2012 Chrysler 300C Pricing and Specs Released.. - Page 4

**russellw** · 18-07-2012, 06:58 PM

Thanks for an excellent review Rodge.

One point I would make is that the resale value (certainly for the previous models) is somewhat better than their Ford or Holden equivalents.

I'd averaged around 52-54% for private sales of 60k / 3 year old FTE/FPV product (which is slightly better than Redbook rank them) while achieving just over 58% for a 4 year 75k km SRT-8 - again slightly better than Redbook. Market value at the time would have added another 4% if I'd been prepared to wait.

Total servicing costs (despite the 20" soft tyres) amounted to 6.2 cents per km against the previous GT-P which ran out to 11.3 cents per km.

Cheers
Russ

Rodge · 18-07-2012, 07:26 PM

Thanks Russ, I can only go off what I've heard in the N.Z. market and there's for example a 2011 SRT8 on trade me done 2,500 km's for the mid 50K zone from memory. That had a retail a few months ago in the 90K plus zone. I heard at times you simply couldn't get a price from a wholesaler in N.Z. and dealers didn't want to know about people looking to trade out of their Chryslers. Its a much smaller market here so sticking with a more mainstream brand can make more common-sense. Having said that I reckon with the latest model being so crammed full of technology it could be a safer resale bet especially near the start of the model cycle but still think next years model with the 8 speed ZF will be far more popular in the market in due course and resale percentages should look better, maybe 4-5/10 with the new box ??

BTW 300 Luxury is a very tempting peice of kit with the ZF already included, 90% of the SRT8's gear and using about a third less fuel and its $20,000 cheaper here too. Premium is still over $2 a litre here and I think the luxury makes a compelling case for review ion due course.

I appreciate your comment on your experience with servicing when you owned one. Its been a very interesting and long day with not much real work being done

. My loyalty to the FPV brand will be very sorely tested when SRT8's come with the 8 speed box.

Ben73 · 18-07-2012, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Copy and paste of a post I made in the SC section for those in the pub that may be interested.

Weather was dry here, salesman was a former John Andrew Ford one that I know from days gone by and I knew I could have some latitude with driving it enthusiastically, so I was locked an loaded. Here's my review, hope you guys enjoy it.

2012 CHRYSLER SRT8 DRIVE REVIEW

Cheers.

That's an interesting review. Makes me want one.

I know if I get my car serviced at Chrysler next time, I will end up sitting in a new one and will want it and I wont be happy until I get one. I really should avoid the dealership and keep my bank balance healthy.

Sounds like a great bit of kit for the price.

Rodge · 18-07-2012, 07:53 PM

Yeah there ought to be a warning label with those cars, warning, warning coming into the dealership and driving one could be an extreme hazard to your financial wellbeing

As you can tell, I really liked it.

Buntz · 19-07-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

It's good to see Chrysler has brought the 300, everyone is looking at the top gun but I think the battle will be waged
with the lower and mid range models, especially the diesels with their 7.1 l/100 km, I can see a few G6E and Calais sales going West..

It certainly strikes against the; "No one wants a large RWD saloon" argument. Chrysler bring back the 300. Infiniti soon to bring their offerings down under. Mitsubishi going to rebadge infiniti saloons. Kia just releases their own RWD saloon, and Hyundai have two of their own, and may even want a slice of this cake some day... BMW and Mercedes Benz showing no signs of letting up on Australia.

But apparently, people are walking away from large RWD saloons? I think people are just walking towards value for money.

Time for Ford exec's to stop the vacant minded "Duuuuuhhhhhhh" playing in their heads and see that there is a competitive RWD saloon market, and that they already have a capable offering looking for more markets.

Buntz · 19-07-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by russellw

Yes. Having been through the ownership cycle with the SRT8 their warranty support is worse than either of the traditional big two and the dealer service experience is considerably worse. Finally found a half way decent one but it shouldn't have been that hard.

Someone at DCA needs to learn to convert US pounds into kilos - the quoted weights on the Australian web site had better be wrong (between 2167-2341 kg) as they don't match the US specs that put them closer to 1800-1900 kg which is what I'd expect.

As they read the power to weight ratios are horrible:

300C V6 - 10.48 kg/kW
Falcon G6 LE - 8.87 kg/kW

300C SRT 8 - 6.64 kg/kW
FPV GT (315) - 5.82 kg/kW

Working on the US weights:

300C V6 (1814 kg) - 8.24 kg/kW
300C SRT8 (1983 kg) - 5.71 kg/kW

They are well equipped for the money; the styling is a matter of personal taste but I mostly like it and it will be interesting to see how the performance number stack up here.

Disappointing that the 5.7 is missing from the line up - it was nice middle ground between the SRT and base models and the 4-tiered model line up defies logic when there is very little difference between Limited and the 300C - I guess they are aimed at XR/G6 and then G6E with the Luxury.

Will be interesting to see what happens.

Cheers
Russ

Coz I'm pedantic, the base model 300 isn't sold here. Just the 300 limited. And it comes in at 1827kg.

You're welcome.

csv8 · 20-07-2012, 05:50 PM

Checked out the 300C, today,if I was in the market for a new car, the G6E and Calais wouldn't be in the picture. Specs, fit and finish are ahead of Aussie cars. Sales person said "FPV have dropped the GT price to SRT8 pricing. Just shows how over priced the FPV is !!
The 8 speed box is creamy smooth, hard to tell its a v6 up front...Ford and Holden need to lift their game in the specifications/luxury car stakes. Cooled and heated cup holders would keep my Maccas drink cold and fries hot....FORD musn't wait until 2014 to improve the G6E..Holden have the VF Next year....Game on!!!

JOESBOSS · 20-07-2012, 09:16 PM

one thing to remember here is that the USA has had these since 2010. Australia had to wait 2 years for teh RHD conversion to clear ADR's so this is not really the outcome of FIAT ownership. for one i am a mopar supporter through and through. reason i went the XR8 over a 300 is that every V8 300 had 2-3 times the km my 03 XR8 at 89000 and for $7000 more as of october 2011. only advantage i'd've had would of been the 300 would have been 2-3 years younger. but my cousin has an 09 300 hemi, when she and hubby upgrade i may put an offer in, but i woudl much rather the 300 touring wagon......hmmmmm 3hunjy waggy mine

JOESBOSS · 20-07-2012, 09:27 PM

for anyone who isn't in agreeance that the new 300c/s is a beautiful car when played with

MAGPIE · 20-07-2012, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JOESBOSS

for anyone who isn't in agreeance that the new 300c/s is a beautiful car when played with
image image

Shame about the ridiculous wheels and ride height

JOESBOSS · 21-07-2012, 01:06 AM

Its called an air bagged showcar.

Rodge · 21-07-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Checked out the 300C, today,if I was in the market for a new car, the G6E and Calais wouldn't be in the picture. Specs, fit and finish are ahead of Aussie cars. Sales person said "FPV have dropped the GT price to SRT8 pricing. Just shows how over priced the FPV is !!
The 8 speed box is creamy smooth, hard to tell its a v6 up front...Ford and Holden need to lift their game in the specifications/luxury car stakes. Cooled and heated cup holders would keep my Maccas drink cold and fries hot....FORD musn't wait until 2014 to improve the G6E..Holden have the VF Next year....Game on!!!

I tried the cup holders out with a cold can of fruit juice during my evaluation.
Perfect size for cans of drink and kept it nice and chilled. I felt this was an essential part of the test

Urban consumption for the V6 is 13.9 L/100 km's using 91 Octane with the 18 inch wheels, 14.3L/100 km's with the 20 inch hoops, 9.4L/100 km's and 9.7L/100 km's combined. Who would have thought bigger wheels could make that much difference

Urban consumption for the SRT8 is 20.4 L/100 km's and that' requires 98 Octane, right up there with another performance car's thirst that I'm familiar with

No free lunches in life, ain't that a bugger.

Bossxr8 · 21-07-2012, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Checked out the 300C, today,if I was in the market for a new car, the G6E and Calais wouldn't be in the picture. Specs, fit and finish are ahead of Aussie cars. Sales person said "FPV have dropped the GT price to SRT8 pricing. Just shows how over priced the FPV is !!
The 8 speed box is creamy smooth, hard to tell its a v6 up front...Ford and Holden need to lift their game in the specifications/luxury car stakes. Cooled and heated cup holders would keep my Maccas drink cold and fries hot....FORD musn't wait until 2014 to improve the G6E..Holden have the VF Next year....Game on!!!

Since when have FPV dropped the RRP for GT. He's full of *****.

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Originally Posted by JOESBOSS

for anyone who isn't in agreeance that the new 300c/s is a beautiful car when played with

That looks ridiculous.

mik · 22-07-2012, 12:13 AM

JOESBOSS, it looks to be a good package, and i would like one with the big V8 if money was there, but i still would`nt call it beautiful, but then i drive an AU what do i know about beauty

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JOESBOSS · 22-07-2012, 01:09 AM

And yes the car is ridiculously impractical but what showcars ar? Do it Must just be my perveyance of things out of the norm. I personally would not have done what the owner has, but I appreciate and admire what he has done.

mik · 22-07-2012, 01:40 AM

yes it looks very tuff indeed, sorry i was`nt crapping on the look of guys modded car, even though i like the car as a stock package, we all have different perspective on what looks good and not, i`m just still not really sold on the new frontal look of the car.
cheers mik.

ZH For Me · 22-07-2012, 02:32 AM

Brilliant write-up Rodge, I take my hat off to you. I must say, when I first saw the new styling of the 300C, I didn't like it one bit, however it has started to grow on me. I'd be kidding myself if I said I would go out and buy one tomorrow though, as I simply cannot afford it, but if I could... Well, I think it would be fair to say that I'd be keeping a wide berth of any Chrysler dealerships, the temptation would be far too great. Hell, the temptation is there now, and I KNOW I can't afford it.

If I was in the market for a brand new car, however, and being that I am biased to big luxo-barges, the 300C would be near to, if not at, the top of my list of cars to take for a spin. Styling seems to have the masses divided, but if you can look past it, it appears to truly be a fantastic car. The 8 speed ZF sounds like a very exciting prospect, and the interior seems to be very appealing. I'll be keeping an eye on these in the future, methinks.

Rodge · 22-07-2012, 01:29 PM

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I'll be keeping an eye on these in the future

Likewise mate. The thing that suprised me the most was the almost extraordinary mix of excellent ride comfort and good body control on the regular suspension setting. Not sure how much I'd bother using the firmer setting if I owned one, (hardly ever), but its good its there.

I'm still saking my head almost in disbelief several days later at all that technology...

MAGPIE · 22-07-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Since when have FPV dropped the RRP for GT. He's full of *****.

So this weeks email from FPV stating....

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For a limited time, this iconic GT can be yours for just $68,990 driveaway*.

isn't a price drop ?

(Serious question, I wouldn't have a clue)

Rodge · 22-07-2012, 04:00 PM

http://autos.aol.com/cars-Chrysler-3...expert-review/

Good review which goes into the suspension kit and provides an insight on track performance.

jpd80 · 22-07-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buntz93ED

It certainly strikes against the; "No one wants a large RWD saloon" argument. Chrysler bring back the 300. Infiniti soon to bring their offerings down under. Mitsubishi going to rebadge infiniti saloons. Kia just releases their own RWD saloon, and Hyundai have two of their own, and may even want a slice of this cake some day... BMW and Mercedes Benz showing no signs of letting up on Australia.

But apparently, people are walking away from large RWD saloons? I think people are just walking towards value for money.

Time for Ford exec's to stop the vacant minded "Duuuuuhhhhhhh" playing in their heads and see that there is a competitive RWD saloon market, and that they already have a capable offering looking for more markets.

Let's be reasonable here, Chrysler is pitching these offering at a much higher price and different demographic
to the regular RWD Ford / Holden buyer and by doing so, they are only appealing to a very small niche of buyers
who are prepared to put down in excess of $50,000 drive away....

The difference is that they have production lines back in the USA churning out lots
of LHD copies that improve the scales of economy, making these forays possible.

FoA and Holden struggle because they don't have that US support base for RWD any more,
so their developments are always tinged with cost cutting that spoil their great efforts.
It is maddening that Ford does not offer their diesel and a NA V8 for the mid series, this is an
area IMO, Ford must cover to enable the return of lapsed buyer wanting that affordable XR8/G8E...
and if Chrysler's success is the catalyst for that, then all the better for us Ford fans..

My two cents

(Off topic,
My hopes for a future Falcon is that Ford latch onto scales of economy with the perfect
amalgamation of global platform but having it applied as a regional RWD, unique and
hopefully desirable to Lincoln.. So come on Ford, put that virtual build technology
to work and let's see what can be done.)

nstg8a · 22-07-2012, 04:42 PM

I love that white 300, first one I've liked that wasn't black.

Love paint, the color coding, wheels, airbags the lot.

Striking looking car.

But jeez, big pics are big...

csv8 · 22-07-2012, 04:50 PM

jpd80 300Limited and 300C are under $50k drive away.The diesel and Luxury are over $50k drive away..very price competitive to Calais and G6E and better specification level, than local offerings....game on !!!

jpd80 · 22-07-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

jpd80 300Limited and 300C are under $50k drive away.The diesel and Luxury are over $50k drive away..very price competitive to Calais and G6E and better specification level, than local offerings....game on !!!

Well there you go.....
Maybe someone is sending a Big message to the locals to either sharpen their pencils or increase content.
Ford and Holden should start using better quality leather and interiors and start thinking higher spec.

Bossxr8 · 22-07-2012, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

So this weeks email from FPV stating....

isn't a price drop ?

(Serious question, I wouldn't have a clue)

For a limited time they are doing drive away deals, so what, who doesn't do that. Its not really a price drop because they haven't cut the RRP permanantly.

RRP is what about 67k?

I'd call it a price drop when they drop the regular retail price and make it permanent.

Rodge · 23-07-2012, 02:00 PM

Be great if someone with a naturally aspirated inline six powered Falcon could evaluate the Chrysler 300 Luxury and write-up a comparitive review.

csv8 · 23-07-2012, 04:53 PM

For near the same price as a Calais/G6E the 300C has these features the aussies car don't. 8 speed auto.Cooled/heated/illuminated cup holders,heated steering wheel, backlit steering wheel controls,heated/ventilated seats.Lumbar support electric adjust,,real wood, real carbon fibre SRT8. Nappa leather,automatic temperature control with auto defog, driver inter activ colour display, tyre pressure monitoring, blind spot monitoring, rear cross-path detection, front and rear park sense, audible and visual. adaptive cruise control, foward collision warning, adaptive forward lighting. Luxury adds 20" wheels, power sunshade, dual panoramic sunroof. I am not "selling" the 300C, but it just shows how povo pack our luxury cars are...Game on !!!

irish2 · 23-07-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by csv8

For near the same price as a Calais/G6E the 300C has these features the aussies car don't. 8 speed auto.Cooled/heated/illuminated cup holders,heated steering wheel, backlit steering wheel controls,heated/ventilated seats.Lumbar support electric adjust,,real wood, real carbon fibre SRT8. Nappa leather,automatic temperature control with auto defog, driver inter activ colour display, tyre pressure monitoring, blind spot monitoring, rear cross-path detection, front and rear park sense, audible and visual. adaptive cruise control, foward collision warning, adaptive forward lighting. Luxury adds 20" wheels, power sunshade, dual panoramic sunroof. I am not "selling" the 300C, but it just shows how povo pack our luxury cars are...Game on !!!

Most of that sounds like a lot of stuff just to go wrong. I live in Queensland so the heated steering and seats is useless, adaptive cruise, tyre pressure monitoring and collision avoidance just make people lazier, and the 8 speed auto seems a bit pointless.

nstg8a · 23-07-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by irish2

Most of that sounds like a lot of stuff just to go wrong. I live in Queensland so the heated steering and seats is useless, adaptive cruise, tyre pressure monitoring and collision avoidance just make people lazier, and the 8 speed auto seems a bit pointless.

People probably said the same about power windows, air con, and heated rear windows....

irish2 · 23-07-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by nstg8a

People probably said the same about power windows, air con, and heated rear windows....

Air con and heated rear windows are usefull, but power windows are a weak point in most cars.

I seriously see no need in having more than two overdrive gears, which essentially renders anything more than a 6 speed gearbox redundant. People seemingly want all the mod cons of their loungeroom within a car, so they can focus least on that which requires the most attention. Who cares if the car has actual carbon fibre, it still weighs in at 2 tonnes.