aren't there more important things going on?

The Royal weddings about to start FFS!!!

302 XC · 29-04-2011, 06:43 PM

What time % on the road has a cars street cred got to do with it
So any car on historic or club plates then doesnt qualify as a street car ???

Last time i checked the local fuel bowser petrol was just under a buck 60 per L
To drive the daily grind, whats the average 45 mins each way to work
I doubt there would be many who could afford to run a "Street" tuff V8 every day
Then ya have the other issue , rego for a V8 in QLD is 1K a year
I bet theres many "Street" cars being parked up due to excess fuel/running costs

Not everyone can afford to spend 20-30-40k and beyond on an oldish car then afford to run them daily

As long as your happy with your car,know it will pass any test , who cares what others think
Most are jealous anyway

SteveJH · 29-04-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Work Horse

The Royal weddings about to start FFS!!!

Think i'd be feeling a bit embarressed being around those Australians who channel seven were just showing.

prasac · 29-04-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CAT600

Paulie, i'm in shock with you my old sparring partner, I still got nothing.

Daniel

what i wrote must have made good sense

yes, it's very easy for you to register that Clubsport as an ICV (individually Constructed Vehicle) pretty sure as long as it passes ADR standards and the emissions test their is nothing they can do. it's like most kit cars u will buy GT40's, Lambo's etc.

every car that is engineered goes thru exactly the same process as your car went thru Dan, some cars might run 7's, some run 11's. in the end when all is said and done the car is just as legal as your car.

some people like a smooth comfortable drive whereas others like the sound of a big rumbling V8 with an uncomfortable ride. is it a street car or race car it doesn't matter what you, i or anyone else says if the RTA approves it then its street legal, which therefore by law means it's a street car

what you do at the track is pointless, because we are talking about the street. a car doesn't have to run a 1/4 mile pass to be engineered. putting in a cage to some people is like others lowering their car and putting on 20's. i know people who's car has a roll cage but it's never done a pass down the quarter.