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09-06-2005, 10:38 AM | #121 | ||
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Power/Weight is an easier thing to police, although it is extremley difficult in itself. Compile a list of every car ever sold in Australia that's over whatever power/weight limit you're targeting (125kW/tonne for Victoria). That'd be a big, big, big list... lol
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09-06-2005, 10:40 AM | #122 | |||
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The people that seem to be against (from my POV) are from NSW. VIC has had a similar law (power to weight) for ages...its just a bit tougher than that.
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09-06-2005, 10:42 AM | #124 | |||
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Unfortunately a Fast and Furious attitude is happening and that includes criminal elements and anti social behaviour. Yes I support these laws. Do I think it will have any impact? Probably not, but I hope it does.
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09-06-2005, 10:45 AM | #125 | ||
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In SA we dont have any laws governing what car you can or cant drive.. Hell if i was on my P's still i could go buy a 600HP AMG Mercedes and drive if i wanted !
[sarcasm]Yet there are sooooo many V8 or Turbo P-Plater accidents [/sarcasm] The way to solve the problem is education AND enforcement! Not doing these half assed band aid approaches..
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09-06-2005, 10:55 AM | #127 | |||
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Cops are just doing there job, and most of the time the people they "pick on" have it coming anyway. If you choose to drive a car that attracts attention then be willing to handle other things that come with it. I have never bothered to look up the power/weight law; but its there for a reason. I dont even know how strict they are with it because I see heaps of P platers in cars I know damn well would be over the limit. If they get caught then the deserve everything that they get, fines, loss of licence what ever. I woudl even be happy that if a P plater had a car over the power/weight limit; and they had an accident that was proven to be there fault and killed someone; its jail time. They break the law knowingly.
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09-06-2005, 12:22 PM | #128 | ||||
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don't be a hipocrit, I highly doubt you had your EA-ED hybrid engineered for each and every modification. When you can be fined without hard proof and no avenue of recourse there is something VERY wrong. When you can rack up hundreds in fines for a car that will pass roadworthy the next day without change according to a ***** copper's subjective view, yeah they are harassing people with little reason but for the sake of being a *****. No I have NEVER recieved a defect or speeding fine, just one fine couple of years ago, failing to indicate back in - overtaking an unmarked cop car : that sucked.
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09-06-2005, 12:48 PM | #129 | ||
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Simply put basically no one needs a high performance car its something they like. I reckon if you plan on getting one you start off in a slower car and then upgrade according to your ability. The thing that causes crashes is when CONFIDENCE overturns COMPETENCE of the driver and car. I could just as easily rap my TX5 round a tree than i could my bros or mums commodore. When you know the limits of the car there is less chance. You could drive normally and some dude crashes into you or something buggers up in your car and still have the same result as hooning. You can still thrash a POS same as high per. 100km/h is the same in anycar but in all likeliness a high per car would stop quicker and handle better well that has been my experience anyways. I see way more POS in accidents than high per cars and this is IN MY EXPERIENCE. They should focus more on banning drivers. A car cannot drive itself.
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09-06-2005, 02:07 PM | #130 | |||
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I got pulled over atleast 5 times while on my P's in my previous EA which was visually modified more than my current one. It was so low I could barely get over speed humps and everytime a cop mentioned it I simply gave him a good answer and wasn't a dick about it. What needs engineering on my car? My exhaust? Thats about all that ive done that could contribute to performance, and it barely helps that. And why am I going to be fined over that? My car is nothing like a turbo/V8, sorry that was a very random post. : Looks like we are not going to agree on anything here, and Ive said what I think and no one has given a good answer as to why a new driver needs a v8/turbo. You have all your life to own a fast car; 3 years without is not going to kill you, and thats just the point.
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Don't you think it's indicitive of the attitude of those that actually drive around Sydney are the majority of those think this is a good idea, and the ones that don't drive around Sydney think it's a shocking idea? Quote:
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10-06-2005, 06:26 AM | #138 | |||
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Can you answer me why there's possibly 1 or 2 companies that will insure a Skyline to a 17yr old P plater in Sydney but just about all of them will insure a Daewoo Matiz to a 17yr old P plater? |
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10-06-2005, 07:59 AM | #139 | ||||
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That may sound harsh, but it may solve some issues that have been raised in this thread. It seems to me that there are some valid points being put forward, as well as the usual drivel. Without re-hashing 9 pages of comments, is it actually possible for someone who is affected directly by this new legislation to clearly, and concisely, tell me WHY they are inconvenienced by this? It all seems fairly pointless to me, since the majority of those in the affected demographic will buy 4 cylinders anyway. They're just ****ed off that they can't buy particular brands and models....poor baby can't have a WRX, SO WHAT!!
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10-06-2005, 09:08 AM | #140 | |||
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It just made me laugh that some one against these laws would suggest bringing in something even harsher.
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10-06-2005, 12:52 PM | #141 | |||
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Skylines are hard to insure for alot of reasons. There are alot of idiots that drive them. Its not right to say that the idiots are caused by the car itself. Theres constantly a couple of cars around that will attract alot of idiots due to their popularity. A few years ago it was the WRX and in a few years they will move on to something other than the skylines. Targeting the cars instead of the bad drivers does nothing. The other reason its hard to insure a skyline is because they are a grey import so it can be very hard to get part to repair them if they are crashed and they have alot of problems with stolen cars being imported. The insurance companis don't seem to be that concerned with the performance of a car if you compare comparable models. They would insure me with a renault clio but not with a slower mini cooper S. Theres also wasn't much difference in price between insuring an AU xr8 and a new commodore exec. |
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10-06-2005, 01:34 PM | #142 | |||
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NRMA online quote for AU XR8 to comprehensively insure agreed value of $25k in my area. 18yr old vs Me. 18yr old $10,709 Me $1,878 NRMA online quote for VZ Commodore to comprehensively insure agree value of $25k in my area. 18yr old vs Me. 18yr old $4079 Me $974 Seems a marked difference to me. |
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10-06-2005, 01:49 PM | #143 | ||
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The fact remains that there has been no evidence provided to support this move.
Show me the evidence and I will shut up. |
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10-06-2005, 02:14 PM | #144 | |||
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10-06-2005, 02:33 PM | #146 | ||
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I don't know why you guys are talking about insurance. In fact you would find that most of these cars aren't even insured as most companies will not touch P platers with Turbos or high powered cars in Sydney. And that's part of the problem with these cars on the road in the hands of P platers.
Those that do charge so much that the kids can't afford it. Buying the car is the cheap part.
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10-06-2005, 02:39 PM | #147 | ||
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That's a wildly expensive figure for an AU XR8 on NRMA's quote thingy.. where do you live.. Redfern?
I've looked up how much it would be to insure cars comprehensively on NRMA many times, an AU1 TE50 for example, in my name, 17, no previous insurer, no previous driving experience (excluding L's), comprehensive cover.. $28k (you can buy them for less)... it was something around $4500 - $5000/year. That dropped to $2900 if I'd put it on my father's name him being owner/driver and me being driver #2. $10,000 is wildly expensive.. even for NRMA. NRMA told me that a Skyline R33 GTS25t in my dad's name with me as driver #2 would be $6000/year approx, and they're FAR more expensive to insure then any Falcon.
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10-06-2005, 03:02 PM | #149 | |||
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I had noted initially in my argument that one of the associated problems of P platers in turbo's and V8's is that they're not insured and very few companies are willing to insure them. |
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Annual Amount $11,596.29 Monthly Instalment $977.72 Monthly instalments will total $11,732.64 over 12 months, which is $136.29 more than the annual payment option. The instalment amount may vary slightly each month. All amounts displayed include GST and Stamp Duty/Tax. Excesses may apply.** Vehicle 2002 Ford Te50 Falcon Sedan 5.6 Litres Agreed Value including modifications: $28,000 Discounts Optional Cover Based on the information you have provided, your No Claim Discount would be 0% Hire car - No Choice of repairer - No Windscreen option - No No Claim Discount protection - No |
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