February 2013 Sales Figures - Shock as Nissan bumps Holden - Page 4

BroadyFord · 05-03-2013, 01:06 PM

Also, does anyone have figures for Camry?

JPFS1 · 05-03-2013, 01:07 PM

There's upside for Falcon, there's an issue with EcoLPi (nothing major) that's stalling deliveries.

JPFS1 · 05-03-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Also, does anyone have figures for Camry?

Just over 1400 I believe.

BroadyFord · 05-03-2013, 01:15 PM

So not a too bad month for Aussie-made!

Road_Warrior · 05-03-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Would Ford be happy with Territory significantly outselling Falcon?

Why wouldn't they be? They're not called the Falcon Motor Company. It doesn't matter a stuff if its a Falcon or a re-branded Trabant that goes down the assembly line there, its a vehicle made to order, keeping the line workers in a job and at the other end, a sale in Ford's pocket.

Smoke Pursuit · 05-03-2013, 01:28 PM

I guess the problem now is trying to balance between Falcon and Territory... If they sell 500 more Territorys a month over Falcon... what will they do with those 500 extra Falcons a month? Is some of that 500 made of up utes?

As I have said in another thread Falcon is now 5 years old. Time to bring out a 4 cylinder at the $26,990 mark XT... They need to build as many Falcons as they can sell, and they need to be very particular in what they build.

aussie muscle · 05-03-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – 2013 to date (growth over 2012 to date)
Honda – 7678 (+83.6 per cent)

wow, honda must've had a bad year in 2012.

Mad_Pom · 05-03-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

It's Tuesday - does anyone have Falcon/Territory numbers?

Just want the bandaid ripped off in a quick motion and have it over with!

Ford Escape 14
Ford Falcon 868
Ford Falcon Ute 326
Ford Fiesta 727
Ford Focus 1,266
Ford Kuga 42
Ford Mondeo 152
Ford Ranger 4X2 392
Ford Ranger 4X4 1,347
Ford Territory 1,316
Ford Transit 99
Ford Transit Bus 11
Ford Transit Heavy 31

dimka100 · 05-03-2013, 03:55 PM

Falcon Sales:

Month 2012 2013 Drop (from 2012)
January 931 778 -16.4%
February 1192 868 -27.2%
YTD 2123 1646 -22.5%

If the Falcon continues the sales drop of this magnitude all throughout this year then I think we can expect some more changes …

MrZ · 05-03-2013, 03:59 PM

I honestly can't believe that even as many as 868 people are buying a Falcon each month.

BroadyFord · 05-03-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dimka100

Falcon Sales:

Month 2012 2013 Drop (from 2012)
January 931 778 -16.4%
February 1192 868 -27.2%
YTD 2123 1646 -22.5%

If the Falcon continues the sales drop of this magnitude all throughout this year then I think we can expect some more changes …

The annual mass-sackings usually take place around June-July.

BHDOGS · 05-03-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

I honestly can't believe that even as many as 868 people are buying a Falcon each month.

yes theres still 868 clever people left in australia im sure is what you meant

MrZ · 05-03-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

yes theres still 868 clever people left in australia im sure is what you meant

Actually about 173 private buyers (20% give or take), the rest companies.

Smoke Pursuit · 05-03-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Ive got my XR6 in storage at work, and the other day I parked a Camry next to it... the Camry is massive next to it. Then parked an XTrail, even bigger again.

Its all about perception, than actual size.
'Small' SUVs are the popular thing, yet in fact they are bigger than the traditional Large car.

Need to get your measuring tape out

X Trail (current)
Width 1790
Length 4635

ED Falcon (1993)
Width 1857
Length 4811

Falcon is 67mm wider and 176mm longer. Height different story but we knew that.

dimka100 · 05-03-2013, 04:42 PM

I know what you mean, I rarely see any FG MkII falcons in the Sydney metro area, and they have been on sale well over a year now …

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Originally Posted by MrZ

I honestly can't believe that even as many as 868 people are buying a Falcon each month.

turbodewd · 05-03-2013, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Actually about 173 private buyers (20% give or take), the rest companies.

Where do lease purchases fall under? On paper my car is not owned by me, but in reality it is a private purchase, not a fleet in my view.

Auslandau · 05-03-2013, 05:31 PM

Just a small point I will throw out there ....

The figures for Falcon & Territory really need to be combined as they share so much including most of the engines which are produced here with a very trimmed level of workers to accomplish this total which is well over the 2000 units per month plus the utes. The level of workers as halved over the last 10 years to accommodate this? With a very good range of vehicles on offer that will make there way here ..... ST versions of hot hatches, an update for the AUS fleet next year, (best chance in years to trump Holden) a proper work horse brigade and now a very good 4X4 which is only hindered by supply and not lack of want ..... some of the best engines on offer today and more to come with the EcoBoost project and a very local real 7 seater people mover ........ etc

Compare it to the Commodore and Cruze and the investment that has been thrown at it. With near on double the workforce and for what I beleive to have less (especially now) Australian input and components and the amount of money being offered by govco and the amount they spend on advertising through sponsorship (V8 Supercommodre cup) Footy, TV ... etc. Decreased sales overall .... (yes, new VF will (should) pick things up .... no real SUV available and what really is a limited range of 4X4 or people movers where the sales race seem to be heading and slim pickings from GM Daewoo for some of their models ..... I think they should be a little concerned?

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Originally Posted by Greenfoam

With the kilometers we do at 3 litres per 100, it's $3,500 a year and that's easily the difference between surviving and not surviving for lots of people.

Yep ... totally understand that can be the difference but still doesn't deter people jumping on the SUV Bandwagon ..... SUV's have taken the bite out of the large car segment .... not so much the small compacts which have been popular since day dot.

By the way .... that works out well over 70,000 plus Km;s per year? Possible my maths is crap though!

That is one massive fuel bill per year overall for one car! There isn't too many out there that would do that, especially the second car taking the kiddies to footy practice. My daily has done 28,000 coming on to 3 years ... but I don't drive to far to work.

Brazen · 05-03-2013, 05:33 PM

Brilliant effort by Territory. That diesel engine has saved Ford.

An XR variant would probably make the Territory a regular top 10.

BHDOGS · 05-03-2013, 05:45 PM

From talking to Holden workers I get the sense the writings on the wall As even 10 year veterans are worried about there job.

MrZ · 05-03-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

From talking to Holden workers I get the sense the writings on the wall As even 10 year veterans are worried about there job.

Why on earth would Holden workers be worried? The next Commodore's been confirmed...

Brazen · 05-03-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

As I have said in another thread Falcon is now 5 years old. Time to bring out a 4 cylinder at the $26,990 mark XT... They need to build as many Falcons as they can sell, and they need to be very particular in what they build.

That is still more than what the rental companies buy them for. Plus once you get that customer though that door you can upsell them into a G6 or XR6. It also gives volume to the component makers and the Ford dealer service departments. Camry got to around 3300 a month with the special pricing and 0% nothing stopping Falcon at least hitting the 2000 a month mark with a lower priced XT.

Smoke Pursuit · 05-03-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

From talking to Holden workers I get the sense the writings on the wall As even 10 year veterans are worried about there job.

I think they are jumping the gun a little.

Bossxr8 · 05-03-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

There's upside for Falcon, there's an issue with EcoLPi (nothing major) that's stalling deliveries.

Supplier issue. Stopped building them in early Dec and only started again last week.

BHDOGS · 05-03-2013, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

Why on earth would Holden workers be worried? The next Commodore's been confirmed...

because why we all sit here lamenting 4 year product cycles they are thinking further ahead to there kids and mortgages Elizabeth aint exactly jobs central. Even they know once ford goes holden goes along with it which is why its mostly Holden fan boys that wish death apon the falcon not actual holden workers themselves.

JPFS1 · 05-03-2013, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Supplier issue. Stopped building them in early Dec and only started again last week.

yes I know

ivorya · 05-03-2013, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JPFS1

Ford Territory - 1316
Falcon - 868

Top 10 Best-selling Brands – 2013 to date (growth over 2012 to date)

Toyota – 29,392 (+1.7 per cent)
Mazda – 17,640 (+2.7 per cent)
Holden – 16,494 (–12.0 per cent)
Nissan – 15,460 (+33.4 per cent)
Hyundai – 14,321 (+2.8 per cent)
Ford – 14,312 (+11.9 per cent)
Mitsubishi – 10,458 (+7.5 per cent)
Volkswagen – 8024 (+7.0 per cent)
Honda – 7678 (+83.6 per cent)
Subaru – 6210 (–3.4 per cent)

Ford must be loving the growth of nearly 12% whilst their major competitor has lost 12%.

Awesome..

b0son · 05-03-2013, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

because why we all sit here lamenting 4 year product cycles they are thinking further ahead to there kids and mortgages Elizabeth aint exactly jobs central. Even they know once ford goes holden goes along with it

is this actually the case? holden would surely pickup market share with the demise of the falcon, and I doubt its particularly economical to make ever smaller quantities of components for unique models

Resurrection · 05-03-2013, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Supplier issue. Stopped building them in early Dec and only started again last week.

That is almost criminal. The best engine for the current environment and it hasn't been built for two months?

jpd80 · 05-03-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadyFord

Would Ford be happy with Territory significantly outselling Falcon?

Would you rather be selling $36,990 drive away Falcons or $45,000 Territorys

Lack of EcoLPI is hurting Falcon sedan sales, it's worth about 10-15 builds a day....

XR Martin · 05-03-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

As I have said in another thread Falcon is now 5 years old. Time to bring out a 4 cylinder at the $26,990 mark XT... They need to build as many Falcons as they can sell, and they need to be very particular in what they build.

You do realise that the Camry at full RRP, is currently sold at a loss dont you?
What makes you think that a cheaper Falcon would be profitable at all?