Russia v Ukraine

[nstg8a]

The disinformation coming from both sides is incredible.

Putin has always been brutal, but a madman looking to start a nuclear war? I doubt it.

I notice there already talks of charging Russian officers with war crimes, where was that call when Biden ordered a drone strike on an Afghan aid worker and a car load of kids?

[T3rminator]

Peace talks in progress, started 8pm AEST. It's interesting that Belarus, a staunch ally of Russia, was able to broker the talk. The importance of keeping comms line open can't be understated. Shame to see everyone else seem being intent on feeding more ammo for a brutal drawn out war. Not sure how more weapons are going help 18 year olds who have never fired a gun before.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by zilo

i have been on that plane (or one exactly like it), it was at the Melbourne airshow one year and I was there on the trade day with Boeing. The russians took us in and showed us around.
All analogue dials, no plastics or teflon...wax cotton covered insulation in the wiring. It was full of fuel and they were all chain smoking inside, Avalon is smoke free...LOL

I was there too, sometime in 1990, but the plane was an AN-124. AFAIK, it was being used to cart bits and pieces to Antarctica and was stationed at Melbourne airport for quite some time. I know this because I could see it from my lounge room window.
I also had a Russian friend whose parents worked at the airport, and were well tied in with the Russian community and church, and through that he claimed he flew to Antarctica onboard the 124, which I heard later on crashed there.

P.S. Did you get a free Twix bar?

[zilo]

Originally Posted by marty351

I was there too, sometime in 1990, but the plane was an AN-124. AFAIK, it was being used to cart bits and pieces to Antarctica and was stationed at Melbourne airport for quite some time. I know this because I could see it from my lounge room window.
I also had a Russian friend whose parents worked at the airport, and were well tied in with the Russian community and church, and through that he claimed he flew to Antarctica onboard the 124, which I heard later on crashed there.

P.S. Did you get a free Twix bar?

Nah..it was a different year...I got a hand made model aircraft engine from Leningrad with a unique serial number...still got it.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Maybe in VicDanistan, in The GSS Ukraine led the ABC 7:30 pm and got nearly 9 minutes of coverage.

LOL...7:30 report?

this little black duck can't stand angry man hating menopausal journalists.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by zilo

i have been on that plane (or one exactly like it), it was at the Melbourne airshow one year and I was there on the trade day with Boeing. The russians took us in and showed us around.
All analogue dials, no plastics or teflon...wax cotton covered insulation in the wiring. It was full of fuel and they were all chain smoking inside, Avalon is smoke free...LOL

Only ONE ever AN225 (and it’s never been to Melbourne.. Perth once I think?)
Your referring to it’s little brother the AN124, as mentioned above I’d say..

[marty351]

I believe the AN225 was built to ferry the Russian copy of the American shuttle, with two being built, one being retired to be used as spares for the other.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Only ONE ever AN225 (and it’s never been to Melbourne.. Perth once I think?)
Your referring to it’s little brother the AN124, as mentioned above I’d say..

Yes indeed he has got it completely wrong,as he is on most things.

[Trevor 57]

It is great to wake this morning to see the all this great discussion about what is happening in Ukraine, but wait, no, we are talking about a ****ing plane - says everything about people of today

I'm out

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by zilo

LOL...7:30 report?

this little black duck can't stand angry man hating menopausal journalists.

Whoops, sorry, I did mean to type 7:00pm news bulletin, not 7:30pm.

[hackney]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Whoops, sorry, I did mean to type 7:00pm news bulletin, not 7:30pm.

It’s only ‘half an hour’! Close enough!

[FairmontGS]

Dan Murphy's, BWS to remove Russian-made products from shelves after invasion of Ukraine



Like I'm going to drink Australian vodka. To the batmobile!

Products made in Russia will be pulled off shelves at major liquor retailers Dan Murphy's and BWS after calls for boycotts from the Australian Ukrainian community.

Parent company Endeavour Group made the decision to remove drinks originating in Russia from across its retail, hotel and online businesses in response to Moscow's invasion of Ukraine and lobbying from members of the Ukrainian community.

Endeavour Group owns numerous drinks and hospitality businesses including alcohol delivery service Jimmy Brings, Cellarmasters and ALH Hotels.

Dan Murphy's and BWS are two of Australia's largest liquor retailers, with more than 1,500 stores around the country.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-...aine/100869966

[Citroënbender]

So they will propose an alternative to customers, I hope - and donate some of the profit to assisting people?

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

So which is the disinformation?

Originally Posted by nstg8a

The disinformation coming from both sides is incredible.

Putin has always been brutal, but a madman looking to start a nuclear war? I doubt it.

I notice there already talks of charging Russian officers with war crimes, where was that call when Biden ordered a drone strike on an Afghan aid worker and a car load of kids?

Whoopsie!

Claims have circulated online that images and clips from the destruction of a residential building in Chuhuiv, in eastern Ukraine, on Thursday are instead from a 2018 gas explosion in the Russian city of Magnitogorsk. Some also claimed that an image showing a bloodied woman at the scene was from 2018 or that she was a "crisis actor" - someone hired to act out scenes from an attack.

These claims - made by a variety of pro-Russia and conspiracy-themed accounts - are false.

https://www.bbc.com/news/60554910

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

It is great to wake this morning to see the all this great discussion about what is happening in Ukraine, but wait, no, we are talking about a ****ing plane - says everything about people of today

I'm out

If the Russians had instead destroyed the “one of one” GTHO Phase4s, would that have spiked your interest and been more suited to you Trev?
Geeesh you getting grumpier in your old age…

[zilo]

Originally Posted by hackney

Yes indeed he has got it completely wrong,as he is on most things.

Originally Posted by zilo

i have been on that plane (or one exactly like it), ..LOL

They all loook the same to me.

[T3rminator]

Well...according to reports, first set of conditions has been set by both sides, with further talks to be had.

Russians want:
1. Demilitarization and "denazification" of Ukraine
2. Recognition of Russian sovereignty over Crimean peninsula

Ukraine wants:
Become a member of the EU asap

Also reported is that Russian state backed media has been banned in the EU because they refused to use the word "invasion" whilst covering the events. You'd think at some stage, youtube videos, maybe even some of the ones previously posted on this thread, might start getting censored and scrubbed. A bit like Covid coverage when you think about it.

Anyone else noticed that India (and UAE) abstained from the UN vote? Interesting dynamics. I think India gets a lot of their arms from Russia.

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

It is great to wake this morning to see the all this great discussion about what is happening in Ukraine, but wait, no, we are talking about a ****ing plane - says everything about people of today

I'm out

The Mryia was a huge point of national pride for the Ukrainian people (it's in the name, afterall), and it was the official Ukraine Government media who has officially reported the destruction of it it, conveying the same sentiment.

No need to overreact.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by Itsme

You might as well close the topic as those Pesky Rusky saboteurs are in full swing here.

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

why do you want it closed? Because some people aren't mature enough to debate a catastrophe

Why should the ones that are contributing maturely be punished?

Leave the thread open and delete the posts by people who aren't being mature


This unprovoked attack on Ukraine could be the start of something much bigger and we need to talk about it - making a mockery of stuff not related is just childish, making a mockery of the invasion is just childish - this is the stuff history is made of and we need to discuss it

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

It is great to wake this morning to see the all this great discussion about what is happening in Ukraine, but wait, no, we are talking about a ****ing plane - says everything about people of today

I'm out

Trevor you questioned why I asked for this topic to be closed; now you crack the sh*ts

No pleasing you!

[FairmontGS]

The battle for Kiev. Worth a look. You'd think it would be easy to get a blow by blow account in real time of the campaign but I'm not finding much.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...ling/100869776

[hackney]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

The battle for Kiev. Worth a look. You'd think it would be easy to get a blow by blow account in real time of the campaign but I'm not finding much.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...ling/100869776

BBC world news/Sky news UK or CNN are your best bets.

[MDS69]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Anyone else noticed that India (and UAE) abstained from the UN vote? Interesting dynamics. I think India gets a lot of their arms from Russia.

I thought that was weird by India. Isn’t India involved in skirmishes with China and isn’t China currently buddy buddy with Russia.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by MDS69

I thought that was weird by India. Isn’t India involved in skirmishes with China and isn’t China currently buddy buddy with Russia.

It appears they have a very strong military trade cooperation with Russia. As a member of the QUAD, it is a very interesting scenario for the reason you pointed out.

https://www.ft.com/content/6c52b083-...3-2747c913065f

[zilo]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

The battle for Kiev. Worth a look. You'd think it would be easy to get a blow by blow account in real time of the campaign but I'm not finding much.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...ling/100869776

ABC australia si an absolute waste of time, unless you want WAFL updates...or an update on the Sydney Mardi-Gras procession.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by MDS69

I thought that was weird by India. Isn’t India involved in skirmishes with China and isn’t China currently buddy buddy with Russia.

India's Nemesis is Pakistan.
Pakistan is a US Ally.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Itsme

Trevor you questioned why I asked for this topic to be closed; now you crack the sh*ts

No pleasing you!

I pulled out due the very reason posted in my post you quoted first and I re quoted here - sorry if that offends you

[hackney]

Originally Posted by zilo

ABC australia si an absolute waste of time, unless you want WAFL updates...or an update on the Sydney Mardi-Gras procession.

In your ‘expert’ opinion.Which means zilch.

[FairmontGS]

International Olympic Committee places politics above athletes' rights to compete as it reacts to Russia-Ukraine war

The Olympic Truce — a United Nations resolution supported by an overwhelming number of nations ahead of each Olympic and Paralympic Games — has been broken by Russia three times in the last 14 years, with its invasion of Georgia during the 2008 Beijing Summer Games, Crimea during the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics and now Ukraine ahead of the Beijing Paralympic Games, which being on Friday.

The IOC raised this point overnight in announcing its recommendation that sport not only bans teams and clubs from Russia, but also cancels the ability for individuals from Russia and Belarus to play or officiate.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...pete/100871876

[Peuty]

Originally Posted by Trevor 57

I pulled out due the very reason posted in my post you quoted first and I re quoted here - sorry if that offends you

I thought you’d left. Interesting how you didn’t bother acknowledging the two posts offering suggestions as to why the An-225 is a relevant topic to this thread.

In other news, seems the World Taekwondo organisation has stripped Putin of his black belt. This might seem trivial, but martial arts is something Putin apparently takes very seriously, so it would actually be quite a blow to his personal pride I reckon.

[xkxlxm]

It seems that the defenders of Zmiinyi Island are alive and did not sacrifice themselves.