Car runs over 12 teenagers, kills 5! somewhere near Mildura.

[fiery]

Originally Posted by conordec

Once shock began to set in, those at the scene who were not injured began yelling at the driver of the vehicle, the witness said. "They just started blasting him," he said. "Then he ran off, leaving two young kids in the car."

What can you say.... its called shock, we weren't there and hopefully none of us will have to deal with this, it's just all very unfortunate, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.
If he was DUI, I'm sure it would be out in the press by now.
Gotta feel for the driver.
Gotta feel for them all.

Explains it a bit...
I agree with you about hopefully noone ever has to deal with a situation like this themselves.
I too feel for all that are within the circle of this situation.. its a tragic accident and no if, buts, or maybes are going to change anything. The driver is the one I guess I do feel the most for simply because he now has to live with this... what a shocking thing to try to live with. With saying that I dont mean I dont feel for the others involved and families, of course I do..
tragic.... is all that really can be said

[Simmo]

interesting delevopment. i cant believe its taken this long to get conflicting eyewitness reports.

I would not think that any one of them want to say how and why it really happened.

Why has the car got a flat tyre on the left and the right looks very low as well ,there was no gutter to pop the tyre (s)?

Many Questions that may never be answered for a long time in this tragic accident

[Dave_au]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

So if a bunch of drunk kids walk out in front of a car

In your first post you remarked the kids were on the road. Now your saying that the kids walked out onto the road. There is a difference. The theory of speed limits is that you should not travel faster than what your ability would be to stop in time to prevent an accident - that's the whole idea of corner speed advisory signs. If the kids were standing on the road before the driver approached, even though it was night, provided his headlamps were in working order, normal road safety theory would dictate he should have been able to have stopped in time.

If the kids charged at him, then I would agree with you.

[Dave_au]

Repost, excuse

[Thornie]

just an apology for my misinformation i gave yesterday.
alot of the time my fiance being in the "know" means she has "know" idea at all.

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by Dave_au

In your first post you remarked the kids were on the road. Now your saying that the kids walked out onto the road. There is a difference. The theory of speed limits is that you should not travel faster than what your ability would be to stop in time to prevent an accident - that's the whole idea of corner speed advisory signs. If the kids were standing on the road before the driver approached, even though it was night, provided his headlamps were in working order, normal road safety theory would dictate he should have been able to have stopped in time.

If the kids charged at him, then I would agree with you.

In the second post i said "IF", i didn't say they were actually on the friggin road did i.

As posted below they were standing on the road in the driver's lane. If i walk out on the road and get hit by a car im not going to ИИИИИ and winge that it's the driver's fault, yes the driver needs to do as much as possible not to hit me but if i wasn't on the road to start with it wouldn't happen period. It's clear from that ariel pic there was more than sufficent room for them to walk on the side of the road in safty so why were they on the road to start with......................

[ClevlndStemer]

Such a tragedy this is on both sides. My condolences go to the families of the victims. I feel really sorry for the driver as well. Yes he hit them and then after being allegedly confronted he bolted, but how many people wouldn't?
There is something underneath all this and me thinks that first group of teenagers are not as innocent as first assumed by many. I am not crash scene investigator but to get damage on the passenger side when the victims were on the drivers side, doesn't always indicate speed, i am going to bet he lost control due to the first group doing something. Those pics posted certainly paint a different picture of the situation.

Oh yeah whoever hosted the party needs to take some responsibility as well.

[2Fast2FuriousDude]

Maybe more education at school to teach not to hinger around roads just over hills or just around blind corners. Because no-one doesn't think that a car or truck could possibly loose control and hit them.
Like that L-Plater that lost control of her car in France last year and killed the Australian bike champion and injured her friends.
Freak accidents happen unfortunely.

Cheers,
Jim :

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

There is so much wrong with all this its makes me wonder where people leave their brains!

there has been no mention of the driver being DUI or speeding! if he was doing either , which I doubt , we will hear about it . I tend to think we would have heard it already.

Why were these kids on the road ! Its a country road. you could hear a car comming for flaming miles ! Why did they not get off the road before the car got close ? Were they drunk ? If so , where did they get alcohol? Im not saying these poor kids were in the wrong, It could just have been a very terrible ACCIDENT ! Were there adults at this party ?

The family of the driver have been threatened ! WTF ??????? Its 2006 AUSTRALIA! Not 1606 PNG! Who ever is responsible for threatening the family or the driver should be delt with serverely ! That shyte is just wrong !

Kuzmin, While I am very sorry you have lost freinds and my heart goes out to all involved , I dont think your freinds who have much experience in driving could just by the eye accurately judge the difference between 80 and 100 klms/h especially at night ! Its also very unlikely that a group of teens (and again I am not saying they were in the wrong) are more than likely not going to tell the whole story if they were doing something they shouldnt! "Some guy came around a corner doing at least 100 and just run us over then bolted " is hardly going to be the full story ! Again , my heart goes out to you all !

I realy feel that the driver is going through hell right now ! Not the jailed and facing charges kind of hell . the hell of knowing that 6 beautiful kids are gone , they have families who are going through hell themselves right now , and he was driving the car that took their lives ! I realy think we all need to wait for the police investigation to find out more of the facts than listen to the rubbish tabloids at the moment !

[Simmo]

goddamn if you don't make a lot of sense there mate.

[honer]

Yup agreed with Blue Mopar Man !!

[MAD]

Damn straight Mopar.

I have had a few people talk to me about this topic and I have reserved all comments until I hear the full story.

Judge not lest ye be judged as they say.

A perfect example of this was when an ambo was called to my neighbours place where the young kid had come home and all of a sudden passed out and died (later to be revived). Its well known that he hangs with people who are involved with drugs, so my family's immediate reaction was that he had overdosed. I reserved judgement pending further info, and it turned out he has a hereditary heart condition and is now fitted with a pace-maker. He's about 20 now.

You just never know so dont make assumptions.

[Bobman]

While this is a tragedy, all the same I've seen this type of situation, every weekend.

One time I was on Heatherton Road, two drunk blokes were playing CHICKEN with cars which I really had to slam the brakes and avoid the idiots + they were throwing bottles - absolute clowns, late at night but if they came across an older driver then what?

Every weekend I drive around the CBD, St Kilda, Dandenong etc, numerous occasions there are underage drunks staggering on the road, fighting, lying on the road (seen this a few times), and as above playing chicken with cars, I can totally understand the incident that happened, however there is more to it then what we hear on the news obviously but I wouldn't place all blame on the driver at this stage.

As for the threats to family that's ridiculous, you don't fight fire with fire.

[Charliewool]

Lots of VERY VERY long bows being drawn here?

The tragic FACT IS.. 6 poor kids, with their entire lives ahead of them, AND who are of similar age to my two are DEAD! I cannot begin to imagine how I'd cope if they were mine... I honestly can't!

[gtfpv]

well i was driving once and a drunken girl on the island of the road stepped out in front of my car trying to commit suicide . luckily i missed her and so did the cars behind me . but anything is possible . i'm glad people seem level headed with the comments on this topic.

[conordec]

Police say the driver charged with the smash that killed six teenagers and left one fighting for his life has appeared in court at least eight times since 1992 for driving while disqualified.

And it alleged his four-year-old son was sitting on his lap at the time of the crash.

As Thomas Towle faced court yesterday and grief over the Mildura tragedy turned to anger, with Towle's family saying they had received death threats, police said drugs and speeding might have been factors in the crash.

hey... i'm not writing it... it's on smh.com.au... pretty scarey, but as it's been said, it will all come out in the wash.

scarey, scarey, scarey....

http://www.smh.com.au/news/general/d...284005846.html

[HTCURRY]

yup just read it....while this incident might not have anything to do with his poor driving history...whatever symapthy he might have had from teh general community will be gone very soon.

[gozza]

dudes driving history doesn't appear to be very good......but regardless if the kids were on the road theres got to be some lesson to be learnt then just pointing fingers at the bad man

once again it comes down to parental supervision and kids thinking there older than they are.....they can't handle the drink...they don't obey road rules and they end up dead

if the driver was not in a condition to be driving the accident still may have occured even if the kids weren't on the road...but they were weren't they? ..
no question hes in the wrong but it could be all different if they obeyed common sense

[biomechanic]

I'm no forensics expert, but if you're driving along with a 4 year old on your lap and have a massive stack at 100km/h or whatever he was doing, then that boy is going to have some ИИИИing big time injuries. Has the media reported any? From what I've read, the kids were just taken to a relatives house. Sounds like a big steaming load of the proverbial to me.

[gtfpv]

I'm Starting To Feel Less Sorry For Him Now.

[conordec]

Originally Posted by gozza

dudes driving history doesn't appear to be very good......but regardless if the kids were on the road theres got to be some lesson to be learnt then just pointing fingers at the bad man

once again it comes down to parental supervision and kids thinking there older than they are.....they can't handle the drink...they don't obey road rules and they end up dead

if the driver was not in a condition to be driving the accident still may have occured even if the kids weren't on the road...but they were weren't they? ..
no question hes in the wrong but it could be all different if they obeyed common sense

the kids were on the road?
the kids were drinking?

calm down gozza and we'll wait and see.

[gozza]

man i think i may have confused my self with somones post about kids drinking on the road...if they were on the road and drinkin my comments stand...if not....well i guess they don't

[fiery]

Originally Posted by biomechanic

I'm no forensics expert, but if you're driving along with a 4 year old on your lap and have a massive stack at 100km/h or whatever he was doing, then that boy is going to have some ИИИИing big time injuries. Has the media reported any? From what I've read, the kids were just taken to a relatives house. Sounds like a big steaming load of the proverbial to me.

yes well I tend to agree with you, Im not so sure the child would have been on his father's lap.. but time will tell.
I always believe that there is 2 sides to any story.. and then there is the truth (which is generally someone in between the other 2 stories)...
Dont turn on this guy just yet people.. remember one thing, the media will twist as much as possible.. the true hard facts dont sell for media...

I have learnt just how much the media will twist things to suit themselves in recent times.. so dont just believe EVERYTHING you hear, read or see in the media... !!

[tex]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

I'm Starting To Feel Less Sorry For Him Now.

See the skid marks. Remember how the bastard ran with nary a single bit of first aid / concern demonstrated to the dead and dying.

HANG the BASTARD by his nuts, if for nothing more than to stop him from reproducing and get the opportunity to bring more kids up with his attitude / beliefes on life. Sense of responsibility, concern for the injured, where was it ??? What about the concern he showed for his kids in the back of the wagon ?

Again, the bastard ran away.................

Sympathy for him is completely inappropriate.... it was rendered inappropriate with the car door still swinging from him doing the bolt.

I personally hope his life will remain full of torment for two reasons. What occurred, and the way he reacted. May he be judged for his deed with all the facts wayed up.

If he'd reacted like ANY compassionate, sympathetic, responsible and well adjusted person, he'd have stayed to help. Regardless of the threat / whatever from any other bystanders. (That survived)

Accident ?? The skid marks, point of impact, and him taking flight would all suggest it was not just a case of kids on the road.

Burn in hell.

[Sourbastard]

Well Yeee HAW tex. Hang em high from the nearest tree, you round up the posse and ill water the horses!

So what did you do the last time you rand down 10 Kids on a highway Tex? Stopped, made them a cup of tea and rubbed their feet until they felt better?

People react differently to stress & shock, and i've seen it happen a hundred times. Some people will run, some will simply not react, some people will jump up and take charge, and some people will get hysterical.

So judge as you want, but you werent there, and you dont know exactly what happened, neither does the media, as the technical evidence has not been released. And I seriously doubt you can forecast exactly what YOU would have done in the same circumstances.

And as to the skid marks, the only ones ive seen so far are a set of burnout marks that the news keep regurgitating as skid marks. Ever done a burnout at 80kph in a clapped out car? No? Me neither. Funny about that.

[conordec]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Well Yeee HAW tex. Hang em high from the nearest tree, you round up the posse and ill water the horses!

So what did you do the last time you rand down 10 Kids on a highway Tex? Stopped, made them a cup of tea and rubbed their feet until they felt better?

People react differently to stress & shock, and i've seen it happen a hundred times. Some people will run, some will simply not react, some people will jump up and take charge, and some people will get hysterical.

So judge as you want, but you werent there, and you dont know exactly what happened, neither does the media, as the technical evidence has not been released. And I seriously doubt you can forecast exactly what YOU would have done in the same circumstances.

And as to the skid marks, the only ones ive seen so far are a set of burnout marks that the news keep regurgitating as skid marks. Ever done a burnout at 80kph in a clapped out car? No? Me neither. Funny about that.

PMSL....
well, i can't add to that comment sour....
tex... what can i say, should we call you Mr. T. Bush? LOL.

The one and only prang i had, quite serious, i litterally shoved the window of my door down, jumped out of the car, (doors both lifted, I T-boned a beetle in HQ gts monaro sorry!) pulled the passenger out, and the driver (15yo unliscensed so and so female) once cops/ambo/fire arrived, i collapsed on the side of the road in tears and yes, SHOCK!
I thought i had killed the girl, but she was only knocked out.

Who knows what happened, unless you were there is what i'm saying.

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Well Yeee HAW tex. Hang em high from the nearest tree, you round up the posse and ill water the horses!

So what did you do the last time you rand down 10 Kids on a highway Tex? Stopped, made them a cup of tea and rubbed their feet until they felt better?

People react differently to stress & shock, and i've seen it happen a hundred times. Some people will run, some will simply not react, some people will jump up and take charge, and some people will get hysterical.

So judge as you want, but you werent there, and you dont know exactly what happened, neither does the media, as the technical evidence has not been released. And I seriously doubt you can forecast exactly what YOU would have done in the same circumstances.

And as to the skid marks, the only ones ive seen so far are a set of burnout marks that the news keep regurgitating as skid marks. Ever done a burnout at 80kph in a clapped out car? No? Me neither. Funny about that.

Well that sums it up !
Except TEX Have you killed any kids latley ,I mean you must have to know the state of mind you would be in an all ,You may have stayed to help while being bashed and killed your self ,would that have helped them poor kids?

[xe351]

Originally Posted by tex

See the skid marks. Remember how the bastard ran with nary a single bit of first aid / concern demonstrated to the dead and dying.

HANG the BASTARD by his nuts, if for nothing more than to stop him from reproducing and get the opportunity to bring more kids up with his attitude / beliefes on life. Sense of responsibility, concern for the injured, where was it ??? What about the concern he showed for his kids in the back of the wagon ?

Again, the bastard ran away.................

Sympathy for him is completely inappropriate.... it was rendered inappropriate with the car door still swinging from him doing the bolt.

I personally hope his life will remain full of torment for two reasons. What occurred, and the way he reacted. May he be judged for his deed with all the facts wayed up.

If he'd reacted like ANY compassionate, sympathetic, responsible and well adjusted person, he'd have stayed to help. Regardless of the threat / whatever from any other bystanders. (That survived)

Accident ?? The skid marks, point of impact, and him taking flight would all suggest it was not just a case of kids on the road.

Burn in hell.

perhaps the dumbest comments yet? as said before you dont know what you would do, others have said the teens were threatning the guy, i can kind of understand the guy flippin out. Wait for the facts before you do the judge jury and executioner act

[2Fast2FuriousDude]

Yes and you wouldn't know the circumstances either. The driver may have stopped briefly, until the remaining kids started threatening him so he may have drove away. Like did the driver flee the state go to another state. He couldn't have hid too much. The cops got him pretty soon. Have we heard the driver's side of the story yet? You got to understand the media will always twist the story to get us suckers in so they can make more money. It won't be until the court case is in process or finished when we hear the final outcome.
Now I was in the driver's situation, and the remaing dudes were threatening me, I wouldn't stop to help either.
Now considering the driver has received death threats or his family have, what makes you think the eye witnesses who the majority were 16 year old ****ers influenced by alcohol, were making up the part about the driver not stopping. He probably attempted to stop. As he started to slow down he may have seen a big crowd approaching.
Now you have to think, if the crowd weren't going to bash him or threaten the driver's life, why didn't the witnesses say the driver momentarily stopped? Then drove off.
No the witnesseses are saying that he didn't stop at all. This to me makes their story un-authententic. I say the crowd/witnesses raced over to the car yelling threatnening abuse and the driver then took off.
Otherwise the witnesses would have said he stopped and took off, and being in guilt knowing their wrong doing. Making up the fact the driver didn't stop.
Now I am going from the fact if the driver didn't intentionally run over these kids.
If this was a pure accidental incident. The driver in shock would have least pulled over momentarily thinking geez what have I just done. (as again providing it wasn't intentional) Maybe he then in shear shock then took off or saw a big crowd running towards and thought. Geez I have a 4 year old kid with me that could be in danger. So he took off.
I doubt he would have thought while running through these kids that he better keep going just in case the remaining bash the crap out of me. He would have been too busy trying to control the car and be in shock.
But as again, if this was intentional well then this puts my theory out of the door.
I am not sure if I am making sense. But there has to be a reason for the driver not stopping and why in the first place he lost control of the car. Maybe the four year old on his lap, (if there was a kid on the lap) yanked the steering wheel. Or being the typical 4 year old kid, started to poke his Daddy in the face or eyes for the fun of it.
We won't know until the court case is in place or finished.
In this country we work on innocent until proven guilty. So I think any comments on how the driver should be punished should be seated until he is proven quilty of his actions.

Cheers,
Jim :