Melbourne Academic proposes Some Country Roads be cut to 80km/hr!!!!!!!!!! - Page 5

KiwiKilda · 12-01-2014, 10:53 AM

Time Fer ONe more Song - Olivia Newton John - is she still Hot or what
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZxNk...v4Gqns&index=1

Seen her do the National Anthem at the Melbourne Cup

JD does it BEst

http://youtu.be/PZBQjTF_Hpk

Yer know some parts of Aus are so like NZ feels like you can drive Home
Gippsland Echuca lots of other places

yer just want to chill and enjoy your drivin - I reckinn
that snowy river country driving is a must - up the alps is pretty good
Grampians

Almost heaven, West Virginia
Blue Ridge Mountains
Shenandoah River -
Life is old there
Older than the trees
Younger than the mountains
Growin' like a breeze

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

All my memories gathered 'round her
Miner's lady, stranger to blue water
Dark and dusty, painted on the sky
Misty taste of moonshine
Teardrops in my eye

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

I hear her voice
In the mornin' hour she calls me
The radio reminds me of my home far away
And drivin' down the road I get a feelin'
That I should have been home yesterday, yesterday

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads

Country Roads, take me home
To the place I belong
West Virginia, mountain momma
Take me home, country roads
Take me home, now country roads
Take me home, now country roads

ryeman · 12-01-2014, 11:35 AM

I like the most dangerous roads.....McKillop's Bridge to Wulgulmerang .......Jamieson to Licola.......Yarra Junction to Mt Baw Baw.......Bright to Bairnsdale (all 'high country)......Grand Ridge Road (Strzleckis) ....Great Ocean Road (out of season, any wx).....Grampians......King and Kiewa Valleys.

efirestorer · 12-01-2014, 12:28 PM

Yesterday travelled on some fantastically scenic roads in Woodend , Tylden and Trentham areas ( Central Victoria ) and amazed that some of them were still 100K limits. One section was very sensibly reduced to 80 K limit and another sealed but extremely rough section had a temporary 60 K limit erected by local authority. All of the roads in that area could do with a Max of 80 K or even less.

Itsme · 12-01-2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by efirestorer

Yesterday travelled on some fantastically scenic roads in Woodend , Tylden and Trentham areas ( Central Victoria ) and amazed that some of them were still 100K limits. One section was very sensibly reduced to 80 K limit and another sealed but extremely rough section had a temporary 60 K limit erected by local authority. All of the roads in that area could do with a Max of 80 K or even less.

I know the area quite well I have traveled all of those roads you mentioned, to reduce them to all to 80KPH maximum you must be kidding..... nothing to stop you traveling 80 KPH but I prefer my 100KPH in stretches & to safely overtake you.

Cheers.

Sprint · 12-01-2014, 02:08 PM

10kmh is 8 times safer than 80kmh, there now give me my 2 million dollars research monies tony abbott.

**Silver Ghia** · 12-01-2014, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by efirestorer

Yesterday travelled on some fantastically scenic roads in Woodend , Tylden and Trentham areas ( Central Victoria ) and amazed that some of them were still 100K limits. One section was very sensibly reduced to 80 K limit and another sealed but extremely rough section had a temporary 60 K limit erected by local authority. All of the roads in that area could do with a Max of 80 K or even less.

On the other hand, why don't drivers drive according to the road conditions? And drive at a speed as conditions require? But then drivers don't get taught to drive on these sort of roads these days. IMO these drivers are no safer doing 50 or 60 kph when they hit a gravel verge, then overcorrect into oncoming traffic or a tree.

No need for reducing the 100kph speed limit, but I suppose they will bring that area down soon to suit these incompetent drivers.....

Franco Cozzo · 12-01-2014, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by efirestorer

Yesterday travelled on some fantastically scenic roads in Woodend , Tylden and Trentham areas ( Central Victoria ) and amazed that some of them were still 100K limits. One section was very sensibly reduced to 80 K limit and another sealed but extremely rough section had a temporary 60 K limit erected by local authority. All of the roads in that area could do with a Max of 80 K or even less.

Welcome to my area

100km/h is fine, just drive to the conditions, just because it says 100 doesn't mean you do 100 all the time.

Part of the problem is that Macedon Ranges Council and VicRoads are both useless, and VicRoads hates one of our councilors because he sticks it to VicRoads because the CEO won't get his *** into gear and fix our roads, its taken one councilor 10 years worth of fighting with VicRoads to get the damn road fixed between Lancefield and Sunbury.

KiwiKilda · 12-01-2014, 07:10 PM

The end of this here you tube thang
is the reality of them Country Roads

http://youtu.be/bvLaTupw-hk

the reality is they is driving and texting their muma on
"twit book" seen it with me own eyes
geezer in a Landcruiser texting as he pulls onto the motorway
best err on the side a caution

That's a kiwi ad - seen them country boys in NZD getting some air
on them country roads had them spill gravel over intersections
just before the 100km/hr motorway so it aint safe to stop
had them let trees cover important signs - Crazy MF

Already save 2 cows in Victoria

mickcoz · 13-01-2014, 04:31 PM

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Hahaha....I think that's called 'profiling' isn't it?.

Ryeman what does yelrotflm actually mean?

ryeman · 13-01-2014, 06:30 PM

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Ryeman what does yelrotflm actually mean?

Volvos are not cars.

mickcoz · 13-01-2014, 06:40 PM

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Volvos are not cars.

I know Volvos are not cars, what I don't know is what does yelrotflm mean.

ryeman · 13-01-2014, 06:44 PM

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I know Volvos are not cars, what I don't know is what does yelrotflm mean.

No idea either other than rolling/laughing etc

mickcoz · 13-01-2014, 06:54 PM

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No idea either other than rolling/laughing etc

Just to run run this little off topic discussion hopefully to its end.

My better half just told me the main meaning is "rolling on the floor laughing my a.. off"

KiwiKilda · 13-01-2014, 07:20 PM

You need to review this accident Dandenong Road >
Speed limits don't mean jack sh8t to crazy people

He said the Kia driver was doing "well in excess" of the 80km/h speed limit.

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Major Collision Investigation Unit detectives are expected to interview the 29-year-old man this afternoon.

A 45-year-old man was killed as his wife watched on in horror after he was struck by a white Kia while they crossed Dandenong Rd at the Warrigal Rd intersection traffic lights in Oakleigh about 11.40pm last night.

The hatchback then went on to T-bone a silver Ford sedan, killing a man and his wife, and leaving the car's driver, believed to be their son, in a critical condition.

Another couple, family friends of those killed, travelling in the car were also injured and taken hospital.

Witnesses have told Major Collision Unit detectives the man was speeding outbound along Dandenong Rd (also known as Princes Highway).

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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/th...113-30p1a.html

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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/tri...-1226800271810

KiwiKilda · 13-01-2014, 07:25 PM

if you break the speed limit and kill someone the charge should be

M U R D E R and the penalties should be the same or higher

Life imprisonment - though the death penalty is fine by me

this is no different to getting a gun and shooting someone is it

b0son · 13-01-2014, 10:48 PM

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this is no different to getting a gun and shooting someone is it

For there to be murder, there needs to be motive...

MAD · 14-01-2014, 10:08 AM

I just drove on a new section of road in Berwick that has been upgraded from single road two-way traffic (60 zone) to dual two-lane with median strip, and now it's a 50 zone.

If they just let people go with the flow of traffic there wouldn't be so many panzies with their eyes plastered on the speedo making sure they're on 95km/h to ensure they don't get a fine when due to the inaccuracy of their speedo they're actually doing 85km/h.

mickcoz · 14-01-2014, 03:24 PM

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For there to be murder, there needs to be motive...

We've all seen news reports about horror accidents where innocent drivers or pedestrians have been seriously injured or killed by drivers exceeding the speed limit and losing control.

He chose to deliberately drive at excessive speed and allegedly run a red light. So that is deliberate intent and that equates to motive in my books.

It should be just like someone getting a gun and shooting it off in downtown any capitol city.

A shame we don't still have capitol punishment

MAD · 14-01-2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mickcoz

We've all seen news reports about horror accidents where innocent drivers or pedestrians have been seriously injured or killed by drivers exceeding the speed limit and losing control.

He chose to deliberately drive at excessive speed and allegedly run a red light. So that is deliberate intent equates to motive in my books.

It should be just like someone getting a gun and shooting it off in downtown any capitol city.

From my vague memory of laws, that is the description of manslaughter. Knowledge of possible risk, choose to do it anyway, killed somebody.

Murder is intent to kill, not to act dangerously.

mickcoz · 14-01-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MAD

From my vague memory of laws, that is the description of manslaughter. Knowledge of possible risk, choose to do it anyway, killed somebody.

Murder is intent to kill, not to act dangerously.

Letter of the law notwithstanding I can only plead a heap of poetic license on my behalf because I strongly believe he should be charged with a lot more than culpable driving resulting in death.

ryeman · 14-01-2014, 03:35 PM

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Letter of the law notwithstanding I can only plead a heap of poetic license on my behalf because I strongly believe he should be charged with a lot more than culpable driving resulting in death.

Seem to be so many on mind altering substances these days motivation is not even a factor.....they're out of control, literally!

Cuyper · 14-01-2014, 06:59 PM

Only a very few knobs drive at 100 on our single lane county roads anyway. On most of them that involve hills and unsigned turns you really can't safely drive at more than 80 anyway.

The main roads are all 80 zones now due to "rough surface" anyway. May well just stick a sign at the South Australian border which says "Welcome to Victoria, ROUGH SURFACE next 1000 km"

Itsme · 14-01-2014, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MAD

From my vague memory of laws, that is the description of manslaughter. Knowledge of possible risk, choose to do it anyway, killed somebody.

Murder is intent to kill, not to act dangerously.

Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another.

How it is done is the big question.

**Silver Ghia** · 14-01-2014, 09:44 PM

I thought the subject of this thread was about bureaucrats lowering reasonable speed limits, not morons blatantly disregarding the road rules resulting in deaths.

Itsme · 14-01-2014, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

I thought the subject of this thread was about bureaucrats lowering reasonable speed limits, not morons blatantly disregarding the road rules resulting in deaths.

Now don't be disrespectful, you have been here long enough to know we all can stray of topic at times, you included.

cheers.

NX74205 · 15-01-2014, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mickcoz

We've all seen news reports about horror accidents where innocent drivers or pedestrians have been seriously injured or killed by drivers exceeding the speed limit and losing control.

He chose to deliberately drive at excessive speed and allegedly run a red light. So that is deliberate intent and that equates to motive in my books.

Not good enough for the law. There has to be:

(a) an intent to cause the death of the person; or
(b) an intent to cause a bodily injury of such a nature as to endanger, or likely to endanger, the life of the person killed or another person; or
(c) a death cased by means of an act done in the prosecution of an unlawful purpose, which act is of such a nature as to be likely to endanger human life.

There is evidently no intent to cause the death of another person, nor any intent to cause bodily injury of such a nature as to be likely to endanger life. As for (c), there is case law which states that the "act of such a nature as to be likely to endanger human life" must be done "in the prosecution of a further purpose which is unlawful". Therefore, unless the act of dangerous driving, which caused the death in this instance, was done in the prosecution of a further unlawful purpose, it does not constitute murder.

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A shame we don't still have capitol punishment

And what of the wrongly convicted? A wise man once said, "it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer".

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Letter of the law notwithstanding I can only plead a heap of poetic license on my behalf because I strongly believe he should be charged with a lot more than culpable driving resulting in death.

I strongly believe otherwise. If he were charged with murder the defence would have a field day and the police would never be able to secure the conviction.

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Murder: The unlawful killing of one human by another.

How it is done is the big question.

Homicide is the unlawful killing of a person by another. How it's done will determine whether the charge is murder, manslaughter, dangerous driving causing death, unlawful assault causing death etc.

Trevor 57 · 15-01-2014, 06:17 AM

I have just got back a from a trip to Coffs Harbour from Victoria, there are parts of the Pacific Highway from Newcastle to Coffs that are at 80 km/h and 90 km/h, it was no biggie, the road is ****

Dauphin · 15-01-2014, 01:24 PM

We just need a police car following every car on the road, then we'll have safer roads.

mickcoz · 15-01-2014, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NX74205

And what of the wrongly convicted? A wise man once said, "it is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer".

I happen to agree, with that wise man, that the execution of one innocent can never justify re-introducing capital punishment.

But I do wish we could have capitol punishment available for the occasions when the crime is so horrific and the perpetrator so obviously guilty with absolutely no doubt of guilt. (The Anita Cobby case comes to mind)

However you look at it I still feel outraged that the driver of that vehicle may get off with some minor punishment when he's sentenced his victims and their families to life sentences.

mickcoz · 15-01-2014, 04:01 PM

While I hate the idea of some academic suggesting most country roads should have their speed limits should lowered to 80 km/hr I can see the point of lower speed limits in high accident areas or near schools or other areas that kids or lots of people might gather because some people especially in crowds or playing games just forget that there's danger near roads so its easier to lower the speed limit.

Lowering the limit speed limit might be a good idea where conditions have changed in a specific area but making a broad statement that all country roads should have their limits lowered to 80km/hr is stupid.

I'm not putting myself up as a perfect driver and I'm more than capable of driving like a maniac and will justify my behaviour, to myself, that I wasn't risking the life of anyone else when I have a clear road in front of me but even a maniac can adjust their speed to the conditions.

I believe posted speed limits are all about the speed you could do if the conditions are really good and your car is in reasonably good condition and you aren't tired or whatever. If those conditions aren't met then you should be modifying your speed downwards.

Having said all that I usually drive as close to the posted speed limit as I can and will often set my cruise control to that speed limit. But even on a clear day, in apparently perfect driving conditions, I will often lower my speed because the road is unfamiliar or I'm approaching a hill or a turn that I can't easily see beyond etc. I guess that's from experience!

I think our academic friend is trying to legislate for the lowest common denominator: inexperienced drivers and poor conditions.