Falcon Sales for 2012.... Predictions ? - Page 4

prydey · 19-02-2012, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by z80

LPG must be around a dollar a litre where you are?

88L tank

jpd80 · 19-02-2012, 07:45 AM

With no large fleet orders in sight and so many EcoLPI vehicles being built as stock,
it's no wonder why Broadmeadows production is back to four day weeks next month.

I think we'll soon see a lot more advertising for EcoLPI Falcons at discount prices...

Ford was pinning a lot of hope on EcoLPI boosting sales and giving them positive data
to support the business case for the 2016 Falcon.....decision time is at hand.

Ford seems to really drag its feet and avoid the one product people really want...Diesel.

babyf6 · 19-02-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford seems to really drag its feet and avoid the one product people really want...Diesel.

Agreed. though EB4 could do wonders when it is finally released

jpd80 · 19-02-2012, 08:02 AM

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Agreed. though EB4 could do wonders when it is finally released

As Barraxr8 rightly says, EB has been delayed several times and this could be the reason
for Broadmeadows going back to four day week, EcoLPI is not selling like FoA hoped...

Well, not yet anyway and I'm not about to call it a big fail yet but it isn't selling as expected...

Nic85 · 19-02-2012, 08:59 AM

I've waited a bit to weigh in on this topic. From what I'm reading and seeing, my guess is going to be; 12 800 Falcons sold in 2012 and an announcement some time this year.

babyf6 · 19-02-2012, 09:51 AM

i have changed my prediction, i reckon that the falcon will seel around 25000 cars. The ecoboost will help it along.

z80 · 19-02-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

88L tank

2 tanks? (cylinder plus donut?)

prydey · 19-02-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by z80

2 tanks? (cylinder plus donut?)

not sure how its configured under the floor, but it is one fill point, so one tank.

prydey · 19-02-2012, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford seems to really drag its feet and avoid the one product people really want...Diesel.

do people really want it in cars other than suv/4wd though???

i've read a couple of comments on here where people say if the falcon ute had diesel they would buy one. i still think that outside of 4wd and commercial vehicles, it isn't perceived in quite the same way.

ford are struggling financially. ford US are calling the shots on which direction fordAU are required to go. i can't see them allowing ford AU to reject ecoboost (which they are pushing globally) and go their own way with a diesel large passenger car.

Brazen · 19-02-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

do people really want it in cars other than suv/4wd though???

i've read a couple of comments on here where people say if the falcon ute had diesel they would buy one. i still think that outside of 4wd and commercial vehicles, it isn't perceived in quite the same way.

ford are struggling financially. ford US are calling the shots on which direction fordAU are required to go. i can't see them allowing ford AU to reject ecoboost (which they are pushing globally) and go their own way with a diesel large passenger car.

In reality EgoBoost was just a way for Ford AU to keep the government money earmaked for local Focus under the Green Car fund. Although Im not saying that the Ecoboost is anything but a brilliant engine. I have a feeling diesel would be an easier sell on the public - people understand 'diesel' thanks to all the hard work of the other car makers. I think with Ecoboost it will have to involve educating the buying public which is expensive and time consuming. Ecoboost will also not be available in XR which is 45% of Falcons and it also wont be available in ute which is in desperate need for a shot in the arm.

Im sure if Ford AU wanted diesel Falcon and could fund it then Detroit wouldnt say no, after all they allowed diesel Territory.

jpd80 · 19-02-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

do people really want it in cars other than suv/4wd though???

i've read a couple of comments on here where people say if the falcon ute had diesel they would buy one. i still think that outside of 4wd and commercial vehicles, it isn't perceived in quite the same way.

ford are struggling financially. ford US are calling the shots on which direction fordAU are required to go. i can't see them allowing ford AU to reject ecoboost (which they are pushing globally) and go their own way with a diesel large passenger car.

With no money available for additional engines in Falcon, the chances of a Diesel Falcon are ZERO.
So letting the buyers decide whether or not they wanted a diesel Falcon was never an option...

prydey · 19-02-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Ecoboost will also not be available in XR which is 45% of Falcons and it also wont be available in ute which is in desperate need for a shot in the arm.

you are looking at it wrong. ecoboost is not about replacing existing sales. xr6 is already selling well so why touch it. by adding ecoboost to other models it has the potential to increase their sales. if you want a diesel ute, buy a ranger.

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Im sure if Ford AU wanted diesel Falcon and could fund it then Detroit wouldnt say no, after all they allowed diesel Territory.

again, territory is a suv. why do toyota not put a diesel in their camry/aurion given it sells so well in hilux and landcruiser??

prydey · 19-02-2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

With no money available for additional engines in Falcon, the chances of a Diesel Falcon are ZERO.
So letting the buyers decide whether or not they wanted a diesel Falcon was never an option...

exactly, so speculating on it and constantly critisizing ford over it does nothing for the brand except continue the negativity.

jpd80 · 19-02-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

exactly, so speculating on it and constantly critisizing ford over it does nothing for the brand except continue the negativity.

Agree.
I'll wait until February's figures before posting more about XR6 and EcoLPI sales.

prydey · 19-02-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I'll wait until February's figures before posting more about XR6 and EcoLPI sales.

you and i both know it will be more of the same. the month by month analysis on here does nothing to help either.

give the models time. ecoLPi has only been out a few months and in a very tough climate. give it time. i realise time is critical, but things don't happen overnight.

jpd80 · 19-02-2012, 08:19 PM

Time is up for Ford, they need to make a decision on the next product cycle,
what do they do?

Based on the current data?
Go with the belief that things will get better?

Fingernails bitten down to the nub.......

FPV GTHO · 19-02-2012, 08:20 PM

Toyota doesn't even have diesel in Kluger let alone their large cars. I cant recall them doing diesel in any of their regular passenger cars for that matter, only HiLux and the Landcruiser triplets come to mind. I wouldn't hold them as a true example though, they're not selling cars on the same reputation as Ford.

jpd80 · 19-02-2012, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV GTHO

Toyota doesn't even have diesel in Kluger let alone their large cars. I cant recall them doing diesel in any of their regular passenger cars for that matter, only HiLux and the Landcruiser triplets come to mind. I wouldn't hold them as a true example though, they're not selling cars on the same reputation as Ford.

Toyota has hybrids, that's their bag.....

Last time I looked, Territory was running 70-80% diesel in spite of Kluger being 100% petrol.
The beauty of TDCI was better economy, highly desired by its buyers and better price for Ford..

There is a Kluger hybrid...well in the US it's called Highlander but same thing...

We're getting way off topic here......

Joe5619 · 19-02-2012, 09:26 PM

It is sad to see EcoLpi sales not being what Ford need them to be.. Fools for leaving the market empty for 12 months. I guess the say "it is easy to keep customers than to get new ones" is true. Figures cross they get some new orders for these EcoLpi Falcon & the stock will be ready to go for a change..

prydey · 20-02-2012, 07:20 AM

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Fools for leaving the market empty for 12 months.

it was hardly intentional.

GTBenny · 20-02-2012, 07:32 AM

Has anyone seen or heard any TV or Radio advertising for the Ecolpi? Everyone I talk to who isn't a regular here hasn't even heard of it.

Benny

jpd80 · 20-02-2012, 07:32 AM

I'll be interested to see what effect lower Falcon sales has on the likes of Fiesta, Focus and Mondeo.
This time last year, those vehicles stood tall and partially compensated the loss of Falcon/Ute/terry sales.
I wonder if that same pattern will happen again, Ford has been pushing Focus in the media and
perhaps it will continue that 1500 odd sales a month....

EB# · 04-07-2012, 10:13 AM

OK...... !!
Now we are half way through the year and the Falcon sales figures
come up thus far as follows:

Jan 931
Feb 1192
Mar 1275
Apr 1009
May 1008
Jun 1431
Total: 6846

Going on these figures, and given a scenario of similar monthly sales for the
rest of the year, we could expect a possible annual sales total of just 13,700 Falcons.
This is indeed a far cry from the 'not overly loved' AU Falcon that sold
53,534 units in 2001, and certainly a long way from the peak of Falcon
sales for the BA with 73,220 sold in 2003.

So, the debate continues as to the future of the Falcon in Australia, but with
these current 2012 figures I believe it is hard to see how manufacturing can continue.
When compared to a global model car such as the Mazda 3, Focus, Modeo
or the Hilux and their sales figures all over the world, the Falcon has but one
singular market, one location of manufacture and very low sales numbers.....

Can the development costs for a new model be justified ?
Do customers want to buy a 4 cylinder car for a 6 cylinder price ?
Is the missing Falcon wagon a key factor ?
Will the trend to smaller cars continue to grow?

Anyway, I don't necessarily mean to be pessimistic but rather just offering
a few comments as I see it. Maybe Falcon can stay, maybe not ? Who knows ?
The FG seems like a great car to me, but not many people want to buy one is all.
Maybe the trick is buy one now, or hang on to the one you have and enjoy it for years
and years to come !!

Last but not least, how is your guess on the final sales figure stacking up?
Feel free to post a new guess if you like, and I'll re-visit the thread come
January 2013 to announce the winner !!

**janddbone** · 04-07-2012, 12:01 PM

I will cut mine in half to11,000, sad.

jpd80 · 04-07-2012, 12:37 PM

We keep forgetting that it's not just Falcon sales, it's Falcon sedan + Ute + Territory

Maybe with Territory increasing sales and now the dominant partner, Falcon's future is a little more secure..

And in that vein, I hope Ford begins pushing Territory a bit more, maybe a nice SR RWD for $36,990 drive away
to get a few more petrol I-6s out the door..

XRtowcar · 04-07-2012, 04:22 PM

That just Aussie numbers.
Don't forget to add the couple of dozen sold in Kiwi land.

**Fordman1** · 04-07-2012, 04:38 PM

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I will cut mine in half to11,000, sad.

I'll leave mine at 14,000

robbo/region15 · 04-07-2012, 06:39 PM

Like i said back in February,need to factor in down days @ Broady.

b0son · 04-07-2012, 10:39 PM

IMO, we'll see under 900/mth before the year is out... under 13000 for the year. I do however think Territory will have a pretty strong year.

Looks like Terri is now Ford's bread and butter.

babyf6 · 04-07-2012, 11:42 PM

Changing my prediction - what was i thinking with 25000 units. i will make it now 13500 sold